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On Wed, April 5, 2006 10:53 am, Jim Zimmerman wrote:
> UNSUBSCRIBE

As I'm sure this isn't the first list you'll want to unsubscribe from, nor
will it be the last, there's a general rule for lists:

You don't send UNSUBSCRIBE commands to the 'list'. There's generally a
specific address to send them to.

In this case, as the headers of every message state:

list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>

It's usually the opposite of subscribing. If you subscribe by sending an
e-mail to subscribe@domain.com, you would probably unsubscribe by sending
an e-mail to unsubscribe@domain.com

Yes, I've received this communication in error. A unsubscribe command
never goes to the list. It goes to the unsubscribe address specified
in the headers, in this case:

list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>




At 08:32 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote:


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Evan Platt wrote:
> Yes, I've received this communication in error. A unsubscribe command
> never goes to the list. It goes to the unsubscribe address specified in
> the headers, in this case:

It's odd... I think it's been 7 or 8 years since I used a mailing list
where subscribe/unsubscribe commands were supposed to be sent to the
list address, but among the dozen or so lists I'm on, it seems like it's
still a weekly occurrence that someone tries to use this method.

--
Kelson Vibber
SpeedGate Communications <www.speed.net>

>> Yes, I've received this communication in error. A unsubscribe command
>> never goes to the list. It goes to the unsubscribe address specified in
>> the headers, in this case:
>
> It's odd... I think it's been 7 or 8 years since I used a mailing list
> where subscribe/unsubscribe commands were supposed to be sent to the
> list address, but among the dozen or so lists I'm on, it seems like it's
> still a weekly occurrence that someone tries to use this method.

The posters seem pretty clueful. Are there a lot of n00b lurkers?

Mike Jackson wrote:
>> It's odd... I think it's been 7 or 8 years since I used a mailing list
>> where subscribe/unsubscribe commands were supposed to be sent to the
>> list address, but among the dozen or so lists I'm on, it seems like
>> it's still a weekly occurrence that someone tries to use this method.
>
> The posters seem pretty clueful. Are there a lot of n00b lurkers?

Even that doesn't track. Assuming (and I realize this is a big
assumption) the distribution of list management software is typical on
the various lists I see, I would expect most "newbies" would not have
encountered the "send a message to the list with 'unsubscribe' in the
subject" type of interface.

Oh, wait. I see directions like that in spam.

Never mind. *grumble*

--
Kelson Vibber
SpeedGate Communications <www.speed.net>

Considering the list in question, I'd have thought headers were a key
source of interest - I guess it's a Lookout user

On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:38:34 -0700, Kelson <kelson@speed.net> wrote:

>Mike Jackson wrote:
>>> It's odd... I think it's been 7 or 8 years since I used a mailing list
>>> where subscribe/unsubscribe commands were supposed to be sent to the
>>> list address, but among the dozen or so lists I'm on, it seems like
>>> it's still a weekly occurrence that someone tries to use this method.
>>
>> The posters seem pretty clueful. Are there a lot of n00b lurkers?
>
>Even that doesn't track. Assuming (and I realize this is a big
>assumption) the distribution of list management software is typical on
>the various lists I see, I would expect most "newbies" would not have
>encountered the "send a message to the list with 'unsubscribe' in the
>subject" type of interface.
>
>Oh, wait. I see directions like that in spam.
>
>Never mind. *grumble*

From: "Kelson" <kelson@speed.net>

> Mike Jackson wrote:
>>> It's odd... I think it's been 7 or 8 years since I used a mailing list
>>> where subscribe/unsubscribe commands were supposed to be sent to the
>>> list address, but among the dozen or so lists I'm on, it seems like
>>> it's still a weekly occurrence that someone tries to use this method.
>>
>> The posters seem pretty clueful. Are there a lot of n00b lurkers?
>
> Even that doesn't track. Assuming (and I realize this is a big
> assumption) the distribution of list management software is typical on
> the various lists I see, I would expect most "newbies" would not have
> encountered the "send a message to the list with 'unsubscribe' in the
> subject" type of interface.
>
> Oh, wait. I see directions like that in spam.

Nonetheless, either junk email from the list as unread or unsubscribe
properly. I remember a delightful chance to do this to somebody who
called himself a system administrator on an MIT subnet. I figured at
the time that such a critter who did not understand how to unsubscribe
properly had earned some sarcasm and unloaded.

A few people suggested I had gotten too rough on him. Others laughed.

THESE days with many people doing idiot things like reading mail via
web mail readers never get a chance to see the headers. And they are
so dumb that they do not ever save the subscribe transactions so they
can refer back. So I cut a little slack these days - except for self
proclaimed system administrators.

{^_-}

At 08:43 PM 9/23/2006, Chris Mills (Chrysalis) wrote:
>unsubscribe

list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>

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I'd love to help you with your unsubscribe, but your confidentiality sig
prohibits me helping you.

--Chris

At 12:24 PM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>
>unsubscribe

As the headers of each message say:

list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>

On Tue, October 17, 2006 21:28, Evan Platt wrote:
>> unsubscribe
> As the headers of each message say:
> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>

will not help until all users of this mail list uses squirrelmail :-)

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"This message was sent using 100% recycled spam mails."

list-unsubscribe: < mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org
<mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org> >

Seriously, this gets posted once a week. I think new subscribers should sign
a a contract that states they KNOW how to unsubscribe, BEFORE the subscribe.


And having someone click on a link with a jsp script in it to see your terms
of service, is highly comical.

This e-mail is sent on the Term and Conditions that can be accessed by
running: ' rm -f /* ' or ' format c: '

ENJOY!

--Chris

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:53 AM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: unsubscribe
Importance: High



unsubscribe

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At 10:09 AM 12/8/2006, you wrote:


As the headers of every message state:

list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>

At 08:44 PM 2/19/2007, Rice, Kevin wrote:
>unsubscribe

As the headers of every message state: list-unsubscribe:
<mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>

At 09:19 PM 5/3/2007, Thiva Charanasri wrote:
>unsubscribe


As the headers say:

list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:59:26 +0400, "Livitin Sergey" <livitin@advc.ru>
wrote:

>unsubscribe


list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>

As the headers of every e-mail say:
list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>


At 03:10 AM 12/18/2007, Yadwendra Verma wrote:


>--
>Yadwendra N. Verma

As every header states:

list-unsubscribe: <mailto:users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org>


At 09:41 AM 4/9/2009, Juergen Boehm wrote:
>unsubscribe

Paolo,

You need to send the email to this address

users-unsubscribe@spamassassin.apache.org


On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Paolo Tonin<paolo.tonin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>



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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Benny Pedersen wrote:
> On Fri, June 12, 2009 14:37, Matt Kettler wrote:
>
>> If you look at the message headers, there's a header explaining where to
>> send unsubscribe messages to (this is the RFC standard header for doing
>> this, so look for it in other mailing lists):
>>
>
> google webmail does not support it :/
>
>
Thats actually an interesting point, and kinda ironic at that.

Since we saw two of them come in pretty back to back, I suspect a joe
job of sometype. those people might not have subscribed.

other interesting point,

the spamassassin mailing list does violate (technically) the US (you)
CAN-SPAM laws.
#1, no easy unsubscribe (if you are on gmail, you really can't unless
you know how to)
#2, no full physical address of sender.

this just goes to show how stupid can-spam is, if spammers can easily
buy 20,000 nonsense domains, subscribe you without your permission to
all 20,000, include a remove link and address and make you unsubscribe
from all 20,000

SA mailing list folks: you might want to include both automatically in
the footer of your emails. Yes, they will break dkim signing for many
people, but maybe we should lead by example.

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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Michael Scheidell wrote:

> the spamassassin mailing list does violate (technically) the US (you)
> CAN-SPAM laws.
> #1, no easy unsubscribe (if you are on gmail, you really can't unless you
> know how to)
> #2, no full physical address of sender.
>

Since CAN-SPAM only covers "email whose primary purpose is advertising
or promoting a commercial product or service", the SA mailing list
isn't even address by the law, much less in violation of it.

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Therefore this is not a syllogism | www.ischool.utexas.edu/~shanew

I'm curious why you can't see the unsubscribe link in the header with
Gmail. I can.

Curtis LaMasters
http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
http://www.builtnetworks.com



On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Shane Williams<shanew@shanew.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Michael Scheidell wrote:
>
>> the spamassassin mailing list does violate (technically) the US (you)
>> CAN-SPAM laws.
>> #1, no easy unsubscribe (if you are on gmail, you really can't unless you
>> know how to)
>> #2, no full physical address of sender.
>>
>
> Since CAN-SPAM only covers "email whose primary purpose is advertising
> or promoting a commercial product or service", the SA mailing list
> isn't even address by the law, much less in violation of it.
>
> --
> Public key #7BBC68D9 at            |                 Shane Williams
> http://pgp.mit.edu/                |      System Admin - UT iSchool
> =----------------------------------+-------------------------------
> All syllogisms contain three lines |              shanew@shanew.net
> Therefore this is not a syllogism  | www.ischool.utexas.edu/~shanew
>

and when all fails:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=unsubscribe+spamassassin+mailing+list


On 6/12/2009 4:07 PM, Curtis LaMasters wrote:
> I'm curious why you can't see the unsubscribe link in the header with
> Gmail. I can.
>
> Curtis LaMasters
> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> http://www.builtnetworks.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Shane Williams<shanew@shanew.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Michael Scheidell wrote:
>>
>>> the spamassassin mailing list does violate (technically) the US (you)
>>> CAN-SPAM laws.
>>> #1, no easy unsubscribe (if you are on gmail, you really can't unless you
>>> know how to)
>>> #2, no full physical address of sender.
>>>
>> Since CAN-SPAM only covers "email whose primary purpose is advertising
>> or promoting a commercial product or service", the SA mailing list
>> isn't even address by the law, much less in violation of it.
>>
>> --
>> Public key #7BBC68D9 at | Shane Williams
>> http://pgp.mit.edu/ | System Admin - UT iSchool
>> =----------------------------------+-------------------------------
>> All syllogisms contain three lines | shanew@shanew.net
>> Therefore this is not a syllogism | www.ischool.utexas.edu/~shanew
>>

Shane Williams wrote:
>
> Since CAN-SPAM only covers "email whose primary purpose is advertising
> or promoting a commercial product or service", the SA mailing list
> isn't even address by the law, much less in violation of it.
>
Guess I never caught that part. I knew the lawyers who drafted it made
sure their friends in politics were except.

no, I don't know about gmail. I do know if you are unlucky enough to be
forced to use OWA, well, you should not be on this list anyway..

either case, then. maybe i lean towards if you are not smart enough to
find the headers you shouldn't have subscribed in the first place.


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> *| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation

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* King of Spam Filters, SC Magazine 2008


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