Agreed, there is a *lot* we could do if there were resources assigned to
interactive media.
-- brion
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:29?AM James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Galder
>
> As mentioned Wiki Project Med is working to improve some of these issues
> this year, supported by funding from the WMF.
>
> 1) We are still trying to get OWID working on Wikipedia. Here is what it
> looks like on MDWiki <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID>.
>
> 2) We are also working on a CT scan viewer that functions better than this
> <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Mesenteric_ischemia/CT_image>.
>
> 3) And are trying to get VideoWiki
> <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:VideoWiki> functional again after
> it died a few years back.
>
> Would love to see MP4s uploadable to Commons. Sure we can auto convert to
> open formats in the background and hide the MP4s until they are fully open,
> but this should be done by us and we should not be forcing our editors to
> use other websites to achieve this.
>
> James
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:47?AM Ivan Martínez <galaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Galder, I certainly share your sentiment. The world is undoubtedly
>> moving at such a speed that other sites have invested millions to make the
>> experience better. But ours has millions as well, and those of us who edit
>> on a day-to-day basis still have the worst internet experience when it
>> comes for an example to editing and uploading photos. Not to mention the
>> long and tortuous road to video uploading (Commons has no decent support
>> for this <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Video>), in the
>> midst of the biggest generational shift in video consumption.
>>
>> There is a phrase in my country that if civil servants were on public
>> transport, we would probably have faster improvements. Will it be the same
>> for us, if we do not have staff who do not face our daily "challenges"?
>>
>> I don't know.
>>
>> El mar, 23 ene 2024 a las 5:03, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga (<
>> galder158@hotmail.com>) escribió:
>>
>>> Dear wikimedians,
>>> Nearly one year ago, the Graphs extension was disabled from all wikis,
>>> because there was a security issue that should be solved (
>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940). A wide team from the WMF
>>> worked on a solution for some weeks, but after Northern Hemisphere spring
>>> ended, summer came, then the monsoon season, and now it is again summer in
>>> the Southern Hemisphere... and Graphs are still disabled. All the solutions
>>> proposed have been dismissed, but every two months there's a proposal to
>>> make a new roadmap to solve the issue. We have plenty of roadmaps, but no
>>> vehicle to reach our destination.
>>>
>>> Seven years ago, we were discussing our Strategy for 2030. We used
>>> thousands of volunteer hours, thousands of staff hours and millions of
>>> dollars to build a really well-balanced strategy. There we concluded that "*By
>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem
>>> of free knowledge*". We also made some recommendations to improve the
>>> User Experience (
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Improve_User_Experience)
>>> and claimed that we wanted to Innovate in Free Knowledge (
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Innovate_in_Free_Knowledge).
>>> Well, the situation is now worse than it was seven years ago, let me give
>>> some examples:
>>>
>>>
>>> - Graph extension is used in thousands of pages, some of them highly
>>> relevant, as COVID or Climate Change information. There are thousands of
>>> graphs broken now, and the only partial solution give is loading these
>>> graphs as images, instead of promoting an interactive solution.
>>> - Meanwhile, a place like Our World in Data has been publishing data
>>> and interactive content with a compatible license for years. (Remember, "*By
>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem
>>> of free knowledge*"). Trying to add this data and graphs to
>>> Wikimedia projects has been done by WikiMed, and it is technically
>>> possible, but still blocked to deploy (
>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T303853).
>>> - Wolfram Alpha is like a light year ahead us on giving interactive
>>> solutions to knowledge questions, even the silliest ones (
>>> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=how+many+oranges+fit+in+the+Earth%3F).
>>> We have good technical articles about a lot of things, but sometimes "*becoming
>>> the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge*"
>>> needs to provide solutions to exact problems, like the answer to an
>>> equation, and how to solve it. That's also "free knowledge".
>>> - Brilliant (https://brilliant.org/) is brilliant if you want to
>>> learn lots of things, like geometry or programming. Way better than
>>> Wikipedia. But... you need to pay for it. How could we even try if we can't
>>> add anything interactive to our platforms?
>>> - We can build interactive timelines using Wikidata, but we can't
>>> embed them at Wikipedia. Weird, because I can do it in any external page.
>>> Hopefully, Histropedia will do it better. http://histropedia.com/
>>> <http://histropedia.com/>
>>> - We could have something very special: inline links in video and
>>> audio subtitles. We used to have them, but the new video infrastructure
>>> doesn't allow it. Imagine a world where you can watch a video and link a
>>> link in the subtitles just to know more about that.
>>> - ...
>>>
>>>
>>> The list can go on an on ("which phase the moon is today?"), but I think
>>> that the idea is clear. We could have interactive content, but we are going
>>> in the opposite direction, and every year we are further from our goal,
>>> because other platforms are doing it better, way better. And this seems
>>> like some wild ideas, but then I read the 2023-2024 annual plan section
>>> called "Wiki Experiences" (
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Goals/Infrastructure#Bucket:_Wiki_Experiences)
>>> and it looks like we should be going there. But we aren't.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry if this e-mail feels bitter. My experience in the last years
>>> is that we are now further of what we need that we were before, even if
>>> many chapters and volunteers are trying to overturn it.
>>>
>>> Thank to everyone who have been trying.
>>>
>>> Galder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *Iván Martínez*
>>
>> *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid *
>>
>> // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una
>> moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado.
>> // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: https://donate.wikimedia.org
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>
>
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interactive media.
-- brion
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:29?AM James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Galder
>
> As mentioned Wiki Project Med is working to improve some of these issues
> this year, supported by funding from the WMF.
>
> 1) We are still trying to get OWID working on Wikipedia. Here is what it
> looks like on MDWiki <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:OWID>.
>
> 2) We are also working on a CT scan viewer that functions better than this
> <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/Mesenteric_ischemia/CT_image>.
>
> 3) And are trying to get VideoWiki
> <https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:VideoWiki> functional again after
> it died a few years back.
>
> Would love to see MP4s uploadable to Commons. Sure we can auto convert to
> open formats in the background and hide the MP4s until they are fully open,
> but this should be done by us and we should not be forcing our editors to
> use other websites to achieve this.
>
> James
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:47?AM Ivan Martínez <galaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Galder, I certainly share your sentiment. The world is undoubtedly
>> moving at such a speed that other sites have invested millions to make the
>> experience better. But ours has millions as well, and those of us who edit
>> on a day-to-day basis still have the worst internet experience when it
>> comes for an example to editing and uploading photos. Not to mention the
>> long and tortuous road to video uploading (Commons has no decent support
>> for this <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Video>), in the
>> midst of the biggest generational shift in video consumption.
>>
>> There is a phrase in my country that if civil servants were on public
>> transport, we would probably have faster improvements. Will it be the same
>> for us, if we do not have staff who do not face our daily "challenges"?
>>
>> I don't know.
>>
>> El mar, 23 ene 2024 a las 5:03, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga (<
>> galder158@hotmail.com>) escribió:
>>
>>> Dear wikimedians,
>>> Nearly one year ago, the Graphs extension was disabled from all wikis,
>>> because there was a security issue that should be solved (
>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940). A wide team from the WMF
>>> worked on a solution for some weeks, but after Northern Hemisphere spring
>>> ended, summer came, then the monsoon season, and now it is again summer in
>>> the Southern Hemisphere... and Graphs are still disabled. All the solutions
>>> proposed have been dismissed, but every two months there's a proposal to
>>> make a new roadmap to solve the issue. We have plenty of roadmaps, but no
>>> vehicle to reach our destination.
>>>
>>> Seven years ago, we were discussing our Strategy for 2030. We used
>>> thousands of volunteer hours, thousands of staff hours and millions of
>>> dollars to build a really well-balanced strategy. There we concluded that "*By
>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem
>>> of free knowledge*". We also made some recommendations to improve the
>>> User Experience (
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Improve_User_Experience)
>>> and claimed that we wanted to Innovate in Free Knowledge (
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Innovate_in_Free_Knowledge).
>>> Well, the situation is now worse than it was seven years ago, let me give
>>> some examples:
>>>
>>>
>>> - Graph extension is used in thousands of pages, some of them highly
>>> relevant, as COVID or Climate Change information. There are thousands of
>>> graphs broken now, and the only partial solution give is loading these
>>> graphs as images, instead of promoting an interactive solution.
>>> - Meanwhile, a place like Our World in Data has been publishing data
>>> and interactive content with a compatible license for years. (Remember, "*By
>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem
>>> of free knowledge*"). Trying to add this data and graphs to
>>> Wikimedia projects has been done by WikiMed, and it is technically
>>> possible, but still blocked to deploy (
>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T303853).
>>> - Wolfram Alpha is like a light year ahead us on giving interactive
>>> solutions to knowledge questions, even the silliest ones (
>>> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=how+many+oranges+fit+in+the+Earth%3F).
>>> We have good technical articles about a lot of things, but sometimes "*becoming
>>> the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge*"
>>> needs to provide solutions to exact problems, like the answer to an
>>> equation, and how to solve it. That's also "free knowledge".
>>> - Brilliant (https://brilliant.org/) is brilliant if you want to
>>> learn lots of things, like geometry or programming. Way better than
>>> Wikipedia. But... you need to pay for it. How could we even try if we can't
>>> add anything interactive to our platforms?
>>> - We can build interactive timelines using Wikidata, but we can't
>>> embed them at Wikipedia. Weird, because I can do it in any external page.
>>> Hopefully, Histropedia will do it better. http://histropedia.com/
>>> <http://histropedia.com/>
>>> - We could have something very special: inline links in video and
>>> audio subtitles. We used to have them, but the new video infrastructure
>>> doesn't allow it. Imagine a world where you can watch a video and link a
>>> link in the subtitles just to know more about that.
>>> - ...
>>>
>>>
>>> The list can go on an on ("which phase the moon is today?"), but I think
>>> that the idea is clear. We could have interactive content, but we are going
>>> in the opposite direction, and every year we are further from our goal,
>>> because other platforms are doing it better, way better. And this seems
>>> like some wild ideas, but then I read the 2023-2024 annual plan section
>>> called "Wiki Experiences" (
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Goals/Infrastructure#Bucket:_Wiki_Experiences)
>>> and it looks like we should be going there. But we aren't.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry if this e-mail feels bitter. My experience in the last years
>>> is that we are now further of what we need that we were before, even if
>>> many chapters and volunteers are trying to overturn it.
>>>
>>> Thank to everyone who have been trying.
>>>
>>> Galder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Iván Martínez*
>>
>> *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid *
>>
>> // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una
>> moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado.
>> // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: https://donate.wikimedia.org
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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> James Heilman
> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> _______________________________________________
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