Mailing List Archive: Verifiability, reliable sources, notability and original research

Verifiability, reliable sources, notability and original research

Feb 8, 2009, 8:21 AM

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I really think all of these are superflous to each other. Shouldn't they be
merged into one policy, called Wikipedia:Verifiability? I mean, look at what
we're saying here:

- Wikipedia:Verifiability
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:V>basically says "content that
isn't blatantly obvious should be sourced".
- Wikipedia:Reliable sources
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS>says "content should be
sourced".
- Wikipedia:Notability <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:N> says
"if articles can't be sourced they will be deleted".
- Wikipedia:No original
research<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research>says
"we don't allow articles on things that can't be sourced".

What do you guys think?
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Re: Verifiability, reliable sources, notability and original research [ In reply to ]

innocentkiller at gmail

Feb 8, 2009, 8:25 AM

Post #2 of 4 (1057 views)

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On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Patton 123 <pattonabc@gmail.com> wrote:

> I really think all of these are superflous to each other. Shouldn't they be
> merged into one policy, called Wikipedia:Verifiability? I mean, look at
> what
> we're saying here:
>
> - Wikipedia:Verifiability
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:V>basically says "content that
> isn't blatantly obvious should be sourced".
> - Wikipedia:Reliable sources
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS>says "content should be
> sourced".
> - Wikipedia:Notability <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:N> says
> "if articles can't be sourced they will be deleted".
> - Wikipedia:No original
> research<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research>says
> "we don't allow articles on things that can't be sourced".
>
> What do you guys think?
>

This was attempted. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Attribution.
Now it's an essay. Dig through the talk page and many many subpages if
you want to see all the mess this went through last time a merger was
proposed.

-Chad
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Re: Verifiability, reliable sources, notability and original research [ In reply to ]

pattonabc at gmail

Feb 8, 2009, 8:25 AM

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oops this was meant for WikiEn-l, sorry....
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Re: Verifiability, reliable sources, notability and original research [ In reply to ]

wilydoppelganger at gmail

Feb 9, 2009, 5:40 AM

Post #4 of 4 (1047 views)

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On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Patton 123 <pattonabc@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really think all of these are superflous to each other. Shouldn't they be
> merged into one policy, called Wikipedia:Verifiability? I mean, look at what
> we're saying here:
>
> - Wikipedia:Verifiability
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:V>basically says "content that
> isn't blatantly obvious should be sourced".
> - Wikipedia:Reliable sources
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS>says "content should be
> sourced".
> - Wikipedia:Notability <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:N> says
> "if articles can't be sourced they will be deleted".
> - Wikipedia:No original
> research<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research>says
> "we don't allow articles on things that can't be sourced".
>
> What do you guys think?
> _______________________________________________

Verifiability is about what kind of information can be included.
Reliable sources is about how to determine what sources of information
can be used.
Notability is about the threshold for inclusion of articles.
No original research is about how you can put information together.

Combining them all into one enormous byzantine policy would only make
it harder to understand. Individual points should be separated, if
only to allow new editors a chance at understanding things.

Brian

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