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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:41:55 +0200, Giovanni <gputignano@tiscali.it> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've set up a wiki about programming.
> When I write, for example, [[C++]] as link, this don't give me a correct link. Is this a bug or there is a solution?

Neither. Article names containing certain characters are not allowed,
because they would be misinterpretted by the server and/or browser,
potential leading to bugs or even security breaches. +, for instance,
is used in URLs to represent a space, so the URL "...path/to/wiki/C++"
would be interprettes as "...path/to/wiki/C"

The English Wikipedia uses the name [[C Plus Plus]] for its article on
the language, and adds a template explaining that this is not the
"correct" title. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28technical_restrictions%29
which includes a list of disallowed characters.
--
Rowan Collins BSc
[IMSoP]

On Oct 7, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Giovanni wrote:
> Hi,
> I've set up a wiki about programming.
> When I write, for example, [[C++]] as link, this don't give me a
> correct link. Is this a bug or there is a solution?

The + character is not currently allowed in page titles. It might or
might not work if you add it to the legal title chars (see Title.php);
there may be escaping/unescaping issues or those may have been resolved
in the past.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Thanks for the answer.
It could be better to find an alternative solution to this problem. I'm the
only that need this feature?
Besides I need other sintax as C#, for example.
Excuse me for my bad english.

Giovanni putignano

On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:33 AM, Giovanni wrote:
> Thanks for the answer.
> It could be better to find an alternative solution to this problem.
> I'm the
> only that need this feature?
> Besides I need other sintax as C#, for example.
> Excuse me for my bad english.

That definitely won't work, as # is reserved for specifying "anchor"
positions on a page. Blame Microsoft for choosing a web-unfriendly
name. ;)

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Ok,
Plus Plus stay for ++, what for #? diesis is ok? Or what?

Giovanni Putignano

Usually "C Sharp" is used for C#.

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Ok,
Plus Plus stay for ++, what for #? diesis is ok? Or what?

Giovanni Putignano

All that being said, it would not be impossible to make this work. The
reserved characters can be represented via % hex escape sequences (such
as space being %20), if this was something that people wanted to fix.
It would mean that the parser for links would have to know how to do the
proper translations.

I don't know of any real technical reqasons why this couldn't be made to
work.

-Nick

Richards,Michael wrote:

>Usually "C Sharp" is used for C#.
>
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>Ok,
>Plus Plus stay for ++, what for #? diesis is ok? Or what?
>
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On Oct 7, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Nick Triantos wrote:
> All that being said, it would not be impossible to make this work.
> The reserved characters can be represented via % hex escape sequences
> (such as space being %20), if this was something that people wanted to
> fix. It would mean that the parser for links would have to know how
> to do the proper translations.
>
> I don't know of any real technical reqasons why this couldn't be made
> to work.

It's a human issue: typing [[C%23]] is not really wiki.

Also, % code are currently decoded as it is, iirc, and used sometimes
for interwiki links.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

> Thanks for the answer.
> It could be better to find an alternative solution to this problem. I'm
> the
> only that need this feature?
> Besides I need other sintax as C#, for example.
> Excuse me for my bad english.

How about <nowiki> * + [ ] # </nowiki> ?

--tic

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:50:01 +0200, tic@tictric.net <tic@tictric.net> wrote:
> > Thanks for the answer.
> > It could be better to find an alternative solution to this problem. I'm
> > the
> > only that need this feature?
> > Besides I need other sintax as C#, for example.
> > Excuse me for my bad english.
>
> How about <nowiki> * + [ ] # </nowiki> ?

That doesn't make any difference to the links, and the URLs generated therefrom.

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Rowan Collins BSc
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Right, sorry, what I meant was that a user could type [[C++]], and the
parser could intelligently translate that into C%23%23 when looking up
the actual page.

cheers,
-Nick

Brion Vibber wrote:

> On Oct 7, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Nick Triantos wrote:
>
>> All that being said, it would not be impossible to make this work.
>> The reserved characters can be represented via % hex escape sequences
>> (such as space being %20), if this was something that people wanted
>> to fix. It would mean that the parser for links would have to know
>> how to do the proper translations.
>>
>> I don't know of any real technical reqasons why this couldn't be made
>> to work.
>
>
> It's a human issue: typing [[C%23]] is not really wiki.
>
> Also, % code are currently decoded as it is, iirc, and used sometimes
> for interwiki links.
>
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On Oct 7, 2004, at 5:40 PM, Nick Triantos wrote:
> Right, sorry, what I meant was that a user could type [[C++]], and the
> parser could intelligently translate that into C%23%23 when looking up
> the actual page.

While that could do it for +, # (%23) is a harder issue since it's
reserved for the link syntax, like [ and ] and | are.

Part of the reason that + and % doesn't currently work is there is some
double-unescaping done, and the escaped forms sometimes get used in
internals links or other oddities.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

>> How about <nowiki> * + [ ] # </nowiki> ?
>
> That doesn't make any difference to the links, and the URLs generated
> therefrom.
>
Should have been reading more carfully :-) You need the links. That's bad.

> Hi,
> I've set up a wiki about programming.
> When I write, for example, [[C++]] as link, this don't give me a correct
> link. Is this a bug or there is a solution?
> Thank

hi

i have the same Problem :-(

for example i would write:

[[LF 8/6]]

any solution ?

greetings
Juergen

On Oct 12, 2004, at 7:46 AM, Jürgen Mayer wrote:
> i have the same Problem :-(
>
> for example i would write:
>
> [[LF 8/6]]
>
> any solution ?

Can you be a little more specific as to what the problem is? That
should work just fine.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

I think he means that he wants a page with a name of "LF 8/6", not a
page "LF 8" and a subpage "6".

To my knowledge, this inhierently impossible, unless you use escape
sequences. (eg, [[LF 8\/6]], backslash then slash)


On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:06:38 -0700, Brion Vibber <brion@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 2004, at 7:46 AM, Jürgen Mayer wrote:
> > i have the same Problem :-(
> >
> > for example i would write:
> >
> > [[LF 8/6]]
> >
> > any solution ?
>
> Can you be a little more specific as to what the problem is? That
> should work just fine.
>
>
>
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On Oct 14, 2004, at 12:02 PM, Jamie Bliss wrote:
> I think he means that he wants a page with a name of "LF 8/6", not a
> page "LF 8" and a subpage "6".

There's no such thing as subpages, really.

"Subpages" are just a shorthand for linking between titles with a
certain convention, and this is by default not enabled in the main page
space.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Yes, I know.

Maybe this should be added to Mediazilla as an enhancement?
(I know that the special characters are used internally, but maybe
they should be escaped before the internal liks are done?)


On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:24:13 -0700, Brion Vibber <brion@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2004, at 12:02 PM, Jamie Bliss wrote:
> > I think he means that he wants a page with a name of "LF 8/6", not a
> > page "LF 8" and a subpage "6".
>
> There's no such thing as subpages, really.
>
> "Subpages" are just a shorthand for linking between titles with a
> certain convention, and this is by default not enabled in the main page
> space.
>
>
>
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Indeed.

As regards the slashes you can create any friggin page you want, see:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11
or
>> http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Because_a_friend/of_a_friend/
>> of_a_friend/told_me



On 14 Oct 2004, at 21:24, Brion Vibber wrote:

> On Oct 14, 2004, at 12:02 PM, Jamie Bliss wrote:
>> I think he means that he wants a page with a name of "LF 8/6", not a
>> page "LF 8" and a subpage "6".
>
> There's no such thing as subpages, really.
>
> "Subpages" are just a shorthand for linking between titles with a
> certain convention, and this is by default not enabled in the main
> page space.
>
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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