Hoi,
For me while interesting, it is hardly new and therefore not that
interesting what people like Ed H Chi write about Wikipedia. They do not
write about Wikipedia, they write about the English language Wikipedia.
Invariably news written about Wikipedia concentrates on just one of over 260
projects. It diminishes what Wikipedia is about and it ignores important
things that are happening.
I would be interested in more study looking at the "other" wikipedias. This
is where all kinds of other phenomena exist.
Yesterday Siebrand observed that there is a group of languages that have
solid localisations and, the current localisation rally makes this group
stand out even more. We have the impression that this coincides with the
vitality of projects; German French Dutch are top performers in localisation
they have a healthy community and provide a great Wikipedia. For languages
like Spanish Turkish Swedish Italian it is still possible for people to take
part in the translatewiki.net localisation rally. People who participate on
languages like Estonian and Khmer find that they have to concentrate on
doing the most used and MediaWiki core messages first (our rationale being
that our Wikipedia readers are best served in this way.
With a sample size fof 260, it becomes possible to do research into the
effect of localisation and the performance of a project. As
LocalisationUpdate is being tested for use in the WMF, timely delivery of
localisations becomes a reality once it is implemented. This will give the
numbers of localisation and performance a much more direct relation with
each other... The question is, if someone is interested in the numbers
provided by such research..
It is known for languages like Bangla that Wikipedia is the biggest resource
in that language in that language, I can imagine that this is true for other
languages as well. When a Wikipedia has such a status, it changes the
relevance of that Wikipedia for scientists who study thea language. It is
interesting to learn what the effects are on the people who use the internet
in these languages. With Wikipedia being the biggest resource does this
populate the Google search results and, does this make the Internet more of
a worthwhile experience?
We know that things like sources, NPOV, BLP are particularly relevant on our
biggest projects. On our smaller projects these things do not get the same
attention. Here it is more important to have articles in the first place.
The make-up of these communities is likely to be utterly different as well.
Would it not be nice to understand how our projects are populated and study
how it evolves over time? At what stage all kinds of policies start to kick
in?
Research, the numbers they provide are important on many levels. They
indicate issues, they indicate where we want to put our resources. The lack
of research on the other Wikipedias make the other Wikipedias invisible,
issues particular to other languages do not get attention and consequently
resources needed to address issues are not available.
My argument is that there is a lack of research on Wikipedia, Wikipedia as a
whole would benefit from research and indeed where the English Wikipedia's
growth is slowing down, there is plenty of room for growth elsewhere of
standard encyclopaedic information in the other projects. This in turn will
bring up many subjects that en.wp does not cover. The existence of articles
on subjects not covered in en.wp are indicative of a bias and once en.wp
starts to cover these subjects it will improve its neutral point of view..
Consequently ALL our Wikipedias including en.wp will benefit from research
on the "other" Wikipedias.
Thanks,
GerardM
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For me while interesting, it is hardly new and therefore not that
interesting what people like Ed H Chi write about Wikipedia. They do not
write about Wikipedia, they write about the English language Wikipedia.
Invariably news written about Wikipedia concentrates on just one of over 260
projects. It diminishes what Wikipedia is about and it ignores important
things that are happening.
I would be interested in more study looking at the "other" wikipedias. This
is where all kinds of other phenomena exist.
Yesterday Siebrand observed that there is a group of languages that have
solid localisations and, the current localisation rally makes this group
stand out even more. We have the impression that this coincides with the
vitality of projects; German French Dutch are top performers in localisation
they have a healthy community and provide a great Wikipedia. For languages
like Spanish Turkish Swedish Italian it is still possible for people to take
part in the translatewiki.net localisation rally. People who participate on
languages like Estonian and Khmer find that they have to concentrate on
doing the most used and MediaWiki core messages first (our rationale being
that our Wikipedia readers are best served in this way.
With a sample size fof 260, it becomes possible to do research into the
effect of localisation and the performance of a project. As
LocalisationUpdate is being tested for use in the WMF, timely delivery of
localisations becomes a reality once it is implemented. This will give the
numbers of localisation and performance a much more direct relation with
each other... The question is, if someone is interested in the numbers
provided by such research..
It is known for languages like Bangla that Wikipedia is the biggest resource
in that language in that language, I can imagine that this is true for other
languages as well. When a Wikipedia has such a status, it changes the
relevance of that Wikipedia for scientists who study thea language. It is
interesting to learn what the effects are on the people who use the internet
in these languages. With Wikipedia being the biggest resource does this
populate the Google search results and, does this make the Internet more of
a worthwhile experience?
We know that things like sources, NPOV, BLP are particularly relevant on our
biggest projects. On our smaller projects these things do not get the same
attention. Here it is more important to have articles in the first place.
The make-up of these communities is likely to be utterly different as well.
Would it not be nice to understand how our projects are populated and study
how it evolves over time? At what stage all kinds of policies start to kick
in?
Research, the numbers they provide are important on many levels. They
indicate issues, they indicate where we want to put our resources. The lack
of research on the other Wikipedias make the other Wikipedias invisible,
issues particular to other languages do not get attention and consequently
resources needed to address issues are not available.
My argument is that there is a lack of research on Wikipedia, Wikipedia as a
whole would benefit from research and indeed where the English Wikipedia's
growth is slowing down, there is plenty of room for growth elsewhere of
standard encyclopaedic information in the other projects. This in turn will
bring up many subjects that en.wp does not cover. The existence of articles
on subjects not covered in en.wp are indicative of a bias and once en.wp
starts to cover these subjects it will improve its neutral point of view..
Consequently ALL our Wikipedias including en.wp will benefit from research
on the "other" Wikipedias.
Thanks,
GerardM
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