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Re: [Wikitech-l] Java becomes Open Source, what next?
On 11/14/06, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Sun Microsystems will make all the Java code they own available under the GPL:

and on wikitech-l Erik wrote:

> A community review process, where open source applets can be nominated
> for inclusion in Wikimedia, or particular resources / applet authors
> can be community-certified as trustworthy, with the final step being
> implemented by a sysop or bureaucrat, strikes me as a reasonable
> compromise between security and ease of inclusion.


Check this out - I'm an English Wikiversity bureaucrat, and I haven't
a clue about how any of this works or could/should be managed! In my
opinion, in order to most productively conduct this conversation, we
need to think of the people on the projects this will impact - by
asking things like the following:

*Is an "evil" java resource going to be easily spotted by a project
sysop/bureaucrat? (How do you spot an "evil" or potentially evil
resource?)
*How would java resources be added to a project? The same as - or
similar to - a file? Or simply through adding code into a page?
(and consequently)
*How much patrolling will this require?

I'd of course be incredibly excited to have engaging learning
materials added to Wikiversity, as well as applications for all our
projects. I'm just trying here to imagine how we would deal with this
"in the trenches", so to speak.

Please pardon my war-like language here - must be a hangover from the
[[w:Armistice]] weekend :-)

Cormac
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Java becomes Open Source, what next? [ In reply to ]
Alternatively, we can make the process much more bureaucratic. It'll suck,
but Java is a harsh mistress. What I was thinking was that code could be
submitted, then it'd have to be audited by a developer (or anyone approved
by the Foundation to evaluate Java), make sure it's appropriate, then add to
the site thusly.

Yes, I know, bureaucratic, but we can't afford to have our sites screwed up
because of a single vandal. (At least text vandalism is revertable.)

On 11/14/06, Cormac Lawler <cormaggio@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/14/06, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > Sun Microsystems will make all the Java code they own available under
> the GPL:
>
> and on wikitech-l Erik wrote:
>
> > A community review process, where open source applets can be nominated
> > for inclusion in Wikimedia, or particular resources / applet authors
> > can be community-certified as trustworthy, with the final step being
> > implemented by a sysop or bureaucrat, strikes me as a reasonable
> > compromise between security and ease of inclusion.
>
>
> Check this out - I'm an English Wikiversity bureaucrat, and I haven't
> a clue about how any of this works or could/should be managed! In my
> opinion, in order to most productively conduct this conversation, we
> need to think of the people on the projects this will impact - by
> asking things like the following:
>
> *Is an "evil" java resource going to be easily spotted by a project
> sysop/bureaucrat? (How do you spot an "evil" or potentially evil
> resource?)
> *How would java resources be added to a project? The same as - or
> similar to - a file? Or simply through adding code into a page?
> (and consequently)
> *How much patrolling will this require?
>
> I'd of course be incredibly excited to have engaging learning
> materials added to Wikiversity, as well as applications for all our
> projects. I'm just trying here to imagine how we would deal with this
> "in the trenches", so to speak.
>
> Please pardon my war-like language here - must be a hangover from the
> [[w:Armistice]] weekend :-)
>
> Cormac
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Java becomes Open Source, what next? [ In reply to ]
Cormac Lawler wrote:

>On 11/14/06, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Sun Microsystems will make all the Java code they own available under the GPL:
>>
>>
>and on wikitech-l Erik wrote:
>
>
>>A community review process, where open source applets can be nominated
>>for inclusion in Wikimedia, or particular resources / applet authors
>>can be community-certified as trustworthy, with the final step being
>>implemented by a sysop or bureaucrat, strikes me as a reasonable
>>compromise between security and ease of inclusion.
>>
>>
>Check this out - I'm an English Wikiversity bureaucrat, and I haven't
>a clue about how any of this works or could/should be managed! In my
>opinion, in order to most productively conduct this conversation, we
>need to think of the people on the projects this will impact - by
>asking things like the following:
>
>*Is an "evil" java resource going to be easily spotted by a project
>sysop/bureaucrat? (How do you spot an "evil" or potentially evil
>resource?)
>*How would java resources be added to a project? The same as - or
>similar to - a file? Or simply through adding code into a page?
>(and consequently)
>*How much patrolling will this require?
>
Perhaps we need a good session at Wikimania on techniques for
technophobic administrators. It could even coincide with hacking days,
but our techies may not like being drawn away from hacking days to teach
the clueless.

>I'd of course be incredibly excited to have engaging learning
>materials added to Wikiversity, as well as applications for all our
>projects. I'm just trying here to imagine how we would deal with this
>"in the trenches", so to speak.
>
A course about Java might be nice.

>Please pardon my war-like language here - must be a hangover from the
>[[w:Armistice]] weekend :-)
>
Not at all. Under appropriate circumstances a little loyalty to King
George V is good for what ales you. :-)

Ec

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Java becomes Open Source, what next? [ In reply to ]
On 11/16/06, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@telus.net> wrote:
> Perhaps we need a good session at Wikimania on techniques for
> technophobic administrators. It could even coincide with hacking days,
> but our techies may not like being drawn away from hacking days to teach
> the clueless.
>


Most admins do not go to Wikimania.


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geni
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