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Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>
> http://www.modscape.com/zope
>
> 03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a download
> page. Click on "Download Zope" under "Download" in the nav.
>
> Thanks for all of the comments. Keep 'em coming. A couple of people had
> mentioned the background was a bit dark so I've lightened it. It seems
> though that people are pretty happy with the general look and feel of
> the layout. I'd like to start drilling down into content at this point
> and this where I'll really need people's feedback, especially
> editorially. I want to try and keep the content simple and not make the
> assumption that visitors know what Zope is and what it does.
>
> I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site
> like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on
> Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for
> questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing
> list. It would be nice to have that option.
> http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

I'm -1 to almost all you say in this post, but i will stay quiet for a
week and wait for others feedback.

We have got #zope-web in IRC to discuss open questions.

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On 3/23/06, Tom Von Lahndorff <tom@modscape.com> wrote:
> I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the
> site like Apple's support boards.

I don't want both mailing lists and forums unless they can be integrated.

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> I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the
> site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions
> answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice
> one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want
> to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option.
> http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

- -1 on Forums. There is no good forum software around for Zope which
is fast and won't bog down the server, and it introduces a big
software maintenance/editorial burden.

jens

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Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>
> http://www.modscape.com/zope
>
> 03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a download
> page. Click on "Download Zope" under "Download" in the nav.

I don't like the big digits for "2" and "3", makes those images look
really garish.

On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.

Like everything else :-)

> I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site
> like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on
> Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for
> questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing
> list. It would be nice to have that option.
> http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

No, forums or mailing lists, not both.

Mailing lists are already there, so forums suck ;-)

A decent list of the lists available would rock, as would nice
searchable archives. However, google and gmane take care of the latter
requirement, which is hard to implement...

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fair enough. It was just a thought to have boards but these comments
make 100% sense. nevermind! :)

On Mar 23, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

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>> I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the
>> site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions
>> answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice
>> one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want
>> to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option.
>> http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa
>
> - -1 on Forums. There is no good forum software around for Zope
> which is fast and won't bog down the server, and it introduces a
> big software maintenance/editorial burden.
>
> jens
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On Mar 23, 2006, at 5:24 AM, Chris Withers wrote:

> Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>> http://www.modscape.com/zope
>> 03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a
>> download page. Click on "Download Zope" under "Download" in the nav.
>
> I don't like the big digits for "2" and "3", makes those images
> look really garish.

Looking at it fresh again this morning, they do seem kind of loud.
I'll work on that.

>
> On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.

Really? I thought most people want to push Zope 3. Shouldn't the
latest release be listed first? I really don't care on way or the
other, just curious.

>
> Like everything else :-)
>
>> I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the
>> site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions
>> answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice
>> one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want
>> to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option.
>> http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa
>
> No, forums or mailing lists, not both.
>
> Mailing lists are already there, so forums suck ;-)
>
> A decent list of the lists available would rock, as would nice
> searchable archives. However, google and gmane take care of the
> latter requirement, which is hard to implement...

Yeah, seems like no one likes the idea of message boards. My thinking
was just that when I search for information I always go to Google
before I'd ever search Zope.org. Most of the time the info comes from
mailing list threads posted online. It just seems like there's all of
this valuable chatter that goes on about Zope that never gets to the
Zope.org site.

>
> Chris
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Hi,

here some feedback including personal opinion:

- On my System (ubuntu dapper) there is neither Arial nor Helvetica
available in Firefox, thus the fonts look ugly (see screenshot[1]).

Could you please add sans-serif at the end of the font list, or
insert "Bitstream Vera Sans" for GNOME users?

- The Zope logo is sized to 149 * 60 px while the real image size is
150 * 60 px. This causes a little distortion in the Z of the logo
(see screenshot[1]).

- The label of the form fields shouldn't be in the value of the inputs.
This is bad bad practice IMHO.

- I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to
mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]).

- I'm not sure what the the leaves in the header want to communicate.
If they are just decoration they should be replaced by something more
abstract, I think.


[1] Screenshot:
<https://webproducer.at/z3/tmp/modscape-z3-mockup-v3.png>

[2] Article about "Usability and Fly-Out Menus":
<http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archive/2004/03/usability-and-flyout-menus>


Thanks for the work!

Tonico



Tom Von Lahndorff schrieb:
>
> http://www.modscape.com/zope
>
> 03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a download
> page. Click on "Download Zope" under "Download" in the nav.
>
> Thanks for all of the comments. Keep 'em coming. A couple of people had
> mentioned the background was a bit dark so I've lightened it. It seems
> though that people are pretty happy with the general look and feel of
> the layout. I'd like to start drilling down into content at this point
> and this where I'll really need people's feedback, especially
> editorially. I want to try and keep the content simple and not make the
> assumption that visitors know what Zope is and what it does.
>
> I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site
> like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on
> Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for
> questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing
> list. It would be nice to have that option.
> http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa
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On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 10:06:24AM +0000, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
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| >I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the
| >site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions
| >answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice
| >one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want
| >to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option.
| >http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa
|
| - -1 on Forums. There is no good forum software around for Zope which
| is fast and won't bog down the server, and it introduces a big
| software maintenance/editorial burden.

What about that thing that is used for comments on sqlobject.org (and
python.org too I hear?) that sends comments to SVN? 'commentary' I
think it's called.

http://blog.ianbicking.org/python-doc-comments.html
http://blog.ianbicking.org/doc-comments.html
http://pythonpaste.org/comment/commentary/

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>
> - On my System (ubuntu dapper) there is neither Arial nor Helvetica
> available in Firefox, thus the fonts look ugly (see screenshot[1]).
>
> Could you please add sans-serif at the end of the font list, or
> insert "Bitstream Vera Sans" for GNOME users?

Will do. I have Ubuntu at home as well, just hadn't looked at it yet.
The screenshot actually doesn't look *that* bad. :)

>
> - The Zope logo is sized to 149 * 60 px while the real image size is
> 150 * 60 px. This causes a little distortion in the Z of the logo
> (see screenshot[1]).

Will fix. Hadn't noticed that. Thanks for the heads up.

>
> - The label of the form fields shouldn't be in the value of the
> inputs.
> This is bad bad practice IMHO.

There's a simple script to clear the field onFocus. Does it not work
for you? I'm using it to conserve space.

>
> - I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to
> mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]).

See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty much sums up my
rationale and implementation.

>
> - I'm not sure what the the leaves in the header want to communicate.
> If they are just decoration they should be replaced by something
> more
> abstract, I think.

Zope Zen. When I started using Zope about 6 years ago the term was
used a bit and I thought it was very appropriate. It described well
the Eureka moments when you realize Zope's smartness and elegance.
There's something organic that I find about Zope as well, like
working with it just feels natural. The photo was one I took and I
think it's just nice and peaceful. I wanted to convey that feeling
rather than some overbloated M$ or AOL marketing blitz madness like a
bunch of people gathered around a Dell with wine glasses laughing and
the tagline "makes your life 20x more fun!" or something too abstract
and cryptic that makes people think "what the f is this product?".

>
>
> [1] Screenshot:
> <https://webproducer.at/z3/tmp/modscape-z3-mockup-v3.png>
>
> [2] Article about "Usability and Fly-Out Menus":
> <http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archive/2004/03/usability-and-
> flyout-menus>
>
>
> Thanks for the work!
>
> Tonico
>
>
>
> Tom Von Lahndorff schrieb:
>> http://www.modscape.com/zope
>> 03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a
>> download page. Click on "Download Zope" under "Download" in the nav.
>> Thanks for all of the comments. Keep 'em coming. A couple of
>> people had mentioned the background was a bit dark so I've
>> lightened it. It seems though that people are pretty happy with
>> the general look and feel of the layout. I'd like to start
>> drilling down into content at this point and this where I'll
>> really need people's feedback, especially editorially. I want to
>> try and keep the content simple and not make the assumption that
>> visitors know what Zope is and what it does.
>> I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the
>> site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions
>> answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice
>> one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want
>> to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option.
>> http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa
>> _______________________________________________
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Tom Von Lahndorff schrieb:
>> - The label of the form fields shouldn't be in the value of the inputs.
>> This is bad bad practice IMHO.
>
> There's a simple script to clear the field onFocus. Does it not work for
> you? I'm using it to conserve space.

I just don't like it this way. The script works fine.

>> - I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to
>> mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]).
>
> See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty much sums up my
> rationale and implementation.

Still not convinced, but that's just me. We don't have such a deep
structure or information density, I would simply put a context
navigation on the left (or right) for each section but not on the
homepage, like on this two pages:

<http://www.mozilla.org/support/>
<http://www.mozilla.org/about/>

Very simple.


Tonico

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>>> - I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to
>>> mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]).
>>
>> See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty much sums up my
>> rationale and implementation.
>
> Still not convinced, but that's just me. We don't have such a deep
> structure or information density, I would simply put a context navigation
> on the left (or right) for each section but not on the homepage, like on
> this two pages:
>
> <http://www.mozilla.org/support/>
> <http://www.mozilla.org/about/>
>
> Very simple.

Not really. Just the opposite actually, confusing. My design is certainly
more "simple" than mozilla's. Inconsistent page layout. I like sites that
have a consistent layout throughout, including the homepage. It's confusing
when the navigation changes on a page by page basis. In my case there's no
scheme that the user has to *get*.

>
>
> Tonico
>
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Tom Von Lahndorff schrieb:
>
>>>> - I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to
>>>> mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]).
>>>
>>> See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty much sums up my
>>> rationale and implementation.
>>
>> Still not convinced, but that's just me. We don't have such a deep
>> structure or information density, I would simply put a context
>> navigation on the left (or right) for each section but not on the
>> homepage, like on this two pages:
>>
>> <http://www.mozilla.org/support/>
>> <http://www.mozilla.org/about/>
>>
>> Very simple.
>
> Not really. Just the opposite actually, confusing. My design is
> certainly more "simple" than mozilla's. Inconsistent page layout. I like
> sites that have a consistent layout throughout, including the homepage.
> It's confusing when the navigation changes on a page by page basis. In
> my case there's no scheme that the user has to *get*.

I agree that the consistency is a hight priority (nevertheless I find
mozilla.org pretty user friendly).

I also think a *visible* 2nd level navigation is very important for
orientation. Maybe we agree on the basic question of a random visitor on
a Web site:

A) Where am I?

B) Where do I come from (or how did I come here)?

C) Where can I go from here?

To answer B the page must either have a navigation system in which the
context is obvious, or at least a breadcrumb navigation trail.

If you have a visible 2nd (and maybe 3rd) level navigation the fly out
menus become redundant. Note: I'm not saying that the navigation must
change on different sections or that the fly out menus must be disabled
to achieve this.

Tonico

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>>>>> - I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to
>>>>> mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce
>>>>> [2]).
>>>>
>>>> See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty much sums
>>>> up my rationale and implementation.
>>>
>>> Still not convinced, but that's just me. We don't have such a
>>> deep structure or information density, I would simply put a
>>> context navigation on the left (or right) for each section but
>>> not on the homepage, like on this two pages:
>>>
>>> <http://www.mozilla.org/support/>
>>> <http://www.mozilla.org/about/>
>>>
>>> Very simple.
>> Not really. Just the opposite actually, confusing. My design is
>> certainly more "simple" than mozilla's. Inconsistent page layout.
>> I like sites that have a consistent layout throughout, including
>> the homepage. It's confusing when the navigation changes on a page
>> by page basis. In my case there's no scheme that the user has to
>> *get*.
>
> I agree that the consistency is a hight priority (nevertheless I
> find mozilla.org pretty user friendly).
>
> I also think a *visible* 2nd level navigation is very important for
> orientation. Maybe we agree on the basic question of a random
> visitor on a Web site:
>
> A) Where am I?
>
> B) Where do I come from (or how did I come here)?
>
> C) Where can I go from here?
>
> To answer B the page must either have a navigation system in which
> the context is obvious, or at least a breadcrumb navigation trail.
>
> If you have a visible 2nd (and maybe 3rd) level navigation the fly
> out menus become redundant. Note: I'm not saying that the
> navigation must change on different sections or that the fly out
> menus must be disabled to achieve this.
>
> Tonico

I was actually thinking about the idea of having breadcrumbs. I think
that may be a good solution that satisfies consistency and keeps the
clutter down. I agree that B is very important since I'd imagine that
a lot of user will come from search results pages. Does anyone have
any numbers on where people come from and navigate to on the current
zope.org site?

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Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>
>> On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.
>
> Really? I thought most people want to push Zope 3. Shouldn't the latest
> release be listed first? I really don't care on way or the other, just
> curious.

Zope 2 is the more stable, tested release. I don't care what people want
to "push", end users should get hinted towards the most stable release ;-)

> Yeah, seems like no one likes the idea of message boards. My thinking
> was just that when I search for information I always go to Google before
> I'd ever search Zope.org.

Why is that a problem?

> list threads posted online. It just seems like there's all of this
> valuable chatter that goes on about Zope that never gets to the Zope.org

Why should it be on zope.org?

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On 3/25/06, Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
> Zope 2 is the more stable, tested release. I don't care what people want
> to "push", end users should get hinted towards the most stable release ;-)

Although I don't agree about stable, the fact is that most people
downloading Zope needs Zope2, for the time being.

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On Mar 24, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Chris Withers wrote:

> Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>>> On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.
>> Really? I thought most people want to push Zope 3. Shouldn't the
>> latest release be listed first? I really don't care on way or the
>> other, just curious.
>
> Zope 2 is the more stable, tested release. I don't care what people
> want to "push", end users should get hinted towards the most stable
> release ;-)
>
>> Yeah, seems like no one likes the idea of message boards. My
>> thinking was just that when I search for information I always go
>> to Google before I'd ever search Zope.org.
>
> Why is that a problem?

Its not. Its a lot easier to find answers to my questions though at
the Apple's support discussion boards, when I have an Apple issue,
rather than searching Google because I'm searching through very
specific content, not the web in general and therefore get more
accurate results and a faster resolution.

>
>> list threads posted online. It just seems like there's all of this
>> valuable chatter that goes on about Zope that never gets to the
>> Zope.org
>
> Why should it be on zope.org?

Um, because it's useful information about Zope, which is sort of what
Zope.org is about? "The Web Site for the Zope Community" (...who are
currently discussing Zope at various other places on the web). Thanks
for visiting. :)

>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
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http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html

Added a products page. Linked from the nav.
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Added a products page. Linked from the nav.
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Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>
> http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html
>
> Added a products page. Linked from the nav.

Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this design?

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Chris Withers wrote:
> Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>>
>> http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html
>>
>> Added a products page. Linked from the nav.
>
> Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
> replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this
design?
>

I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in
zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not
comment on that.

Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make
some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on
non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current
stylesheet, ...

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Chris Withers wrote:
> Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>>
>> http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html
>>
>> Added a products page. Linked from the nav.
>
> Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
> replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this
design?
>

I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in
zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not
comment on that.

Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make
some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on
non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current
stylesheet, ...

Michael

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On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:06 AM, Michael Haubenwallner wrote:

> Chris Withers wrote:
> > Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html
> >>
> >> Added a products page. Linked from the nav.
> >
> > Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
> > replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with
> this design?
> >
>
> I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in
> zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not
> comment on that.

Sounds good to me, what do I need to do? I'm happy to edit/create ZPT
as necessary.

>
> Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to
> make some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on
> non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current
> stylesheet, ...
>
> Michael
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Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>
> Its not. Its a lot easier to find answers to my questions though at the
> Apple's support discussion boards, when I have an Apple issue, rather
> than searching Google because I'm searching through very specific
> content, not the web in general and therefore get more accurate results
> and a faster resolution.

Hmmm, well, in the case of Zope, I honestly think you get better results
if you _do_ use Google because you're not only limiting your search to
Zope.org, which isn't usually the best source for information...

>> Why should it be on zope.org?
>
> Um, because it's useful information about Zope, which is sort of what
> Zope.org is about?

Well, I don't know if that _is_ what zope.org is about anymore. It's
been so poor for so long that people have found or created other
resources and those aren't going to go away even if zope.org did
suddenly become magically better ;-)

> "The Web Site for the Zope Community" (...who are
> currently discussing Zope at various other places on the web). Thanks
> for visiting. :)

Well, point taken, but I really think zope.org should be a gateway to
those existing resources. If, at a later stage, those resources want to
migrate back to zope.org, then great, but until then, lets leave them be...

cheers,

Chris

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Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>
>> > Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
>> > replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this
>> design?
>> >
>> I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in
>> zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not
>> comment on that.
>
> Sounds good to me, what do I need to do? I'm happy to edit/create ZPT as
> necessary.

I think Michael already answered this below ;-)

>> Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make
>> some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on
>> non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current
>> stylesheet, ...

The tying in with existing styles will likely be the suckiest part. If
you manage that, I think we all owe you beer! *grinz*

Do you have the access rights you need to create a new zope.org skin?

cheers,

Chris

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