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A url for a medium without a clickable link is, well, not an optimum
solution. Obfuscated url isn't really any better, but it might be shorter.

John

Peter Gervai wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum@jeb.no> wrote:
>> Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site
>> would be
>> "
>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use
>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"
>>
>> That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some
>> languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops...
>
> Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny.
>
> grin
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Peter Gervai schrieb:
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum@jeb.no> wrote:
>
>> Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site
>> would be
>> "
>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use
>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"
>>
>> That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some
>> languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops...
>>
>
> Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny.
>
Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service?
This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the
wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.

eg.:
http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z
redirects to
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573

http://wp.cx/c
redirects to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License

Harald

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Harald
Krichel<harald.krichel@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Peter Gervai schrieb:
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum@jeb.no> wrote:
>>
>>> Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site
>>> would be
>>> "
>>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use
>>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"
>>>
>>> That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some
>>> languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops...
>>>
>>
>> Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny.
>>
> Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service?
> This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the
> wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.
>
> eg.:
> http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z
> redirects to
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573
>
> http://wp.cx/c
> redirects to
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License
>
> Harald
>
>
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That's actually not a bad idea :) A dedicated wmf domain for short urls would
be amazingly helpful for a lot of things. Just make it so the script
only accepts
WMF-owned domains and you've got yourself a great tool.

-Chad

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Over at Wikinews, we've just started using a new url shortening
service-enwn.net for our twitter feed. You'll need to talk to
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:ShakataGaNai if interested.

On 17/07/2009 14:06, Chad wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Harald
> Krichel<harald.krichel@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Peter Gervai schrieb:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 01:32, John at Darkstar<vacuum@jeb.no> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Minimum attribution of «Terms of Use» from Wikimdia Foundations site
>>>> would be
>>>> "
>>>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use
>>>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"
>>>>
>>>> That is 96 chars, with spaces, of 140 bytes available in a SMS. For some
>>>> languages the attribution will take more than one message. Ooops...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Tinyurl and like? It's, well, tiny.
>>>
>>>
>> Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service?
>> This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the
>> wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.
>>
>> eg.:
>> http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z
>> redirects to
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573
>>
>> http://wp.cx/c
>> redirects to
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License
>>
>> Harald
>>
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>
> That's actually not a bad idea :) A dedicated wmf domain for short urls would
> be amazingly helpful for a lot of things. Just make it so the script
> only accepts
> WMF-owned domains and you've got yourself a great tool.
>
> -Chad
>
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2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel@googlemail.com>:

> Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service?
> This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the
> wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.


I know of:

http://enwp.org/
http://enwn.net/


- d.

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2009/7/17 Harald Krichel <harald.krichel@googlemail.com>:

> Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service?
> This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the
> wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.
>
> eg.:
> http://wp.cx/3tT5u7Z
> redirects to
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=302589573

I discovered yesterday that:

enwp.org/Article

redirects to

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article

Sadly, it doesn't work with revision IDs, but it's a start!

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andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk

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This is a wikipedian from Norway.

John Erling Blad
Wikimedia Norway

Chad wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe
> Beaudette<pbeaudette@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org?
>>>
>>> That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :)
>>>
>>> -Chad
>>
>>
>> (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org)
>>
>> Domain ID: D148943548-LROR
>> Domain Name: ENWP.ORG
>> Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC
>> Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC
>> Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC
>> Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR)
>> Status: OK
>> Registrant ID: AT9622172-051
>> Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg
>> Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14
>> Registrant Street2:
>> Registrant Street3:
>> Registrant City: Bergen
>> Registrant State/Province: --
>> Registrant Postal Code: 5016
>> Registrant Country: NO
>> Registrant Phone: 47.99298989
>> Registrant Phone Ext.:
>> Registrant FAX:
>> Registrant FAX Ext.:
>> Registrant Email: tl-lomas@hotmail.com
>>
>> Admin ID: AT4607819-051
>> Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen
>> Admin Organization: One.com A/S
>> Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45
>> Admin Street2:
>> Admin Street3:
>> Admin City: Copenhagen V
>> Admin State/Province:
>> Admin Postal Code: 1560
>> Admin Country: DK
>> Admin Phone: 45.46907100
>> Admin Phone Ext.:
>> Admin FAX: 45.70205872
>> Admin FAX Ext.:
>> Admin Email: hostmaster@b-one.nu
>>
>> Tech ID: AT9622194-051
>> Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen
>> Tech Organization: One.com A/S
>> Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45
>> Tech Street2:
>> Tech Street3:
>> Tech City: Copenhagen V
>> Tech State/Province:
>> Tech Postal Code: 1560
>> Tech Country: DK
>> Tech Phone: 45.46907100
>> Tech Phone Ext.:
>> Tech FAX: 45.70205872
>> Tech FAX Ext.:
>> Tech Email: hostmaster@b-one.nu
>>
>> Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU
>> Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU
>> Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU
>> Name Server:
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>>
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>>
>>
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>
> I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if
> (in general) we know the guy who runs it :)
>
> -Chad
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Seems like a very useful service. Would the Foundation be interesting in taking ownership of this URL? If so, would Blad be willing to give/sell it to them? If so, could it be incorporated into a sidebar link similar to "permanent link"?

----- "John at Darkstar" <vacuum@jeb.no> wrote:
> From: "John at Darkstar" <vacuum@jeb.no>
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 20:38:09 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution on small interactive devices and systems
>
> This is a wikipedian from Norway.
>
> John Erling Blad
> Wikimedia Norway
>
> Chad wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Philippe
> > Beaudette<pbeaudette@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Chad wrote:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone know the guy who owns enwp.org?
> >>>
> >>> That being said, enwp.org/?oldid=1234 does work :)
> >>>
> >>> -Chad
> >>
> >>
> >> (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about enwp.org)
> >>
> >> Domain ID: D148943548-LROR
> >> Domain Name: ENWP.ORG
> >> Created On: 23-Aug-2007 14: 33: 18 UTC
> >> Last Updated On: 21-Sep-2008 00: 28: 40 UTC
> >> Expiration Date: 23-Aug-2009 14: 33: 18 UTC
> >> Sponsoring Registrar: ASCIO Technologies Inc. - Denmark (R76-LROR)
> >> Status: OK
> >> Registrant ID: AT9622172-051
> >> Registrant Name: Thomas Kjoerberg
> >> Registrant Street1: Groennevollen 14
> >> Registrant Street2:
> >> Registrant Street3:
> >> Registrant City: Bergen
> >> Registrant State/Province: --
> >> Registrant Postal Code: 5016
> >> Registrant Country: NO
> >> Registrant Phone: 47.99298989
> >> Registrant Phone Ext.:
> >> Registrant FAX:
> >> Registrant FAX Ext.:
> >> Registrant Email: tl-lomas@hotmail.com
> >>
> >> Admin ID: AT4607819-051
> >> Admin Name: Hostmaster Funktionen
> >> Admin Organization: One.com A/S
> >> Admin Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45
> >> Admin Street2:
> >> Admin Street3:
> >> Admin City: Copenhagen V
> >> Admin State/Province:
> >> Admin Postal Code: 1560
> >> Admin Country: DK
> >> Admin Phone: 45.46907100
> >> Admin Phone Ext.:
> >> Admin FAX: 45.70205872
> >> Admin FAX Ext.:
> >> Admin Email: hostmaster@b-one.nu
> >>
> >> Tech ID: AT9622194-051
> >> Tech Name: Hostmaster Funktionen
> >> Tech Organization: One.com A/S
> >> Tech Street1: Kalvebod Brygge 45
> >> Tech Street2:
> >> Tech Street3:
> >> Tech City: Copenhagen V
> >> Tech State/Province:
> >> Tech Postal Code: 1560
> >> Tech Country: DK
> >> Tech Phone: 45.46907100
> >> Tech Phone Ext.:
> >> Tech FAX: 45.70205872
> >> Tech FAX Ext.:
> >> Tech Email: hostmaster@b-one.nu
> >>
> >> Name Server: NS1.B-ONE.NU
> >> Name Server: NS2.B-ONE.NU
> >> Name Server: NS3.B-ONE.NU
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >> Name Server:
> >>
> >> ____________________
> >> Philippe Beaudette
> >> Facilitator, Strategic Plan
> >> Wikimedia Foundation
> >>
> >> pbeaudette@wikimedia.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> >> the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> >>
> >> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
> >>
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> >
> > I did the whois too, but I don't know him. I was asking if
> > (in general) we know the guy who runs it :)
> >
> > -Chad
> >
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