Agreed. This work is absolutely fantastic, and OWID itself is a wonder of
the data-viz world, run by a small team, advancing what it means to
effectively convey the sum of current knowledge on a topic. We should
actively support them however possible.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:38?PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> As per the last input by James Heilman regarding multilingualism:
>
> Whatever translations we could implement in the interactive graphs that
> may imply some kind of a “mirroring back” to OWID, is a win-win for both
> projects and for the sake of free knowledge. Considering the relevance of
> OWID in academic environments, it would be great that our efforts in
> adapting them on-wiki for our articles can revert to a better language
> accessibility there as well.
>
> Salutacions/Kind regards,
>
> Xavier Dengra
>
> As per the latest input by James
> El dc, 17 abr., 2024 a 22:41, James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com
> <El+dc,+17+abr.,+2024+a+22:41,+James+Heilman+%3C%3Ca+href=>> va escriure:
>
> Was involved in 2019 with loading the datasets that form these graphs
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:CO2PerCapita.tab> onto Commons.
> And then we were using these data sets within our currently dead graph
> tool <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/OurWorld>. While we
> got it to work, sort of, it was never nearly as nice as what OWID does. For
> example our tool could not "zoom in" to Europe.
>
> With respect to offline use, the still images are offline functional
> within ZIMs for Kiwix, but yes the interactive graphs are not functional in
> these ZIMs/offline.
>
> The graphs actually work beautifully on mobile web. Not sure about the
> Wikipedia app.
>
> All of OWIDs source code is open source and we could definitely look at
> pulling it into our ecosystem. We already made a copy of it with a number
> of modifications at https://owidm.wmcloud.org/ Another major benefit to
> bringing it in house is that we would have greater control over making it
> multilingual (that was one of the reasons we looked at the mirror).
>
> Another strategy could be to look at a partnership with OWID for these
> specific 4,500 graphics. We could help them become more multilingual, with
> an agreement around our reuse / mirroring their site on production servers.
> Plus we could feedback other datasets to be graphed for either of our use.
>
> James
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:22?PM Brooke Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Note that a third-party web service is not ideal; in addition to the
>> issues of tracking and privacy, it can't work offline and likely would
>> require additional work to get the graphics working on mobile web, mobile
>> apps, and offline (kiwix etc). Integrating fully with a self-contained
>> service that is supported by our whole ecosystem and maintained in the
>> future would be desirable in the work I'd like to make sure we do on
>> multimedia.
>>
>> -- brooke
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:59?PM James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A bit more background on Our World in Data.
>>>
>>> They currently have about 4,500 data visualization
>>> https://ourworldindata.org/charts
>>>
>>> They come in two main formats:
>>>
>>> 1) Grapher: These are simpler and their older work
>>> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-substance-disorders
>>> 2) Explorers: These are newer with more ways to adjust data
>>> https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/natural-resources
>>>
>>> Both of these work via the consent pop up workflow.
>>>
>>> We last coordinated the mass upload of still images from OWID to Commons
>>> in 2020. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data
>>> And are beginning to look at doing an update. One thought as part of this
>>> update would be to include within the commons page the mediawiki markup
>>> needed to have the consent pop up work in target languages that have it
>>> activated.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:29?PM Brooke Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is exciting -- let's make sure we capture any usage requirements
>>>> for the upcoming Graphs modernization work so we can have these features
>>>> built in again soon!
>>>>
>>>> -- brooke
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:43?AM Felipe Schenone <schenonef@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Amazing work, James and Galder!
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I was bold, made it fully multilingual and generalized it so
>>>>> that it can be easily installed in any wiki (Wikimedia or not).
>>>>> See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID for the documentation
>>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-OWID.js for the
>>>>> code
>>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadgets for more context
>>>>>
>>>>> Galder, perhaps you'd like to update the usage at the Basque Wikipedia
>>>>> (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID) so as to help
>>>>> centralize and coordinate our efforts?
>>>>> Some technical notes:
>>>>> - I simplified the code considerably using the pre-built methods
>>>>> OO.ui.alert and OO.ui.confirm rather than those complicated (and
>>>>> unnecessary, in this case) OOUI classes. I hope you like it.
>>>>> - I wrapped the code with an "OWID" object to keep it out of the
>>>>> global space and make sure the 'oojs-ui-windows' dependency is always
>>>>> loaded.
>>>>> - The localized messages should probably be moved to their own JSON
>>>>> file and loaded from there, but I'm not sure about the best way to do that
>>>>> while keep it template gadgets centralized at MediaWiki.org, and possibly
>>>>> having the strings translated by translatewiki.net. Perhaps we can
>>>>> set up a call to discuss some options?
>>>>>
>>>>> PS, I enabled the template on the Spanish Wikipedia (see
>>>>> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:OWID) but we're having some
>>>>> local trouble with template gadgets so it's not working right now. I should
>>>>> be able to fix it in the next few hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 6:34?PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>>>>> galder158@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, James, for all the work done,
>>>>>> We now have 14 articles with interactive graphs, as we are exploring
>>>>>> this new feature:
>>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Our_World_in_Data_grafikoak_dituzten_artikuluak.
>>>>>> The deployment is pretty easy, it took around 10 minutes with only four
>>>>>> things: a template, a css, a js and a gadget definition. This is so simple,
>>>>>> that I think it should be implemented by everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should think on how we make it multilingual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again to all the members of WikiProject Med for the step
>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Galder
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:14 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we
>>>>>> are doing it wrong
>>>>>> We have Interactive graphs from OWID working on Basque Wikipedia,
>>>>>> following a consent popup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurdunaldi#Nerabezaroa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still need to figure out a way to make them multilingual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> James Heilman
>>>>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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>>>
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>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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>
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the data-viz world, run by a small team, advancing what it means to
effectively convey the sum of current knowledge on a topic. We should
actively support them however possible.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:38?PM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> As per the last input by James Heilman regarding multilingualism:
>
> Whatever translations we could implement in the interactive graphs that
> may imply some kind of a “mirroring back” to OWID, is a win-win for both
> projects and for the sake of free knowledge. Considering the relevance of
> OWID in academic environments, it would be great that our efforts in
> adapting them on-wiki for our articles can revert to a better language
> accessibility there as well.
>
> Salutacions/Kind regards,
>
> Xavier Dengra
>
> As per the latest input by James
> El dc, 17 abr., 2024 a 22:41, James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com
> <El+dc,+17+abr.,+2024+a+22:41,+James+Heilman+%3C%3Ca+href=>> va escriure:
>
> Was involved in 2019 with loading the datasets that form these graphs
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:CO2PerCapita.tab> onto Commons.
> And then we were using these data sets within our currently dead graph
> tool <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/OurWorld>. While we
> got it to work, sort of, it was never nearly as nice as what OWID does. For
> example our tool could not "zoom in" to Europe.
>
> With respect to offline use, the still images are offline functional
> within ZIMs for Kiwix, but yes the interactive graphs are not functional in
> these ZIMs/offline.
>
> The graphs actually work beautifully on mobile web. Not sure about the
> Wikipedia app.
>
> All of OWIDs source code is open source and we could definitely look at
> pulling it into our ecosystem. We already made a copy of it with a number
> of modifications at https://owidm.wmcloud.org/ Another major benefit to
> bringing it in house is that we would have greater control over making it
> multilingual (that was one of the reasons we looked at the mirror).
>
> Another strategy could be to look at a partnership with OWID for these
> specific 4,500 graphics. We could help them become more multilingual, with
> an agreement around our reuse / mirroring their site on production servers.
> Plus we could feedback other datasets to be graphed for either of our use.
>
> James
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:22?PM Brooke Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Note that a third-party web service is not ideal; in addition to the
>> issues of tracking and privacy, it can't work offline and likely would
>> require additional work to get the graphics working on mobile web, mobile
>> apps, and offline (kiwix etc). Integrating fully with a self-contained
>> service that is supported by our whole ecosystem and maintained in the
>> future would be desirable in the work I'd like to make sure we do on
>> multimedia.
>>
>> -- brooke
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:59?PM James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A bit more background on Our World in Data.
>>>
>>> They currently have about 4,500 data visualization
>>> https://ourworldindata.org/charts
>>>
>>> They come in two main formats:
>>>
>>> 1) Grapher: These are simpler and their older work
>>> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-substance-disorders
>>> 2) Explorers: These are newer with more ways to adjust data
>>> https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/natural-resources
>>>
>>> Both of these work via the consent pop up workflow.
>>>
>>> We last coordinated the mass upload of still images from OWID to Commons
>>> in 2020. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data
>>> And are beginning to look at doing an update. One thought as part of this
>>> update would be to include within the commons page the mediawiki markup
>>> needed to have the consent pop up work in target languages that have it
>>> activated.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:29?PM Brooke Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is exciting -- let's make sure we capture any usage requirements
>>>> for the upcoming Graphs modernization work so we can have these features
>>>> built in again soon!
>>>>
>>>> -- brooke
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:43?AM Felipe Schenone <schenonef@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Amazing work, James and Galder!
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I was bold, made it fully multilingual and generalized it so
>>>>> that it can be easily installed in any wiki (Wikimedia or not).
>>>>> See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID for the documentation
>>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-OWID.js for the
>>>>> code
>>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadgets for more context
>>>>>
>>>>> Galder, perhaps you'd like to update the usage at the Basque Wikipedia
>>>>> (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID) so as to help
>>>>> centralize and coordinate our efforts?
>>>>> Some technical notes:
>>>>> - I simplified the code considerably using the pre-built methods
>>>>> OO.ui.alert and OO.ui.confirm rather than those complicated (and
>>>>> unnecessary, in this case) OOUI classes. I hope you like it.
>>>>> - I wrapped the code with an "OWID" object to keep it out of the
>>>>> global space and make sure the 'oojs-ui-windows' dependency is always
>>>>> loaded.
>>>>> - The localized messages should probably be moved to their own JSON
>>>>> file and loaded from there, but I'm not sure about the best way to do that
>>>>> while keep it template gadgets centralized at MediaWiki.org, and possibly
>>>>> having the strings translated by translatewiki.net. Perhaps we can
>>>>> set up a call to discuss some options?
>>>>>
>>>>> PS, I enabled the template on the Spanish Wikipedia (see
>>>>> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:OWID) but we're having some
>>>>> local trouble with template gadgets so it's not working right now. I should
>>>>> be able to fix it in the next few hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 6:34?PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>>>>> galder158@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, James, for all the work done,
>>>>>> We now have 14 articles with interactive graphs, as we are exploring
>>>>>> this new feature:
>>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Our_World_in_Data_grafikoak_dituzten_artikuluak.
>>>>>> The deployment is pretty easy, it took around 10 minutes with only four
>>>>>> things: a template, a css, a js and a gadget definition. This is so simple,
>>>>>> that I think it should be implemented by everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should think on how we make it multilingual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again to all the members of WikiProject Med for the step
>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Galder
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:14 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we
>>>>>> are doing it wrong
>>>>>> We have Interactive graphs from OWID working on Basque Wikipedia,
>>>>>> following a consent popup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurdunaldi#Nerabezaroa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still need to figure out a way to make them multilingual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> James Heilman
>>>>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org,
>>>>>> guidelines at:
>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
>>>>>> Public archives at
>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/MFERHIM5S5BNJCM52YYB2Q6T7FO3ZLAL/
>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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