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Greetings,
Hope this message finds you well. The questions were pretty clear, the
answer was not that much clear to me. However I understand that answers
will be updated once the reports are published, preferably in an inline
answer format.

(A comment in general) I see, these days, more and more questions are taken
from mailing lists to talk pages and are answered there. I'll be very happy
if we use talk pages more to discuss.
But, while a thread is being copied from a mailing list thread to a talk
page, we can perhaps think of a standard procedure.
On thing we may add at the top:
{{Hatnote|1=This was originally posted on [FULL_URL| Wikimedia-l] and is
being answered here for ....}}
This can also be done creating an easy template with a couple of variables
such as
{{Mailing_list_post| list= |posted_by= |date= }}


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> Hi SJ,
>
> We posted an answer to your questions on meta [1] and will update that
> answer when reports become available in the next few months.
>
> Best wishes,
> Julia
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_2030/2021_Call_for_Movement_Strategy_Implementation_Grants#Making_progress_on_questions_of_resource_allocation
>
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 5:51 AM Samuel Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Adam: well put.
>>
>> We may want to translate '*Service and equity*', from recent strategy
>> discussions, more widely: into a range of contexts as well as languages.
>>
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>>
>> On Thu., May 20, 2021, 3:19 a.m. Adam Wight, <adam.wight@wikimedia.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In case there really is a question about whether we should be working
>>> towards greater equity, please see the Wikimedia Foundation's vision
>>> statement [1],
>>>
>>> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
>>> the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment
>>>
>>> and in more detail [2],
>>>
>>> > ... our goal is to impact the largest-possible number of readers and
>>> contributors, and to eliminate barriers that could preclude people from
>>> accessing or contributing to our projects ...
>>>
>>> Since sj's point is in the context of Wikimedia, "goals of increasing
>>> equity across the world, and supporting underrepresented communities"
>>> should be understood as "goals of increasing equity [to read and
>>> contribute to Wikimedia projects] across the world, and supporting
>>> underrepresented [Wikimedia] communities". Please correct me if I've
>>> misunderstood these affiliate review suggestions.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> [[mw:User:Adamw]]
>>>
>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Vision
>>> [2]
>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles#Serving_every_human_being
>>>
>>> On 5/20/21 7:34 AM, Alexander N Krassotkin wrote:
>>> > Dear Samuel,
>>> >
>>> > Just a note...
>>> >
>>> > "The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage
>>> > people around the world to collect and develop educational content
>>> > under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it
>>> > effectively and globally".
>>> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/mission/
>>> >
>>> > But not "increasing equity across the world".
>>> >
>>> > You can create separate funds for this and other good purposes.
>>> >
>>> > sasha.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM Julia Brungs <jbrungs@wikimedia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Dear SJ,
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you very much for your questions here and on meta. We are
>>> working on answering them and will post the answers on meta (don't worry I
>>> will reply to this thread again when the answers are live so people can go
>>> and find them).
>>> >>
>>> >> Best wishes,
>>> >> Julia
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:32 PM Samuel Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> :) Dimi, do you know of reports on subsets of this, for groups and
>>> projects in Europe? I discovered to my delight a beautiful summary of WMF
>>> grants made up to 2020 -- thanks Guillaume! -- which partly answers the
>>> first question. But this does not include donations + external grant
>>> funding that directly supports affiliates.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> One other point -- It was noted that 3a and 3d seem similar. I
>>> updated these Qs on meta to be clearer. I meant:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 3a: What groups do we envision making individual funding
>>> recommendations? [timing, who decides, what constraints]
>>> >>> 3d: How do we envision reviewing how things are going? [peer
>>> feedback on budgets and plans, reflection on the overall balance of funding
>>> across the movement.]
>>> >>>
>>> >>> These inform one another, but are distinct. And the first is more
>>> than just updating current processes: major gaps to fill include funding
>>> for projects under $500, and multi-year funding for infrastructure and
>>> projects -- among the most common requests.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> SJ
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 6:52 AM Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> Hi Samuel,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for structuring these questions regarding funding and
>>> fundraising. I just wanted to pitch in a +1.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> It would be very useful to have answers to some of these for our
>>> public facing work. Such questions pop up naturally in conversations and
>>> the more granular we can be in our answers the better the reaction we get.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Cheers,
>>> >>>> Dimi
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ?? ??, 17.05.2021 ?. ? 21:13 ?. Samuel Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com>
>>> ??????:
>>> >>>>> Dear list,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Risker posed an excellent question in the AffCom thread about
>>> review and development of movement funding, which could use its own
>>> dedicated thread. Riffing on the theme, here are a dozen questions for
>>> anyone who knows part of the answer -- particularly those who helped
>>> develop the 2019 recommendations on resource allocation , the 2020 approach
>>> to hubs and participatory resource allocation, and the grants strategy
>>> relaunch.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> We can move this discussion to meta if the thread becomes
>>> unwieldy. (:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 1. Current state of movement funding
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 1a. Roughly what % of global fundraising is currently allocated
>>> to affiliates, or other entities + projects not run by the WMF? (my poor
>>> guess)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 1b. Roughly how much regional fundraising goes directly to major
>>> affiliates?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 1c. Which affiliates with annual plan grants have been growing
>>> over time, and how is the expansion of existing budgets approved?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 1d. Which affiliates have gotten their first APG in the past
>>> five years, and how has that developed over time?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 2. Current review process
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 2a. How is funding by WMF of movement affiliates (general
>>> operations, and large specific projects) currently determined? Does the
>>> Board engage with this?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 2b. Is the funding of affiliate work linked to goals of
>>> increasing equity across the world, and supporting underrepresented
>>> communities? If so, how / how is this visualized?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 2c. What other mechanisms for focusing and allocating resources
>>> are good examples to replicate?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 2d. What other bilateral projects (such as joint projects, and
>>> grant or microgrant programs), run by large affiliates and hubs other than
>>> the WMF, currently exist? Which seem like examples to replicate?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 3. Desired futures!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 3a. What movement bodies are expected to play any role in
>>> recommendations about funding (extending, withdrawing, denying funding) to
>>> new and existing affiliates, now that the FDC is inactive?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 3b. Is there a possibility of the FDC returning? How do past FDC
>>> members have about this? What was found to be good and bad about the FDC
>>> process?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 3c. What elements of this is the global council expected to
>>> take up in its first year? What elements are hubs expected to take up, now
>>> and in the future?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 3d. What roles do we envision each of {WMF, hubs, affiliates,
>>> community members} to play in reviewing movement budgets/plans and the
>>> volume and focus of future funding [re]allocation?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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