Jens Frank wrote:
>Anthere wrote:
>>Toby Bartels wrote:
>>><http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special%3AUndelete&target=xxx>
>>That is great ! Just needs to be seeable by anyone.
>>The sysop status could be just necessary to hit the button
>I don't think this should be available to the public.
>Currently, copyrighted material is just deleted, but
>can still be reached by sysops for inspection or
>undeletion. We can't make those pages available.
If you really think that this can't be made viewable by just anybody,
then aren't you concerned about the many copyright infrigements
that remain visible all over Wikipedia in various pages' edit histories?
Deleted pages are not the same thing as copyright infringments.
Not all (or most) deleted pages are copyright infringements,
nor or all (or most?) copyright infringements on deleted pages.
If it's a problem that copyrighted material remains on Wikipedia,
albeit buried in rarely visited places that spiders don't archive,
then we should address *that* issue, which remains outstanding.
But it's irrelevant to Anthere's IMO reasonable desire
to view the text of deleted pages on wikis where she's not an admin.
I hope that our practice of simply burying copyrighted material,
when it's added to old pages, isn't really a problem,
since we can remove it by special actions on the database
if ever a complaint is lodged, thus avoiding liability.
The only problem should be if the material remains
on the current version of some page,
leading to its incorporation into future edits.
But if I'm wrong, then continuing to block ordinary users
from viewing the content of recently deleted pages
does little if anything to address the issue.
-- Toby
>Anthere wrote:
>>Toby Bartels wrote:
>>><http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special%3AUndelete&target=xxx>
>>That is great ! Just needs to be seeable by anyone.
>>The sysop status could be just necessary to hit the button
>I don't think this should be available to the public.
>Currently, copyrighted material is just deleted, but
>can still be reached by sysops for inspection or
>undeletion. We can't make those pages available.
If you really think that this can't be made viewable by just anybody,
then aren't you concerned about the many copyright infrigements
that remain visible all over Wikipedia in various pages' edit histories?
Deleted pages are not the same thing as copyright infringments.
Not all (or most) deleted pages are copyright infringements,
nor or all (or most?) copyright infringements on deleted pages.
If it's a problem that copyrighted material remains on Wikipedia,
albeit buried in rarely visited places that spiders don't archive,
then we should address *that* issue, which remains outstanding.
But it's irrelevant to Anthere's IMO reasonable desire
to view the text of deleted pages on wikis where she's not an admin.
I hope that our practice of simply burying copyrighted material,
when it's added to old pages, isn't really a problem,
since we can remove it by special actions on the database
if ever a complaint is lodged, thus avoiding liability.
The only problem should be if the material remains
on the current version of some page,
leading to its incorporation into future edits.
But if I'm wrong, then continuing to block ordinary users
from viewing the content of recently deleted pages
does little if anything to address the issue.
-- Toby