Dear All,
I can easily find two recent discussions which touch the topic of video on
Commons:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2023/12#Prioritizing_our_technical_needs
and
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Requests_for_comment/Technical_needs_survey#No_objection,_but.
..
I am sure there were more.
I do not know whether videos can be embedded externally, but images
certainly can. I for example embed them in my blog (random example:
https://ymblanter.dreamwidth.org/146913.html; the text is in Russian which
is irrelevant for my point). I have been doing this for years and never
encountered any issues.
Best
Yaroslav
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:00?AM Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kaya
>
> I'd like to my perspective from wikimania side the amount of effort
> volunteers and time to bring every session alive on commons is all
> consuming yes YouTube is the best place to put that content. It gets
> harder the smaller the event is. Video needs to be addresses as a priority
> along with issues raise by galder. Simple mp4 upload option would be a
> starting point, surely we are big enough for any copyright holders to
> donate the licensing if wmf comes made a request
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 2:44 pm Mrb Rafi, <mrbrafi1971@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 to Galder.
>>
>> Sharing a current situation.
>>
>> A significant number of non wikimedian photographers participate in the
>> wiki loves X campaigns and since the upload process in commons is complex
>> than any other site, most of them feel lost and don't retain.
>>
>> We are arranging wiki loves folklore in Bangladesh this year and we have
>> prepared a handbook for the participants considering the above situation.
>> The handbook has been uploaded to commons and now we're receiving feedback
>> that our participants are feeling lost after visiting the description page,
>> they can't decide how to view the pdf.
>>
>> Wikimedia commons needs a user friendly and intuitive pdf viewer asap.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rafi
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 4:24 AM Ivan Martínez <galaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Yaroslav, I would very much appreciate a link to the
>>> discussion.
>>> By not having a Youtube 2.0 we are avoiding a Wikipedia 2.0 with pure
>>> encyclopaedic videos. I see a false dilemma there.
>>>
>>> El mar, 23 ene 2024 a las 16:03, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga (<
>>> galder158@hotmail.com>) escribió:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone for your comments.
>>>> We don't need to worry about Commons being "Youtube 2.0", because we
>>>> can't embed Commons video outside. Furthermore, we can't even embed Commons
>>>> images or videos in Diff, because oEmbed is not working for Commons and
>>>> Wordpress can't take directly images or videos from Commons. This has been
>>>> known since... 2010!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T27854
>>>> - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T309101
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, the problem is not about this code or that specific piece of
>>>> code. The problem is lack of direction, ambition and goals.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Galder
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2024 10:49 PM
>>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are
>>>> doing it wrong
>>>>
>>>> Yes we see this sentiment regarding a number of issues in our movement.
>>>> The existing community wants to keep certain processes more difficult /
>>>> time consuming to make sure that those involved in the process are
>>>> sufficiently "dedicated".
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we just need a flag which can be given to allow certain folks we
>>>> trust to use an easier process or only allow video upload by people with so
>>>> many edits which can be removed if they misuse it?
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 2:38?PM Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Specifically related to video uploads, we had discussions on Commons on
>>>> different strategic issues recently, in particular, about this. The general
>>>> sentiment was, to my understanding (pls correct me if I am wrong) that
>>>> Commons has no ambition to become Youtube 2.0 and we do not have any
>>>> resources for this. If video upload is encouraged, very strict policies
>>>> must be in force concerning of what is in the scope of Commons.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Yaroslav
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:05?PM Brion Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Converting them to suitably compact files in h.264/aac in .MP4 format
>>>> would be by far the simplest way. Use ffmpeg as we do on the server side
>>>> for online playback.
>>>>
>>>> Conforming to the arbitrary Wikimedia prohibition on h.264 you could
>>>> use mpeg-4 visual instead, still in .mp4 - afaik patents are expired and
>>>> it'll play in standalone files (not in HLS)
>>>>
>>>> If you jump through enough hoops you might get vp9 working in HLS
>>>> offline, but adaptive streaming may be irrelevant to offline use.
>>>>
>>>> -- brion
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 12:52?PM James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It would be amazing if one could play videos on iPhones when the videos
>>>> are within ZIMs in an offline environment aswell. Brion not sure what
>>>> barriers there are to this currently?
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 12:48?PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
>>>> paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Should read 2030 Strategy, not 2023 strategy, sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta@gmail.com> escreveu (terça,
>>>> 23/01/2024 à(s) 19:41):
>>>>
>>>> I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. We are currently grappling
>>>> with rather rudimentary approaches when it comes to uploading and reusing
>>>> video and music files...
>>>> The incredibly useful Graph has been down for quite some time. The
>>>> extensive capabilities of Wikidata query representations, particularly with
>>>> geolocated data on maps, appear to have barely scratched the surface.
>>>> Listeria frequently experiences issues and underwent a major update that
>>>> disrupted previous queries.
>>>>
>>>> On a personal note, I attempted to create a dynamic digital library of
>>>> works under a free license using Wikidata for our Digital Humanistics
>>>> centre. However, I discovered that with the available tools, I would need
>>>> to code the presentation myself, as the options for reuse outside of
>>>> Wikidata were very basic.
>>>>
>>>> On the whole, the Wikipedia experience remains challenging, especially
>>>> for newcomers. The much wanted Visual Editor developments and improvements
>>>> seem to have stopped years ago. The recent changes made by the 'Desktop
>>>> Improvement' team to the default Wikipedia skin seem to be more geared
>>>> towards readers than editors and have apparently worsened the overall
>>>> experience, according to feedback I've received from newcomers.
>>>>
>>>> These are just a few instances that have underscored, and continue to
>>>> underscore, my belief that we are likely not on the path towards achieving
>>>> the objectives outlined in the 2023 Strategy.
>>>>
>>>> My personal impression is that the issue doesn't necessarily stem from
>>>> a lack of funding to pursue these objectives but rather from the
>>>> ineffective expenditure and allocation of those funds. I wish I knew how to
>>>> contribute to changing or improving this situation.
>>>> It would also be great to see a comment/opinion from current CEO
>>>> Maryana Iskander on this state of affairs, and if there is some roadmap for
>>>> improving it.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Paulo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder158@hotmail.com> escreveu (terça,
>>>> 23/01/2024 à(s) 11:03):
>>>>
>>>> Dear wikimedians,
>>>> Nearly one year ago, the Graphs extension was disabled from all wikis,
>>>> because there was a security issue that should be solved (
>>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940). A wide team from the WMF
>>>> worked on a solution for some weeks, but after Northern Hemisphere spring
>>>> ended, summer came, then the monsoon season, and now it is again summer in
>>>> the Southern Hemisphere... and Graphs are still disabled. All the solutions
>>>> proposed have been dismissed, but every two months there's a proposal to
>>>> make a new roadmap to solve the issue. We have plenty of roadmaps, but no
>>>> vehicle to reach our destination.
>>>>
>>>> Seven years ago, we were discussing our Strategy for 2030. We used
>>>> thousands of volunteer hours, thousands of staff hours and millions of
>>>> dollars to build a really well-balanced strategy. There we concluded that "*By
>>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem
>>>> of free knowledge*". We also made some recommendations to improve the
>>>> User Experience (
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Improve_User_Experience)
>>>> and claimed that we wanted to Innovate in Free Knowledge (
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Innovate_in_Free_Knowledge).
>>>> Well, the situation is now worse than it was seven years ago, let me give
>>>> some examples:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Graph extension is used in thousands of pages, some of them
>>>> highly relevant, as COVID or Climate Change information. There are
>>>> thousands of graphs broken now, and the only partial solution give is
>>>> loading these graphs as images, instead of promoting an interactive
>>>> solution.
>>>> - Meanwhile, a place like Our World in Data has been publishing
>>>> data and interactive content with a compatible license for years.
>>>> (Remember, "*By 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential
>>>> infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge*"). Trying to add
>>>> this data and graphs to Wikimedia projects has been done by WikiMed, and it
>>>> is technically possible, but still blocked to deploy (
>>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T303853).
>>>> - Wolfram Alpha is like a light year ahead us on giving interactive
>>>> solutions to knowledge questions, even the silliest ones (
>>>> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=how+many+oranges+fit+in+the+Earth%3F).
>>>> We have good technical articles about a lot of things, but sometimes "*becoming
>>>> the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge*"
>>>> needs to provide solutions to exact problems, like the answer to an
>>>> equation, and how to solve it. That's also "free knowledge".
>>>> - Brilliant (https://brilliant.org/) is brilliant if you want to
>>>> learn lots of things, like geometry or programming. Way better than
>>>> Wikipedia. But... you need to pay for it. How could we even try if we can't
>>>> add anything interactive to our platforms?
>>>> - We can build interactive timelines using Wikidata, but we can't
>>>> embed them at Wikipedia. Weird, because I can do it in any external page.
>>>> Hopefully, Histropedia will do it better. http://histropedia.com/
>>>> <http://histropedia.com/>
>>>> - We could have something very special: inline links in video and
>>>> audio subtitles. We used to have them, but the new video infrastructure
>>>> doesn't allow it. Imagine a world where you can watch a video and link a
>>>> link in the subtitles just to know more about that.
>>>> - ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The list can go on an on ("which phase the moon is today?"), but I
>>>> think that the idea is clear. We could have interactive content, but we are
>>>> going in the opposite direction, and every year we are further from our
>>>> goal, because other platforms are doing it better, way better. And this
>>>> seems like some wild ideas, but then I read the 2023-2024 annual plan
>>>> section called "Wiki Experiences" (
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Goals/Infrastructure#Bucket:_Wiki_Experiences)
>>>> and it looks like we should be going there. But we aren't.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry if this e-mail feels bitter. My experience in the last years
>>>> is that we are now further of what we need that we were before, even if
>>>> many chapters and volunteers are trying to overturn it.
>>>>
>>>> Thank to everyone who have been trying.
>>>>
>>>> Galder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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I can easily find two recent discussions which touch the topic of video on
Commons:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2023/12#Prioritizing_our_technical_needs
and
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Requests_for_comment/Technical_needs_survey#No_objection,_but.
..
I am sure there were more.
I do not know whether videos can be embedded externally, but images
certainly can. I for example embed them in my blog (random example:
https://ymblanter.dreamwidth.org/146913.html; the text is in Russian which
is irrelevant for my point). I have been doing this for years and never
encountered any issues.
Best
Yaroslav
On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 8:00?AM Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kaya
>
> I'd like to my perspective from wikimania side the amount of effort
> volunteers and time to bring every session alive on commons is all
> consuming yes YouTube is the best place to put that content. It gets
> harder the smaller the event is. Video needs to be addresses as a priority
> along with issues raise by galder. Simple mp4 upload option would be a
> starting point, surely we are big enough for any copyright holders to
> donate the licensing if wmf comes made a request
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 2:44 pm Mrb Rafi, <mrbrafi1971@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 to Galder.
>>
>> Sharing a current situation.
>>
>> A significant number of non wikimedian photographers participate in the
>> wiki loves X campaigns and since the upload process in commons is complex
>> than any other site, most of them feel lost and don't retain.
>>
>> We are arranging wiki loves folklore in Bangladesh this year and we have
>> prepared a handbook for the participants considering the above situation.
>> The handbook has been uploaded to commons and now we're receiving feedback
>> that our participants are feeling lost after visiting the description page,
>> they can't decide how to view the pdf.
>>
>> Wikimedia commons needs a user friendly and intuitive pdf viewer asap.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rafi
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 4:24 AM Ivan Martínez <galaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Yaroslav, I would very much appreciate a link to the
>>> discussion.
>>> By not having a Youtube 2.0 we are avoiding a Wikipedia 2.0 with pure
>>> encyclopaedic videos. I see a false dilemma there.
>>>
>>> El mar, 23 ene 2024 a las 16:03, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga (<
>>> galder158@hotmail.com>) escribió:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone for your comments.
>>>> We don't need to worry about Commons being "Youtube 2.0", because we
>>>> can't embed Commons video outside. Furthermore, we can't even embed Commons
>>>> images or videos in Diff, because oEmbed is not working for Commons and
>>>> Wordpress can't take directly images or videos from Commons. This has been
>>>> known since... 2010!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T27854
>>>> - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T309101
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, the problem is not about this code or that specific piece of
>>>> code. The problem is lack of direction, ambition and goals.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Galder
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2024 10:49 PM
>>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are
>>>> doing it wrong
>>>>
>>>> Yes we see this sentiment regarding a number of issues in our movement.
>>>> The existing community wants to keep certain processes more difficult /
>>>> time consuming to make sure that those involved in the process are
>>>> sufficiently "dedicated".
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we just need a flag which can be given to allow certain folks we
>>>> trust to use an easier process or only allow video upload by people with so
>>>> many edits which can be removed if they misuse it?
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 2:38?PM Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Specifically related to video uploads, we had discussions on Commons on
>>>> different strategic issues recently, in particular, about this. The general
>>>> sentiment was, to my understanding (pls correct me if I am wrong) that
>>>> Commons has no ambition to become Youtube 2.0 and we do not have any
>>>> resources for this. If video upload is encouraged, very strict policies
>>>> must be in force concerning of what is in the scope of Commons.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Yaroslav
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:05?PM Brion Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Converting them to suitably compact files in h.264/aac in .MP4 format
>>>> would be by far the simplest way. Use ffmpeg as we do on the server side
>>>> for online playback.
>>>>
>>>> Conforming to the arbitrary Wikimedia prohibition on h.264 you could
>>>> use mpeg-4 visual instead, still in .mp4 - afaik patents are expired and
>>>> it'll play in standalone files (not in HLS)
>>>>
>>>> If you jump through enough hoops you might get vp9 working in HLS
>>>> offline, but adaptive streaming may be irrelevant to offline use.
>>>>
>>>> -- brion
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 12:52?PM James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It would be amazing if one could play videos on iPhones when the videos
>>>> are within ZIMs in an offline environment aswell. Brion not sure what
>>>> barriers there are to this currently?
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 12:48?PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
>>>> paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Should read 2030 Strategy, not 2023 strategy, sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta@gmail.com> escreveu (terça,
>>>> 23/01/2024 à(s) 19:41):
>>>>
>>>> I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. We are currently grappling
>>>> with rather rudimentary approaches when it comes to uploading and reusing
>>>> video and music files...
>>>> The incredibly useful Graph has been down for quite some time. The
>>>> extensive capabilities of Wikidata query representations, particularly with
>>>> geolocated data on maps, appear to have barely scratched the surface.
>>>> Listeria frequently experiences issues and underwent a major update that
>>>> disrupted previous queries.
>>>>
>>>> On a personal note, I attempted to create a dynamic digital library of
>>>> works under a free license using Wikidata for our Digital Humanistics
>>>> centre. However, I discovered that with the available tools, I would need
>>>> to code the presentation myself, as the options for reuse outside of
>>>> Wikidata were very basic.
>>>>
>>>> On the whole, the Wikipedia experience remains challenging, especially
>>>> for newcomers. The much wanted Visual Editor developments and improvements
>>>> seem to have stopped years ago. The recent changes made by the 'Desktop
>>>> Improvement' team to the default Wikipedia skin seem to be more geared
>>>> towards readers than editors and have apparently worsened the overall
>>>> experience, according to feedback I've received from newcomers.
>>>>
>>>> These are just a few instances that have underscored, and continue to
>>>> underscore, my belief that we are likely not on the path towards achieving
>>>> the objectives outlined in the 2023 Strategy.
>>>>
>>>> My personal impression is that the issue doesn't necessarily stem from
>>>> a lack of funding to pursue these objectives but rather from the
>>>> ineffective expenditure and allocation of those funds. I wish I knew how to
>>>> contribute to changing or improving this situation.
>>>> It would also be great to see a comment/opinion from current CEO
>>>> Maryana Iskander on this state of affairs, and if there is some roadmap for
>>>> improving it.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Paulo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder158@hotmail.com> escreveu (terça,
>>>> 23/01/2024 à(s) 11:03):
>>>>
>>>> Dear wikimedians,
>>>> Nearly one year ago, the Graphs extension was disabled from all wikis,
>>>> because there was a security issue that should be solved (
>>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940). A wide team from the WMF
>>>> worked on a solution for some weeks, but after Northern Hemisphere spring
>>>> ended, summer came, then the monsoon season, and now it is again summer in
>>>> the Southern Hemisphere... and Graphs are still disabled. All the solutions
>>>> proposed have been dismissed, but every two months there's a proposal to
>>>> make a new roadmap to solve the issue. We have plenty of roadmaps, but no
>>>> vehicle to reach our destination.
>>>>
>>>> Seven years ago, we were discussing our Strategy for 2030. We used
>>>> thousands of volunteer hours, thousands of staff hours and millions of
>>>> dollars to build a really well-balanced strategy. There we concluded that "*By
>>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem
>>>> of free knowledge*". We also made some recommendations to improve the
>>>> User Experience (
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Improve_User_Experience)
>>>> and claimed that we wanted to Innovate in Free Knowledge (
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Innovate_in_Free_Knowledge).
>>>> Well, the situation is now worse than it was seven years ago, let me give
>>>> some examples:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Graph extension is used in thousands of pages, some of them
>>>> highly relevant, as COVID or Climate Change information. There are
>>>> thousands of graphs broken now, and the only partial solution give is
>>>> loading these graphs as images, instead of promoting an interactive
>>>> solution.
>>>> - Meanwhile, a place like Our World in Data has been publishing
>>>> data and interactive content with a compatible license for years.
>>>> (Remember, "*By 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential
>>>> infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge*"). Trying to add
>>>> this data and graphs to Wikimedia projects has been done by WikiMed, and it
>>>> is technically possible, but still blocked to deploy (
>>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T303853).
>>>> - Wolfram Alpha is like a light year ahead us on giving interactive
>>>> solutions to knowledge questions, even the silliest ones (
>>>> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=how+many+oranges+fit+in+the+Earth%3F).
>>>> We have good technical articles about a lot of things, but sometimes "*becoming
>>>> the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge*"
>>>> needs to provide solutions to exact problems, like the answer to an
>>>> equation, and how to solve it. That's also "free knowledge".
>>>> - Brilliant (https://brilliant.org/) is brilliant if you want to
>>>> learn lots of things, like geometry or programming. Way better than
>>>> Wikipedia. But... you need to pay for it. How could we even try if we can't
>>>> add anything interactive to our platforms?
>>>> - We can build interactive timelines using Wikidata, but we can't
>>>> embed them at Wikipedia. Weird, because I can do it in any external page.
>>>> Hopefully, Histropedia will do it better. http://histropedia.com/
>>>> <http://histropedia.com/>
>>>> - We could have something very special: inline links in video and
>>>> audio subtitles. We used to have them, but the new video infrastructure
>>>> doesn't allow it. Imagine a world where you can watch a video and link a
>>>> link in the subtitles just to know more about that.
>>>> - ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The list can go on an on ("which phase the moon is today?"), but I
>>>> think that the idea is clear. We could have interactive content, but we are
>>>> going in the opposite direction, and every year we are further from our
>>>> goal, because other platforms are doing it better, way better. And this
>>>> seems like some wild ideas, but then I read the 2023-2024 annual plan
>>>> section called "Wiki Experiences" (
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Goals/Infrastructure#Bucket:_Wiki_Experiences)
>>>> and it looks like we should be going there. But we aren't.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry if this e-mail feels bitter. My experience in the last years
>>>> is that we are now further of what we need that we were before, even if
>>>> many chapters and volunteers are trying to overturn it.
>>>>
>>>> Thank to everyone who have been trying.
>>>>
>>>> Galder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> *Iván Martínez*
>>>
>>> *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid *
>>>
>>> // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una
>>> moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado.
>>> // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora:
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