Mailing List Archive: Moving talk pages across namespaces

Moving talk pages across namespaces

Sep 11, 2002, 2:47 AM

Post #1 of 3 (398 views)

I noticed tonight when Jeronimo was moving a bunch of pages from the
article namespace into Wikipedia: namespace that the talk pages weren't
being automatically moved over to Wikipedia talk:, even though he had
been using the check box to automatically move the talk page. (They can
be moved manually, but that defeats the purpose of the checkbox!)

Looking at SpecialMovePage.php I see the comments:
# Move talk page if (1) the checkbox says to, (2) the source
# and target namespaces are identical, (3) the namespaces are not
# themselves talk namespaces, and of course (4) it exists.

which conditions are dutifully followed by the code; number two is the
one that's catching us here.

If there's a good reason behind that, it needs to be documented. If not,
it ought to be changed to handle moving talk pages across namespaces (so
long as neither the source nor destination namespace of the main article
is a talk namespace) to accord with current user expectation.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Re: Moving talk pages across namespaces [ In reply to ]

magnus.manske at epost

Sep 11, 2002, 3:54 AM

Post #2 of 3 (399 views)

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That was a complaint on German wikipedia afer the switch to the new
software. I think there's even a bug report, but I'm not sure.

Brion VIBBER wrote:

> I noticed tonight when Jeronimo was moving a bunch of pages from the
> article namespace into Wikipedia: namespace that the talk pages
> weren't being automatically moved over to Wikipedia talk:, even though
> he had been using the check box to automatically move the talk page.
> (They can be moved manually, but that defeats the purpose of the
> checkbox!)
>
> Looking at SpecialMovePage.php I see the comments:
> # Move talk page if (1) the checkbox says to, (2) the source
> # and target namespaces are identical, (3) the namespaces are not
> # themselves talk namespaces, and of course (4) it exists.
>
> which conditions are dutifully followed by the code; number two is the
> one that's catching us here.
>
> If there's a good reason behind that, it needs to be documented. If
> not, it ought to be changed to handle moving talk pages across
> namespaces (so long as neither the source nor destination namespace of
> the main article is a talk namespace) to accord with current user
> expectation.
>
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
>
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Re: Moving talk pages across namespaces [ In reply to ]

jansson at gmx

Sep 11, 2002, 4:31 AM

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bug report:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=600079&group_id
=34373&atid=411192

(part of) Lee's answer:
> It was not my intention to allow moving talk pages when
> moving from one namespace to another, so the bug is that the
> checkbox appears at all.

But the question remains: why?

BTW, is it possible to make an sql query that looks for talk pages who's
corresponding article is only a redirect, or doesn't exist?

Kurt

> That was a complaint on German wikipedia afer the switch to the new
> software. I think there's even a bug report, but I'm not sure.
>
> Brion VIBBER wrote:
>
> > I noticed tonight when Jeronimo was moving a bunch of pages from the
> > article namespace into Wikipedia: namespace that the talk pages
> > weren't being automatically moved over to Wikipedia talk:, even
though
> > he had been using the check box to automatically move the talk page.
> > (They can be moved manually, but that defeats the purpose of the
> > checkbox!)
> >
> > Looking at SpecialMovePage.php I see the comments:
> > # Move talk page if (1) the checkbox says to, (2) the source
> > # and target namespaces are identical, (3) the namespaces are not
> > # themselves talk namespaces, and of course (4) it exists.
> >
> > which conditions are dutifully followed by the code; number two is
the
> > one that's catching us here.
> >
> > If there's a good reason behind that, it needs to be documented. If
> > not, it ought to be changed to handle moving talk pages across
> > namespaces (so long as neither the source nor destination namespace
of
> > the main article is a talk namespace) to accord with current user
> > expectation.
> >
> > -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)