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Hi Littlebtc,

We don't have good numbers for this, unfortunately. I also don't
think they would be very telling, as streaming was not widely promoted
either of the past two years. The right answer will depend largely on
how many people know it is available.

Perhaps you can do a poll of people who expect they would use it; I
would guess that at least 200 streams would be used if available and
well-promoted. If you make remote participation a core element of the
conference, you could attract more interest than that.

--SJ


On 11/21/06, $B>.8$(B <sst.dreams@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone, I am Littlebtc, a member of Wikimania 2007 planning team.
>
> When we talk to sponsors about web streaming sponsorship, they want
> to know how many people will use web streaming to watch the conference
> so that they can help us.
>
> So we'd like to know the amount of web streaming listener, or
> bandwidth of the streaming website during Wikimania 2006.
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I very highly doubt I'd be attending this Wikimania, personally (too big a
trip for me), but for what it's worth, I imagine remote participation and
community awareness of the availability would be the deciding factors, as SJ
said. It might be interesting to set up IRC channel(s) to run along with the
various lectures; with that done, questions could be submitted both by those
attending the sessions, and by those all over the world.

Barring remote participation of some sort, I doubt I'm the only person who's
more inclined to download whatever's available at some later date, and
listen to them all at my own leisure.

-Luna

On 11/21/06, SJ <2.718281828@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Littlebtc,
>
> We don't have good numbers for this, unfortunately. I also don't
> think they would be very telling, as streaming was not widely promoted
> either of the past two years. The right answer will depend largely on
> how many people know it is available.
>
> Perhaps you can do a poll of people who expect they would use it; I
> would guess that at least 200 streams would be used if available and
> well-promoted. If you make remote participation a core element of the
> conference, you could attract more interest than that.
>
> --SJ
>
>
> On 11/21/06, $B>.8$(B <sst.dreams@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello everyone, I am Littlebtc, a member of Wikimania 2007 planning
> team.
> >
> > When we talk to sponsors about web streaming sponsorship, they want
> > to know how many people will use web streaming to watch the conference
> > so that they can help us.
> >
> > So we'd like to know the amount of web streaming listener, or
> > bandwidth of the streaming website during Wikimania 2006.
> > _______________________________________________
> > foundation-l mailing list
> > foundation-l@wikimedia.org
> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >
>
>
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小犬 schreef:
> Hello everyone, I am Littlebtc, a member of Wikimania 2007 planning team.
>
> When we talk to sponsors about web streaming sponsorship, they want
> to know how many people will use web streaming to watch the conference
> so that they can help us.
>
> So we'd like to know the amount of web streaming listener, or
> bandwidth of the streaming website during Wikimania 2006.

I was watching it when it worked.

Regarding the streams I would focus not on the live streams but trying
to get fast after every event the recoding of it online.

For Wikimanina 2006 it was announced several times that there where
recordings made and that the where coming online soon.

At this time these recordings are still not listed on the Wikimania 2006
archive page. What exist is made by people in the audience or recordings
made from the live stream.

I recommend;
- try to get the recordings online between 15 and 60 minutes after every
event online. That is really not difficult.
- give priority on the audio recording above the video recording
- providing a stable distribution channel for the media. Consider bittorrent

For the live stream;
- provide also an audio stream of it
- broadcast it also with peercast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peercast
- The not announced use of RealMedia for the live stream for
Wikimania2006 was very inconvenient.
I understand that if the streaming service is offered for free by
someone it will be in the format the are useing.
But if the use a non WMF recommended file format it must be know in time
by the interested people so the can try to get support for it on there
computer. Also publish a sample file if that is the case so that you can
test if of playback works.

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On 11/26/06, Walter Vermeir <walter@wikipedia.be> wrote:
> I recommend;
> - try to get the recordings online between 15 and 60 minutes after every
> event online. That is really not difficult.
> - give priority on the audio recording above the video recording
> - providing a stable distribution channel for the media. Consider bittorrent

I watched a few recordings of the 2006 Wikimania, and the problem for
me was mostly that you' either see the speaker OK but not the slide,
or (almost) read the slide but only when the speaker was out of the
camera's range.

I'd suggest recording the speaker in both audio and video, while also
grabbing and recording the VGA signal of the presentation. Both videos
should then be merged into one (maybe side-by-side, making it
wide-screen;-)

While this should not be hard to do, it could prove difficult to do it
on the Wikimania itself. I'f I can't visit in 2007, I'd much prefer
such good quality recording a few days after the event than crappy
live-streams.

My 2 cents,
Magnus
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On 26/11/06, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 11/26/06, Walter Vermeir <walter@wikipedia.be> wrote:
> > I recommend;
> > - try to get the recordings online between 15 and 60 minutes after every
> > event online. That is really not difficult.
> > - give priority on the audio recording above the video recording
> > - providing a stable distribution channel for the media. Consider bittorrent
>
> I watched a few recordings of the 2006 Wikimania, and the problem for
> me was mostly that you' either see the speaker OK but not the slide,
> or (almost) read the slide but only when the speaker was out of the
> camera's range.
>
> I'd suggest recording the speaker in both audio and video, while also
> grabbing and recording the VGA signal of the presentation. Both videos
> should then be merged into one (maybe side-by-side, making it
> wide-screen;-)
>
> While this should not be hard to do, it could prove difficult to do it
> on the Wikimania itself. I'f I can't visit in 2007, I'd much prefer
> such good quality recording a few days after the event than crappy
> live-streams.

Fermilab do weekly colloquia for their staff, which are videoed and
archived on the web; some of these are quite interesting and I've sat
through a couple. Their web presentation is interesting and effective;
the video is put in a sidebar in the browser, so you can see the
speaker talking and gesturing, whilst the main "real estate" is taken
up by an HTMLed version of the presentation slides, which are
progressed along roughly in sync with the talk.

http://vmsstreamer1.fnal.gov/VMS_Site_02/Lectures/Colloquium/Lesk/vf001.htm
is Michael Lesk's talk on digitising everything, to pick an
appropriate example. Unfortunately, their implementation requires
RealPlayer, but there's no cast-iron requirement for that...

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