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On 28/02/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/28/07, David Strauss <david at fourkitchens.com> wrote:
> > How would people even get to Wikimania without purchasing a flight on a
> > credit or debit card?
>
> By taking cash or a check/cheque into a travel agent. Perhaps some
> also accept bank transfers.
>
> Angela
>

And Travellers, they're accepted nearly all around the world. There
are many ways to buy tickets and travel without credit card.

--
schiste

On 2/28/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:

> It might be a good thing to add the ability
> of bank transfer, maybe even through a WMF-account that they transfer it
> together to you? (to reduce costs for international and inter-valuta
> traffic)

This may be a good idea, but it may have some legal implication. Who
would be the
entity that collect the money and at what title would do that.

If it act in a way that is similar to a travel agent it would be
required by law(*) to be registered as travel agent. But perhaps the
thing is doable by stating that the money are not for
travel/accommodation only but for cultural purpose.

(*) for sure by Italian law, but if I remember correctly this is a
requirement that came from an European Union directive, so there
should be similar law in other EU countries.

If such a thing would be set up, not only the people in that country
could benefit, but also the people in many other countries in Europe
since the transfer fee to another EU country would be minimal compared
to an EU/Taiwan transfer.

AnyFile

In 2006, Wikimania *did* offer accommodations. I assume that's the case
for 2007, too.

Any File wrote:
> If it act in a way that is similar to a travel agent it would be
> required by law(*) to be registered as travel agent. But perhaps the
> thing is doable by stating that the money are not for
> travel/accommodation only but for cultural purpose.

THD wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The registration of Wikimania 2007 is going to open in recent days.
> Thanks
> for [[zh:User:????b|Littlebtc]]'s working on the registration
> system. Now
> the system is almost done, and need debug and pressure test. Therefore,
> please test the system:
> http://wikimania.tw/~littlebtc/wikimania/index.php?uselang=en
>
> If you have any question please don't hesitate to let me and Littlebtc
> know.
> His email is sst.dream at gmail.com.

For accomodations June 31 should be July 31.

For badge name some people will want both the real and user name to appear.

Ec

THD wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The registration of Wikimania 2007 is going to open in recent days.
> Thanks
> for [[zh:User:????b|Littlebtc]]'s working on the registration
> system. Now
> the system is almost done, and need debug and pressure test. Therefore,
> please test the system:
> http://wikimania.tw/~littlebtc/wikimania/index.php?uselang=en
>
> If you have any question please don't hesitate to let me and Littlebtc
> know.
> His email is sst.dream at gmail.com.

Two more points:
1. On completed registration notice "Your registration number will be
shown below." - Not "showed"
Also: "Your registration form has been submitted" - Not "is been".
2. Registration fees should specify what currency is meant.

Ec

David Strauss wrote:

>"A.D." should probably change to "C.E." before the date of birthday. I
>would also use the term "birth date" instead of "birthday." At least in
>the U.S., people consider the birthday to be the /annual/ occurrence of
>a certain month and day. (e.g., My birth date is 11 March 1984, but my
>birthday is just 11 March.)
>
As far as AD/CE is concerned it's not really needed unless we have
people coming who are more than 2000 years old. For that matter, age is
not important among Wikipedians so why not omit the question altogether.

Ec

On 3/1/07, christophe.henner at wikimedia.fr <christophe.henner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > * What is ATM way of payment? Is it a Money order?
> I think it's a wrong translation, ATM is the Cash Machine, so ATM
> meant credit card working only with cash machine and not for paiment,

ATM stands for "Auto-teller maschine", cash machine of bank, credit
card company etc. For ongoing Japanese version I didn't translate it
literally, but "Interbank transaction"; it simply means you can send
your fee to a certain Taiwan Bank account directly (with their account
number), and you can do so not only via ATM (perhasp international
bank transaction is hard on ATM), but also with a teller who sit on
your bank's counter...

Cheers,
--
KIZU Naoko
Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
* habent enim emolumentum in labore suo *

Yes, you are correct. It's my fault to use the ATM term in the registration
form. I should use "interbank transaction".

Sorry for the misleading and my apologize.

H.T.

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Aphaia
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:31 AM
> To: christophe.henner at wikimedia.fr; Wikimania general list
> (open subscription)
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Test of Registration system
>
> On 3/1/07, christophe.henner at wikimedia.fr
> <christophe.henner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > * What is ATM way of payment? Is it a Money order?
> > I think it's a wrong translation, ATM is the Cash Machine, so ATM
> > meant credit card working only with cash machine and not
> for paiment,
>
> ATM stands for "Auto-teller maschine", cash machine of bank,
> credit card company etc. For ongoing Japanese version I
> didn't translate it literally, but "Interbank transaction";
> it simply means you can send your fee to a certain Taiwan
> Bank account directly (with their account number), and you
> can do so not only via ATM (perhasp international bank
> transaction is hard on ATM), but also with a teller who sit
> on your bank's counter...
>
> Cheers,
> --
> KIZU Naoko
> Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
> * habent enim emolumentum in labore suo *
>
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___________________________________________________
??????? ? ????????????????
http://messenger.yahoo.com.tw/

I hope not to reproduce too many of the questions/comments that were
said before, but here are mine:

==Personal identification data==

Please fill your personal data in the form correctly. This information
will be used for the City Tour and insurance.
[A citizen of Republic of China, Taiwan ]

[.Yes, I am. (Please type your national identification number and your
Chinese name in the following fields)]
*This is not very clear to me. But maybe it makes more sense in Chinese ;-)

[.No, I'm not. (Please type your passport number and your name on the
passport in the following fields)] OK

[Chinese name / Name on passport : ]
*'''Believe me you REALLY want this to be {first name} and {last name}
otherwise the sorting of the database is impossible.'''

[Sex Male Female Other: ]
*I would change this empty field 'other' to "decline to state" or
something along those lines, or you're gonna get a lot of "superjet"
and "tree" or something.

[ID / Passport number] OK
[Country / Region ]
[City ]
*It is not AT ALL clear what "country/Region/City you want here.
Case in point. I am French, I live in Germany. My passport was issued
in France, Paris, but I live in Frankfurt, Germany. So you have to be
much more precise.

Other thing, you will need much more passport information for people
who need a visa, you might as well collect this information there.

I would put the following:

Name as it appears on passport:
[First name] [last name]
[ID/Passport number]
[Nationality as it appears on passport] (here a choice field for countries)
[Passport issued in (city)] ??? -- not sure if this is the info you need here.
[Birthday A.D.] Agree with everything that's been said. change to
birthdate and get rid of the A.D.
>If you need a visa, we thank you for also filling in the following
information, so that we can issue the invitation letter:
[Passport issued in (country)]
[on (date of issue)]


[Linguistic abilities]
I think this part should come at the bottom, not at the beginning.

[Wikimedia project and e-mail account(s)]
This should be right after the personal info.

* Your e-mail information will be used for registration and urgent
notification on Wikimania 2007 only.] (add something like: please make
sure to enter an email that works and that you check regularly

[Wikimedia project account @ . .org] (add something like: this
information will be used to print your badge)
[Your e-mail ]

You need to add a field that allows people to have their badge printed
with ONLY their nickname, and not their name, right here.
[.Please use only my Username in the projects to print my badge] [checkbox]
(ah, darn, I just realized the badge information was later on. It is
not very logical, put it rather with the name/username info)

That's all for now. I'll see for the rest.

Delphine

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Angela wrote:
> On 2/28/07, David Strauss <david at fourkitchens.com> wrote:
>> "A.D." should probably change to "C.E."
>
> Please do not put AD or CE. It's not needed and either one will cause
> a flamewar (see wikien-l archives).
>
> Angela
>
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I was just thinking of mentionning that the AD and CE issue was the
first topic to cause a huge war on the french wikipedia, to the point we
had to block someone... which is the primary reason why I became an
admin in the first place.

ant

> I was just thinking of mentionning that the AD and CE issue was the
> first topic to cause a huge war on the french wikipedia, to the point we
> had to block someone... which is the primary reason why I became an
> admin in the first place.
>
> ant
>
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Ah.....
This is really a big cultural difference, and I think there's a need of
clarification on why the system designer put "AD" here.

In Taiwan, our society doesn't have a generally speaking Christian Religion
background. In our daily life, we usually count year in the "19XX", "200X"
way as same as most parts of the world, and both in the way "year of
Republic of China". For example, I was born in the 66 "year of Republic of
China". This year is the 96 "year of Republic of China".

Whatever, the name "year of Republic of China" is another big politically
controversial issue for Taiwanese and Chinese communities all over the
world. In Wikipedia Chinese Version, there is someone named "Republic of
China 95 year". He did editing wars and got blocked several times.

Therefore, the designer just wanted to make it clearer that "Don't fill in
the number of year of Republic of China, but 19xx or 20xx". I don't think
there was any intention to cause a lift of debates.

Thanks

THD
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On 3/2/07, THD <theodoranian at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is really a big cultural difference, and I think there's a need of
> clarification on why the system designer put "AD" here.

Thanks for your note, I think it reasonable. Since we Japanese have a
similar problem between "Heisei" and so-called "Western calendar".
Edir wars around this issue occured, as well.

> Therefore, the designer just wanted to make it clearer that "Don't fill in
> the number of year of Republic of China, but 19xx or 20xx". I don't think
> there was any intention to cause a lift of debates.

Reasonable solution.
1) Can we leave it for Chinese version (and other language version
which need a similar remark) and remove the remark from the lest?
2) Or pulldown menu beginning from 1900 can solve the problem also for
East-Asian people like us?

Cheers,

--
KIZU Naoko
Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
* habent enim emolumentum in labore suo *

2007/3/2, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com>:
>
> On 3/2/07, THD <theodoranian at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is really a big cultural difference, and I think there's a need of
> > clarification on why the system designer put "AD" here.
>
> Thanks for your note, I think it reasonable. Since we Japanese have a
> similar problem between "Heisei" and so-called "Western calendar".
> Edir wars around this issue occured, as well.
>
> > Therefore, the designer just wanted to make it clearer that "Don't fill
> in
> > the number of year of Republic of China, but 19xx or 20xx". I don't
> think
> > there was any intention to cause a lift of debates.
>
> Reasonable solution.
> 1) Can we leave it for Chinese version (and other language version
> which need a similar remark) and remove the remark from the lest?
> 2) Or pulldown menu beginning from 1900 can solve the problem also for
> East-Asian people like us?
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> KIZU Naoko
> Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
> * habent enim emolumentum in labore suo *
>
>
I will discuss with Littlebtc this evening. We discussed a little last
night, and we think a pull down menu would be a better solution.

Thanks for all the comments. We have collected them and we will modify the
system as soon as possible.

THD
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, THD wrote:

> Therefore, the designer just wanted to make it clearer that "Don't fill in
> the number of year of Republic of China, but 19xx or 20xx". I don't think
> there was any intention to cause a lift of debates.

Why not just disallow any number below 1900 or greater than 2007?
That should take care of most alternate year-counting systems.

SJ

I set to disallow below 1800 or greater than 2007 recently. I will fix
it to below 1900.

On 3/2/07, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, THD wrote:
>
> > Therefore, the designer just wanted to make it clearer that "Don't fill in
> > the number of year of Republic of China, but 19xx or 20xx". I don't think
> > there was any intention to cause a lift of debates.
>
> Why not just disallow any number below 1900 or greater than 2007?
> That should take care of most alternate year-counting systems.
>
> SJ
>
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Is it posible to put fr form online so I can check if everything is
really correct?


--
schiste

On 3/6/07, christophe.henner at wikimedia.fr <christophe.henner at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it posible to put fr form online so I can check if everything is
> really correct?
>

The same for Italian, please.

AnyFile