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Simple Spanish Wikipedia is a great idea, since we have Simple English.
However, I heard that Simple English is an actual, established subset of the
English language. Can we say the same about Simple Spanish?

--James Hare

On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Spanish is worldwide a big language. Would it be an idea to start a
> "simple
> Spanish" wiki: sencillo.wikipedia.org? I would be prepared to contribute
> to
> it.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Johan Bos (Jcb)
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Not as far as I know. I just meant articles in simple Spanish words.
Readable for people who just understand for example 1500 words.

Greetings,

Johan Bos

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From: "James Hare" <messedrocker@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Spanish?


> Simple Spanish Wikipedia is a great idea, since we have Simple English.
> However, I heard that Simple English is an actual, established subset of
> the
> English language. Can we say the same about Simple Spanish?
>
> --James Hare
>
> On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Spanish is worldwide a big language. Would it be an idea to start a
>> "simple
>> Spanish" wiki: sencillo.wikipedia.org? I would be prepared to contribute
>> to
>> it.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Johan Bos (Jcb)
>> _______________________________________________
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Well, try bringing it up on the Incubator: http://incubator.wikimedia.org

On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not as far as I know. I just meant articles in simple Spanish words.
> Readable for people who just understand for example 1500 words.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Johan Bos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Hare" <messedrocker@gmail.com>
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Spanish?
>
>
> > Simple Spanish Wikipedia is a great idea, since we have Simple English.
> > However, I heard that Simple English is an actual, established subset of
> > the
> > English language. Can we say the same about Simple Spanish?
> >
> > --James Hare
> >
> > On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Spanish is worldwide a big language. Would it be an idea to start a
> >> "simple
> >> Spanish" wiki: sencillo.wikipedia.org? I would be prepared to
> contribute
> >> to
> >> it.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Johan Bos (Jcb)
> >> _______________________________________________
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I started a test at incubator:

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sencillo

Everybody able to write a simplified form of Spanish is invited to write an
article for the test.

I also placed a proposal at Meta:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects#Proposal_for_simple_Spanish_wiki

So we will see...

Greetings,

Johan

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hare" <messedrocker@gmail.com>
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@wikimedia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Spanish?


> Well, try bringing it up on the Incubator: http://incubator.wikimedia.org
>
> On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not as far as I know. I just meant articles in simple Spanish words.
>> Readable for people who just understand for example 1500 words.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Johan Bos
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James Hare" <messedrocker@gmail.com>
>> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@wikimedia.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Spanish?
>>
>>
>> > Simple Spanish Wikipedia is a great idea, since we have Simple English.
>> > However, I heard that Simple English is an actual, established subset
>> > of
>> > the
>> > English language. Can we say the same about Simple Spanish?
>> >
>> > --James Hare
>> >
>> > On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Spanish is worldwide a big language. Would it be an idea to start a
>> >> "simple
>> >> Spanish" wiki: sencillo.wikipedia.org? I would be prepared to
>> contribute
>> >> to
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> Greetings,
>> >>
>> >> Johan Bos (Jcb)
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> foundation-l@wikimedia.org
>> >> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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And I moved it to where it's supposed to be:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Simple_Spanish_Wikipedia

Good luck on your project. Unfortunately, I won't be able to contribute.

On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I started a test at incubator:
>
> http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sencillo
>
> Everybody able to write a simplified form of Spanish is invited to write
> an
> article for the test.
>
> I also placed a proposal at Meta:
>
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects#Proposal_for_simple_Spanish_wiki
>
> So we will see...
>
> Greetings,
>
> Johan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Hare" <messedrocker@gmail.com>
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Spanish?
>
>
> > Well, try bringing it up on the Incubator:
> http://incubator.wikimedia.org
> >
> > On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not as far as I know. I just meant articles in simple Spanish words.
> >> Readable for people who just understand for example 1500 words.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Johan Bos
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "James Hare" <messedrocker@gmail.com>
> >> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@wikimedia.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Spanish?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Simple Spanish Wikipedia is a great idea, since we have Simple
> English.
> >> > However, I heard that Simple English is an actual, established subset
> >> > of
> >> > the
> >> > English language. Can we say the same about Simple Spanish?
> >> >
> >> > --James Hare
> >> >
> >> > On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Spanish is worldwide a big language. Would it be an idea to start a
> >> >> "simple
> >> >> Spanish" wiki: sencillo.wikipedia.org? I would be prepared to
> >> contribute
> >> >> to
> >> >> it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Greetings,
> >> >>
> >> >> Johan Bos (Jcb)
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> foundation-l mailing list
> >> >> foundation-l@wikimedia.org
> >> >> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >> >>
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On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Not as far as I know. I just meant articles in simple Spanish words.
> Readable for people who just understand for example 1500 words.

English is the most widely spoken second language on the planet, the
lingua franca of international communication; it's also really hard.
The argument for the "simple English" editions is that with more
non-native speakers than native ones, a special effort should be made
to cater to those who haven't quite mastered this undoubtedly
difficult tongue. While I don't agree, I do recognize the validity of
that point of view.

While Spanish may have more native speakers, it doesn't enjoy the same
ubiquity, and its mostly regular syntax means it doesn't pose the same
difficulty to novices. You seem to acknowledge the second point
yourself when you talk about "sencillo" as nothing more than a
limited-vocabulary edition of the Spanish Wikipedia.

We're only just starting to recover from the damage done by the
infamous Enciclopedia Libre fork, and I can't see anyone supporting
any division of those efforts right now.

Austin
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I agree that Spanish is not too difficult, but it will take a lot of effort
to learn sufficient Spanish to be able to read a Spanish article without
using a dictionary. A "sencillo" article will be readable without a
dictionary for anyone with a basic knowlegde of Spanish.

Another advantage is that probable most Italian and Portugese people will be
able to read "sencillo", without even knowing any Spanish.

Greetings,

Johan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Austin Hair" <adhair@gmail.com>
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@wikimedia.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Spanish?


> On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Not as far as I know. I just meant articles in simple Spanish words.
>> Readable for people who just understand for example 1500 words.
>
> English is the most widely spoken second language on the planet, the
> lingua franca of international communication; it's also really hard.
> The argument for the "simple English" editions is that with more
> non-native speakers than native ones, a special effort should be made
> to cater to those who haven't quite mastered this undoubtedly
> difficult tongue. While I don't agree, I do recognize the validity of
> that point of view.
>
> While Spanish may have more native speakers, it doesn't enjoy the same
> ubiquity, and its mostly regular syntax means it doesn't pose the same
> difficulty to novices. You seem to acknowledge the second point
> yourself when you talk about "sencillo" as nothing more than a
> limited-vocabulary edition of the Spanish Wikipedia.
>
> We're only just starting to recover from the damage done by the
> infamous Enciclopedia Libre fork, and I can't see anyone supporting
> any division of those efforts right now.
>
> Austin
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Indeed.

Also, the typical reasoning to allow dead language Wikipedias like Old
English and Latin is for using as learning tools. Surely Wikipedia Sencillo
can function the same way?

On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree that Spanish is not too difficult, but it will take a lot of
> effort
> to learn sufficient Spanish to be able to read a Spanish article without
> using a dictionary. A "sencillo" article will be readable without a
> dictionary for anyone with a basic knowlegde of Spanish.
>
> Another advantage is that probable most Italian and Portugese people will
> be
> able to read "sencillo", without even knowing any Spanish.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Johan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Austin Hair" <adhair@gmail.com>
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Spanish?
>
>
> > On 6/21/06, Johan Bos <skatinghacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Not as far as I know. I just meant articles in simple Spanish words.
> >> Readable for people who just understand for example 1500 words.
> >
> > English is the most widely spoken second language on the planet, the
> > lingua franca of international communication; it's also really hard.
> > The argument for the "simple English" editions is that with more
> > non-native speakers than native ones, a special effort should be made
> > to cater to those who haven't quite mastered this undoubtedly
> > difficult tongue. While I don't agree, I do recognize the validity of
> > that point of view.
> >
> > While Spanish may have more native speakers, it doesn't enjoy the same
> > ubiquity, and its mostly regular syntax means it doesn't pose the same
> > difficulty to novices. You seem to acknowledge the second point
> > yourself when you talk about "sencillo" as nothing more than a
> > limited-vocabulary edition of the Spanish Wikipedia.
> >
> > We're only just starting to recover from the damage done by the
> > infamous Enciclopedia Libre fork, and I can't see anyone supporting
> > any division of those efforts right now.
> >
> > Austin
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Dejavu? This is not the first attempt to start a simple.es wikipedia. Check
this link

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Denied#Simple_Spanish_.286_support_.5B2_anonymous.5D.2C_1_neutral.2C_29_oppose.29
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