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On 7/22/05, Florent Guillaume <fg@nuxeo.com> wrote:
> If someone does a checkin but is not subscribed with the correct mail
> to the zope-checkins list, the checkin doesn't appear there.
>
> This sucks.
> A number of checkins have gone under the radar in the last few months.
>
> Could the checkin lists be changed to allow non-member posts?
> Or, if that's too much filtering work because of spam, could the
> generated checkin message come from a fixed "checkins@zope.org" email
> that would be subscribed to the list (but receive no mail)?

At least, you should receive a bounce message that you are not allowed
to post, but I don't remember getting any such messages...

I could be going senile of course...
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On 7/22/05, Florent Guillaume <fg@nuxeo.com> wrote:
> If someone does a checkin but is not subscribed with the correct mail
> to the zope-checkins list, the checkin doesn't appear there.
>
> This sucks.
> A number of checkins have gone under the radar in the last few months.

For the Zope 3 list, we hold such messages and approve them manually,
but they aren't discarded. I'd thought the other checkin lists worked
the same way, but I don't know who's taking care of them.

> Could the checkin lists be changed to allow non-member posts?
> Or, if that's too much filtering work because of spam, could the

There is a lot of spam directed to the Zope 3 checkins list, so I
presume that's true of the others as well.

> generated checkin message come from a fixed "checkins@zope.org" email
> that would be subscribed to the list (but receive no mail)?

We've looked at ways to help automate this; it seems it has a lot to
do with the level of Mailman-fu available.

But you're right, it is really annoying to not get the legitimate checkin mail.


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[Florent Guillaume]
> If someone does a checkin but is not subscribed with the correct mail
> to the zope-checkins list, the checkin doesn't appear there.
>
> This sucks.
> A number of checkins have gone under the radar in the last few months.
>
> Could the checkin lists be changed to allow non-member posts?
> Or, if that's too much filtering work because of spam, could the
> generated checkin message come from a fixed "checkins@zope.org" email
> that would be subscribed to the list (but receive no mail)?

The zodb-checkins list is set to hold postings (for moderator review)
from non-members. I run that list, and approve/discard held postings
as appropriate. A steady trickle of spam gets sent to that list, so I
wouldn't advise allowing non-member posting without moderator review.
The policy on zodb-checkins works fine (no spam gets thru, no legit
checkin messages get lost).

In contrast, the zope-checkins list admin is still listed as Ken
Mannheimer, and I doubt he pays attention to that duty anymore.
Someone else should volunteer to take it over.

Note that we did lose a few days' worth of checkin messages on _all_
zope.org checkin lists a few weeks ago, due to a mistake. There's no
"good reason" I know of for losing any messages after that, though.
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On 22 Jul 2005, at 17:09, Tim Peters wrote:
> In contrast, the zope-checkins list admin is still listed as Ken
> Mannheimer, and I doubt he pays attention to that duty anymore.
> Someone else should volunteer to take it over.

Ok I can do that. I'm used to mailman.

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Am Freitag, den 22.07.2005, 11:09 -0400 schrieb Tim Peters:
> [Florent Guillaume]
> > If someone does a checkin but is not subscribed with the correct mail
> > to the zope-checkins list, the checkin doesn't appear there.
> >
> > This sucks.
> > A number of checkins have gone under the radar in the last few months.
> >
> > Could the checkin lists be changed to allow non-member posts?
> > Or, if that's too much filtering work because of spam, could the
> > generated checkin message come from a fixed "checkins@zope.org" email
> > that would be subscribed to the list (but receive no mail)?
>
> The zodb-checkins list is set to hold postings (for moderator review)
> from non-members. I run that list, and approve/discard held postings
> as appropriate. A steady trickle of spam gets sent to that list, so I
> wouldn't advise allowing non-member posting without moderator review.
> The policy on zodb-checkins works fine (no spam gets thru, no legit
> checkin messages get lost).

Otoh, the checkin messages arent sent by the users but the repository.
Shouldnt repository sent messages not automatically accepted?

This does not affect spam in any way but drastically reduces
maintenance efford.

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On 7/22/05, Tino Wildenhain <tino@wildenhain.de> wrote:
> Otoh, the checkin messages arent sent by the users but the repository.
> Shouldnt repository sent messages not automatically accepted?

Yes, but the repository lies and says the mail came from the
committer. Were that to change, the list configuration could be
simplified and the maintenance burden substantially reduced.

Jim: You'll have to determine whether this is acceptable, since this
is a repository policy issue.


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[Tino Wildenhain]
> Otoh, the checkin messages arent sent by the users but the repository.
> Shouldnt repository sent messages not automatically accepted?

Sorry, I have no idea how it works under the covers. What you say
there doesn't appear to jibe with what Florent said:

If someone does a checkin but is not subscribed with the correct
mail to the zope-checkins list, the checkin doesn't appear there.

and I vaguely recall seeing behavior in tune with Florent's belief. I
know that my ZODB checkins generate checkin email with this header:

From: Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net>

but I'm _not_ subscribed to zodb-checkins with that address -- I have
no idea where that address comes from (although it is indeed one of my
email addresses). Probably from the email address associated with my
zope.org account.

I'll note that if an active admin exists, it's easy to allow good
postings from non-subscribed addresses. That's how my ZODB checkins
get through, for example: I added tim.one@comcast.net to the
zodb-checkins's list of allowed non-member posters. This is easy to
do from the Mailman admin interface the first time a "good" post gets
held for moderator review.
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On 7/22/05, Tim Peters <tim.peters@gmail.com> wrote:
> no idea where that address comes from (although it is indeed one of my
> email addresses). Probably from the email address associated with my
> zope.org account.

That's exactly where it comes from; the commit-email generator uses
the same LDAP service that's backing www.zope.org.


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