Was involved in 2019 with loading the datasets that form these graphs
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:CO2PerCapita.tab> onto Commons.
And then we were using these data sets within our currently dead graph tool
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/OurWorld>. While we got it to
work, sort of, it was never nearly as nice as what OWID does. For example
our tool could not "zoom in" to Europe.
With respect to offline use, the still images are offline functional within
ZIMs for Kiwix, but yes the interactive graphs are not functional in these
ZIMs/offline.
The graphs actually work beautifully on mobile web. Not sure about the
Wikipedia app.
All of OWIDs source code is open source and we could definitely look at
pulling it into our ecosystem. We already made a copy of it with a number
of modifications at https://owidm.wmcloud.org/ Another major benefit to
bringing it in house is that we would have greater control over making it
multilingual (that was one of the reasons we looked at the mirror).
Another strategy could be to look at a partnership with OWID for these
specific 4,500 graphics. We could help them become more multilingual, with
an agreement around our reuse / mirroring their site on production servers.
Plus we could feedback other datasets to be graphed for either of our use.
James
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:22?PM Brooke Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Note that a third-party web service is not ideal; in addition to the
> issues of tracking and privacy, it can't work offline and likely would
> require additional work to get the graphics working on mobile web, mobile
> apps, and offline (kiwix etc). Integrating fully with a self-contained
> service that is supported by our whole ecosystem and maintained in the
> future would be desirable in the work I'd like to make sure we do on
> multimedia.
>
> -- brooke
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:59?PM James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A bit more background on Our World in Data.
>>
>> They currently have about 4,500 data visualization
>> https://ourworldindata.org/charts
>>
>> They come in two main formats:
>>
>> 1) Grapher: These are simpler and their older work
>> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-substance-disorders
>> 2) Explorers: These are newer with more ways to adjust data
>> https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/natural-resources
>>
>> Both of these work via the consent pop up workflow.
>>
>> We last coordinated the mass upload of still images from OWID to Commons
>> in 2020. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data
>> And are beginning to look at doing an update. One thought as part of this
>> update would be to include within the commons page the mediawiki markup
>> needed to have the consent pop up work in target languages that have it
>> activated.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:29?PM Brooke Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is exciting -- let's make sure we capture any usage requirements
>>> for the upcoming Graphs modernization work so we can have these features
>>> built in again soon!
>>>
>>> -- brooke
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:43?AM Felipe Schenone <schenonef@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amazing work, James and Galder!
>>>>
>>>> Today I was bold, made it fully multilingual and generalized it so that
>>>> it can be easily installed in any wiki (Wikimedia or not).
>>>> See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID for the documentation
>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-OWID.js for the
>>>> code
>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadgets for more context
>>>>
>>>> Galder, perhaps you'd like to update the usage at the Basque Wikipedia
>>>> (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID) so as to help
>>>> centralize and coordinate our efforts?
>>>> Some technical notes:
>>>> - I simplified the code considerably using the pre-built methods
>>>> OO.ui.alert and OO.ui.confirm rather than those complicated (and
>>>> unnecessary, in this case) OOUI classes. I hope you like it.
>>>> - I wrapped the code with an "OWID" object to keep it out of the global
>>>> space and make sure the 'oojs-ui-windows' dependency is always loaded.
>>>> - The localized messages should probably be moved to their own JSON
>>>> file and loaded from there, but I'm not sure about the best way to do that
>>>> while keep it template gadgets centralized at MediaWiki.org, and possibly
>>>> having the strings translated by translatewiki.net. Perhaps we can set
>>>> up a call to discuss some options?
>>>>
>>>> PS, I enabled the template on the Spanish Wikipedia (see
>>>> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:OWID) but we're having some
>>>> local trouble with template gadgets so it's not working right now. I should
>>>> be able to fix it in the next few hours.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 6:34?PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>>>> galder158@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, James, for all the work done,
>>>>> We now have 14 articles with interactive graphs, as we are exploring
>>>>> this new feature:
>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Our_World_in_Data_grafikoak_dituzten_artikuluak.
>>>>> The deployment is pretty easy, it took around 10 minutes with only four
>>>>> things: a template, a css, a js and a gadget definition. This is so simple,
>>>>> that I think it should be implemented by everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should think on how we make it multilingual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again to all the members of WikiProject Med for the step
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> Galder
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:14 PM
>>>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are
>>>>> doing it wrong
>>>>>
>>>>> We have Interactive graphs from OWID working on Basque Wikipedia,
>>>>> following a consent popup.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurdunaldi#Nerabezaroa
>>>>>
>>>>> Still need to figure out a way to make them multilingual.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> James Heilman
>>>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data:CO2PerCapita.tab> onto Commons.
And then we were using these data sets within our currently dead graph tool
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/OurWorld>. While we got it to
work, sort of, it was never nearly as nice as what OWID does. For example
our tool could not "zoom in" to Europe.
With respect to offline use, the still images are offline functional within
ZIMs for Kiwix, but yes the interactive graphs are not functional in these
ZIMs/offline.
The graphs actually work beautifully on mobile web. Not sure about the
Wikipedia app.
All of OWIDs source code is open source and we could definitely look at
pulling it into our ecosystem. We already made a copy of it with a number
of modifications at https://owidm.wmcloud.org/ Another major benefit to
bringing it in house is that we would have greater control over making it
multilingual (that was one of the reasons we looked at the mirror).
Another strategy could be to look at a partnership with OWID for these
specific 4,500 graphics. We could help them become more multilingual, with
an agreement around our reuse / mirroring their site on production servers.
Plus we could feedback other datasets to be graphed for either of our use.
James
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:22?PM Brooke Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Note that a third-party web service is not ideal; in addition to the
> issues of tracking and privacy, it can't work offline and likely would
> require additional work to get the graphics working on mobile web, mobile
> apps, and offline (kiwix etc). Integrating fully with a self-contained
> service that is supported by our whole ecosystem and maintained in the
> future would be desirable in the work I'd like to make sure we do on
> multimedia.
>
> -- brooke
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:59?PM James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A bit more background on Our World in Data.
>>
>> They currently have about 4,500 data visualization
>> https://ourworldindata.org/charts
>>
>> They come in two main formats:
>>
>> 1) Grapher: These are simpler and their older work
>> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-substance-disorders
>> 2) Explorers: These are newer with more ways to adjust data
>> https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/natural-resources
>>
>> Both of these work via the consent pop up workflow.
>>
>> We last coordinated the mass upload of still images from OWID to Commons
>> in 2020. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Our_World_in_Data
>> And are beginning to look at doing an update. One thought as part of this
>> update would be to include within the commons page the mediawiki markup
>> needed to have the consent pop up work in target languages that have it
>> activated.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:29?PM Brooke Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is exciting -- let's make sure we capture any usage requirements
>>> for the upcoming Graphs modernization work so we can have these features
>>> built in again soon!
>>>
>>> -- brooke
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:43?AM Felipe Schenone <schenonef@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amazing work, James and Galder!
>>>>
>>>> Today I was bold, made it fully multilingual and generalized it so that
>>>> it can be easily installed in any wiki (Wikimedia or not).
>>>> See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID for the documentation
>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-OWID.js for the
>>>> code
>>>> and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template_gadgets for more context
>>>>
>>>> Galder, perhaps you'd like to update the usage at the Basque Wikipedia
>>>> (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:OWID) so as to help
>>>> centralize and coordinate our efforts?
>>>> Some technical notes:
>>>> - I simplified the code considerably using the pre-built methods
>>>> OO.ui.alert and OO.ui.confirm rather than those complicated (and
>>>> unnecessary, in this case) OOUI classes. I hope you like it.
>>>> - I wrapped the code with an "OWID" object to keep it out of the global
>>>> space and make sure the 'oojs-ui-windows' dependency is always loaded.
>>>> - The localized messages should probably be moved to their own JSON
>>>> file and loaded from there, but I'm not sure about the best way to do that
>>>> while keep it template gadgets centralized at MediaWiki.org, and possibly
>>>> having the strings translated by translatewiki.net. Perhaps we can set
>>>> up a call to discuss some options?
>>>>
>>>> PS, I enabled the template on the Spanish Wikipedia (see
>>>> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:OWID) but we're having some
>>>> local trouble with template gadgets so it's not working right now. I should
>>>> be able to fix it in the next few hours.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 6:34?PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>>>> galder158@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, James, for all the work done,
>>>>> We now have 14 articles with interactive graphs, as we are exploring
>>>>> this new feature:
>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Our_World_in_Data_grafikoak_dituzten_artikuluak.
>>>>> The deployment is pretty easy, it took around 10 minutes with only four
>>>>> things: a template, a css, a js and a gadget definition. This is so simple,
>>>>> that I think it should be implemented by everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should think on how we make it multilingual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again to all the members of WikiProject Med for the step
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> Galder
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:14 PM
>>>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are
>>>>> doing it wrong
>>>>>
>>>>> We have Interactive graphs from OWID working on Basque Wikipedia,
>>>>> following a consent popup.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurdunaldi#Nerabezaroa
>>>>>
>>>>> Still need to figure out a way to make them multilingual.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> James Heilman
>>>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org,
>>>>> guidelines at:
>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
>>>>> Public archives at
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>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>
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>>
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>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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