Mailing List Archive: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal?

[Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal?

Feb 15, 2000, 9:20 AM

Post #1 of 6 (528 views)

Hi,

In some ways, the idea that everything needs to be contained in the
Portal object in order to use those features seems inconvenient. Some of the
portal pieces seem like things that should be usable throughout a Zope
database...

Like Membership, for example. Will the membership features (and the new
LoginManager things) be strictly a part of the Portal? It seems like
LoginManager could be a useful new component for Zope itself...

In truth, I don't think there's a reason why I can't just move
everything into the Portal object. It just seems a little odd to have to do
that, though...

(It also seems like people might want to be able to use News Items and
Document objects without necessarily having a number of the other Portal
features...)

Kevin

Re: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal? [ In reply to ]

mike at digicool

Feb 15, 2000, 9:42 AM

Post #2 of 6 (530 views)

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Kevin Dangoor wrote:

> Like Membership, for example. Will the membership features (and the new
> LoginManager things) be strictly a part of the Portal? It seems like
> LoginManager could be a useful new component for Zope itself...

Exactly so! LoginManager is being developed as a separate Product,
which the PTK uses. So, yes, it will be available for other uses.

> (It also seems like people might want to be able to use News Items and
> Document objects without necessarily having a number of the other Portal
> features...)

Stripped of their PortalContent ancestory, these objects are so
trivial they don't even warrent reuse. Reverse engineering them as
ZClasses would take less time than trying to extract the Portal portions
of these versions.

Mike.

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Re: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal? [ In reply to ]

kid at kendermedia

Feb 15, 2000, 10:06 AM

Post #3 of 6 (532 views)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pelletier" <mike@digicool.com>
To: "Kevin Dangoor" <kid@kendermedia.com>
Cc: <zope-ptk@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal?

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Kevin Dangoor wrote:
>
> > Like Membership, for example. Will the membership features (and the
new
> > LoginManager things) be strictly a part of the Portal? It seems like
> > LoginManager could be a useful new component for Zope itself...
>
> Exactly so! LoginManager is being developed as a separate Product,
> which the PTK uses. So, yes, it will be available for other uses.

Ahh... Glad to hear I misunderstood! :)

> > (It also seems like people might want to be able to use News Items
and
> > Document objects without necessarily having a number of the other Portal
> > features...)
>
> Stripped of their PortalContent ancestory, these objects are so
> trivial they don't even warrent reuse. Reverse engineering them as
> ZClasses would take less time than trying to extract the Portal portions
> of these versions.

You're probably right about that, I guess. The ZClasses are pretty simple.
Though, I do think that newbies would appreciate having the Document ZClass.
That's a way for them to create docs without touching DTML at all.

Kevin

Re: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal? [ In reply to ]

tseaver at palladion

Feb 15, 2000, 10:28 AM

Post #4 of 6 (529 views)

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Kevin Dangoor wrote:

<snip>

> You're probably right about that, I guess. The ZClasses are pretty simple.
> Though, I do think that newbies would appreciate having the Document ZClass.
> That's a way for them to create docs without touching DTML at all.

I have a dead-simple STX_Document ZClass which I use for this. It has two
properties, title and body_stx, and uses the following for its index_html
method::

<dtml-var standard_html_header>

<h2> <dtml-var title> </h2>

<dtml-var body_stx fmt=structured-text>

<dtml-var standard_html_footer>

I guess I could package it up as a Product (it is currently buried in a
"utility" Product I have). Another useful feature might be a "STX Help" tab,
which demoed the syntax.

Tres.
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Re: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal? [ In reply to ]

kid at kendermedia

Feb 15, 2000, 12:47 PM

Post #5 of 6 (529 views)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tres Seaver" <tseaver@palladion.com>
To: "Kevin Dangoor" <kid@kendermedia.com>
Cc: "Mike Pelletier" <mike@digicool.com>; <zope-ptk@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal?

> I have a dead-simple STX_Document ZClass which I use for this. It has two
> properties, title and body_stx, and uses the following for its index_html
> method::
>
> <dtml-var standard_html_header>
>
> <h2> <dtml-var title> </h2>
>
> <dtml-var body_stx fmt=structured-text>
>
> <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
>
> I guess I could package it up as a Product (it is currently buried in a
> "utility" Product I have). Another useful feature might be a "STX Help"
tab,
> which demoed the syntax.

This sounds like something people would like. I agree that this is really,
really simple. But, I've seen people coming from Frontierland and wondering
why they need to include <dtml-var standard_html_header> when Frontier
automatically includes headers and footers...

An STX_Document class is also useful because otherwise you need to make a
separate method to render the doc out to HTML, which seems a little hokey.

Aren't ZClasses great?

Kevin

Re: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal? [ In reply to ]

tseaver at palladion

Feb 15, 2000, 10:32 PM

Post #6 of 6 (523 views)

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Kevin Dangoor wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tres Seaver" <tseaver@palladion.com>
> To: "Kevin Dangoor" <kid@kendermedia.com>
> Cc: "Mike Pelletier" <mike@digicool.com>; <zope-ptk@zope.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope-PTK] Membership separate from Portal?
>
> > I have a dead-simple STX_Document ZClass which I use for this. It has two
> > properties, title and body_stx, and uses the following for its index_html
> > method::
> >
> > <dtml-var standard_html_header>
> >
> > <h2> <dtml-var title> </h2>
> >
> > <dtml-var body_stx fmt=structured-text>
> >
> > <dtml-var standard_html_footer>
> >
> > I guess I could package it up as a Product (it is currently buried in a
> > "utility" Product I have). Another useful feature might be a "STX Help"
> tab,
> > which demoed the syntax.
>
> This sounds like something people would like. I agree that this is really,
> really simple. But, I've seen people coming from Frontierland and wondering
> why they need to include <dtml-var standard_html_header> when Frontier
> automatically includes headers and footers...
>
> An STX_Document class is also useful because otherwise you need to make a
> separate method to render the doc out to HTML, which seems a little hokey.
>
> Aren't ZClasses great?
>
> Kevin

OK, it is up at:

http://www.zope.org/Members/tseaver/STX_Document/

It is CatalogAware, and has a Help tab which dumps the documentation from the
StructuredText docstrings.

Let me know how it works,

Tres.
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