Hi Anthere,
I very much appreciate these 'personal essays'.
They should be given a proper place (don't remove!).
They should however be separated from 'development'.
Software-development and maintainance is a very
serious business, please don't call it 'hacking'
any longer because Wikipedia is reaching adulthood. :-)
(Grown-up software-developers don't call themselves
'hackers': It's all about thinking and mathematics!)
Please keep the 'personal essays', but not mixed
with serious development stuff.
Thanks,
Pieter Suurmond
Anthere wrote:
>
> --- Erik Moeller <erik_moeller@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > I agree with Anthere and strongly disagree with
> > eliminating personal essays
> > > from meta. If POV material isn't allowed on meta
> > then where should it go?
> > Um .. how about just getting rid of it? Why is it
> > within Wikipedia's
> > mission to somehow provide storage space for
> > personal essays? We're an
> > encyclopedia, not a hosting provider.
> >
> > Taku is correct in that this only makes Meta hard to
> > use, especially for
> > other people who want to help working on the
> > Wikipedia software. While it
> > is possible to better organize meta, the Recent
> > Changes list is cluttered
> > by this stuff. There are literally hundreds of
> > entries like this:
> >
> > ...
> > # diff) (hist) . . MN Meta-symbiosis; 15:25 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:43 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:39 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . M User:Saprtacus; 15:38 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . MN Meta-etiology; 15:33 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:31 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > ...
> >
> > Now try to find the critical "How Wikipedia can be
> > really, really fast"
> > development proposal hidden deep within this
> > idiosyncratic nonsense.
>
> Meta is not only about software development, so don't
> try to restrict his use for that matter.
>
> Besides, you'll have to define what a "personal" essay
> is. So not only would we need a consensus for removal
> of pages from the meta, but we'll need a consensus
> about what a personal essay is, and we'll need to
> decide whether each and other page a personal essay
> is.
>
> All that to make a couple of articles more visible
> (some on software development) or rather some less
> visible (those you think are trashing meta).
>
> A simpler way could be to implement a little something
> which would allow a user to hide changes made by
> another given user.
>
> This was asked on the french wiki btw (not by me). I
> think it would for example make sense to hide all the
> automatic generation of bots (after it is checked
> these are correct). That option sounds to me feasible,
> and more desirable than just arbitrarily removing
> other people stuff and upsetting them.
>
> (oh crumbs, another feature to reject...)
>
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I very much appreciate these 'personal essays'.
They should be given a proper place (don't remove!).
They should however be separated from 'development'.
Software-development and maintainance is a very
serious business, please don't call it 'hacking'
any longer because Wikipedia is reaching adulthood. :-)
(Grown-up software-developers don't call themselves
'hackers': It's all about thinking and mathematics!)
Please keep the 'personal essays', but not mixed
with serious development stuff.
Thanks,
Pieter Suurmond
Anthere wrote:
>
> --- Erik Moeller <erik_moeller@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > I agree with Anthere and strongly disagree with
> > eliminating personal essays
> > > from meta. If POV material isn't allowed on meta
> > then where should it go?
> > Um .. how about just getting rid of it? Why is it
> > within Wikipedia's
> > mission to somehow provide storage space for
> > personal essays? We're an
> > encyclopedia, not a hosting provider.
> >
> > Taku is correct in that this only makes Meta hard to
> > use, especially for
> > other people who want to help working on the
> > Wikipedia software. While it
> > is possible to better organize meta, the Recent
> > Changes list is cluttered
> > by this stuff. There are literally hundreds of
> > entries like this:
> >
> > ...
> > # diff) (hist) . . MN Meta-symbiosis; 15:25 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:43 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:39 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . M User:Saprtacus; 15:38 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . MN Meta-etiology; 15:33 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > # (diff) (hist) . . M User talk:Saprtacus; 15:31 . .
> > Saprtacus
> > ...
> >
> > Now try to find the critical "How Wikipedia can be
> > really, really fast"
> > development proposal hidden deep within this
> > idiosyncratic nonsense.
>
> Meta is not only about software development, so don't
> try to restrict his use for that matter.
>
> Besides, you'll have to define what a "personal" essay
> is. So not only would we need a consensus for removal
> of pages from the meta, but we'll need a consensus
> about what a personal essay is, and we'll need to
> decide whether each and other page a personal essay
> is.
>
> All that to make a couple of articles more visible
> (some on software development) or rather some less
> visible (those you think are trashing meta).
>
> A simpler way could be to implement a little something
> which would allow a user to hide changes made by
> another given user.
>
> This was asked on the french wiki btw (not by me). I
> think it would for example make sense to hide all the
> automatic generation of bots (after it is checked
> these are correct). That option sounds to me feasible,
> and more desirable than just arbitrarily removing
> other people stuff and upsetting them.
>
> (oh crumbs, another feature to reject...)
>
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