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Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy
At

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikipedia:_The_Missing_Manual/Title_Page_and_Licensing_Information

we read:

"Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or
any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with the
Invariant Section being the "Author and Publisher Information" and no
Front-Cover Texts and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is
included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License"."

This is clearly not compatible with the "official" policy at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights

"If you contribute material to Wikipedia, you thereby license it to
the public under the GFDL (with no invariant sections, front-cover
texts, or back-cover texts)."

On the same page there is a self-contradiction to these clear words:

"Under Wikipedia's current copyright conditions, and with the current
facilities of the MediaWiki software, it is only possible to include
in Wikipedia external GFDL materials that contain invariant sections
or cover texts, if all of the following apply,
You are the copyright holder of these external GFDL materials (or: you
have the explicit, i.e. written, permission of the copyright holder to
do what follows);
The length and nature of these invariant sections and cover texts does
not exceed what can be placed in an edit summary;
You are satisfied that these invariant sections and cover texts are
not listed elsewhere than in the "page history" of the page where
these external materials are placed;
You are satisfied that further copies of Wikipedia content are
distributed under the standard GFDL application of "with no Invariant
Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and with no Back-Cover Texts" (in
other words, for the copies derived from wikipedia, you agree that
these parts of the text contributed by you will no longer be
considered as "invariant sections" or "cover texts" in the GFDL
sense);
The original invariant sections and/or cover texts are contained in
the edit summary of the edit with which you introduce the thus GFDLed
materials in wikipedia (so, that if "permanent deletion" would be
applied to that edit, both the thus GFDLed material and its invariant
sections and cover texts are jointly deleted).
Seen the stringent conditions above, it is very desirable to replace
GFDL texts with invariant sections (or with cover texts) by original
content without invariant sections (or cover texts) whenever
possible."

I cannot see that the quoted copyright notice fits these conditions.

Klaus Graf

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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
I don't think that either the Foundation or Mr. Broughton will be complaining. Drop it.




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From: Klaus Graf <klausgraf@googlemail.com>
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:59:15 AM
Subject: [Foundation-l] Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy

At

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikipedia:_The_Missing_Manual/Title_Page_and_Licensing_Information

we read:

"Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or
any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with the
Invariant Section being the "Author and Publisher Information" and no
Front-Cover Texts and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is
included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License"."

This is clearly not compatible with the "official" policy at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights

"If you contribute material to Wikipedia, you thereby license it to
the public under the GFDL (with no invariant sections, front-cover
texts, or back-cover texts)."

On the same page there is a self-contradiction to these clear words:

"Under Wikipedia's current copyright conditions, and with the current
facilities of the MediaWiki software, it is only possible to include
in Wikipedia external GFDL materials that contain invariant sections
or cover texts, if all of the following apply,
You are the copyright holder of these external GFDL materials (or: you
have the explicit, i.e. written, permission of the copyright holder to
do what follows);
The length and nature of these invariant sections and cover texts does
not exceed what can be placed in an edit summary;
You are satisfied that these invariant sections and cover texts are
not listed elsewhere than in the "page history" of the page where
these external materials are placed;
You are satisfied that further copies of Wikipedia content are
distributed under the standard GFDL application of "with no Invariant
Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and with no Back-Cover Texts" (in
other words, for the copies derived from wikipedia, you agree that
these parts of the text contributed by you will no longer be
considered as "invariant sections" or "cover texts" in the GFDL
sense);
The original invariant sections and/or cover texts are contained in
the edit summary of the edit with which you introduce the thus GFDLed
materials in wikipedia (so, that if "permanent deletion" would be
applied to that edit, both the thus GFDLed material and its invariant
sections and cover texts are jointly deleted).
Seen the stringent conditions above, it is very desirable to replace
GFDL texts with invariant sections (or with cover texts) by original
content without invariant sections (or cover texts) whenever
possible."

I cannot see that the quoted copyright notice fits these conditions.

Klaus Graf

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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
Agreed with Geoffrey, and I never cease to be amazed at how folks find
a way to say "zOMG! This Can't Work!" instead of "OK, let's make this
work."

We've seen a lot of that the last couple of days on this list.

philippe


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On Jan 28, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:

> I don't think that either the Foundation or Mr. Broughton will be
> complaining. Drop it.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Klaus Graf <klausgraf@googlemail.com>
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:59:15 AM
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Help-book made available in en Wikipedia
> against Licensing Policy
>
> At
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikipedia:_The_Missing_Manual/Title_Page_and_Licensing_Information
>
> we read:
>
> "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
> under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or
> any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with the
> Invariant Section being the "Author and Publisher Information" and no
> Front-Cover Texts and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is
> included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License"."
>
> This is clearly not compatible with the "official" policy at
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights
>
> "If you contribute material to Wikipedia, you thereby license it to
> the public under the GFDL (with no invariant sections, front-cover
> texts, or back-cover texts)."
>
> On the same page there is a self-contradiction to these clear words:
>
> "Under Wikipedia's current copyright conditions, and with the current
> facilities of the MediaWiki software, it is only possible to include
> in Wikipedia external GFDL materials that contain invariant sections
> or cover texts, if all of the following apply,
> You are the copyright holder of these external GFDL materials (or: you
> have the explicit, i.e. written, permission of the copyright holder to
> do what follows);
> The length and nature of these invariant sections and cover texts does
> not exceed what can be placed in an edit summary;
> You are satisfied that these invariant sections and cover texts are
> not listed elsewhere than in the "page history" of the page where
> these external materials are placed;
> You are satisfied that further copies of Wikipedia content are
> distributed under the standard GFDL application of "with no Invariant
> Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and with no Back-Cover Texts" (in
> other words, for the copies derived from wikipedia, you agree that
> these parts of the text contributed by you will no longer be
> considered as "invariant sections" or "cover texts" in the GFDL
> sense);
> The original invariant sections and/or cover texts are contained in
> the edit summary of the edit with which you introduce the thus GFDLed
> materials in wikipedia (so, that if "permanent deletion" would be
> applied to that edit, both the thus GFDLed material and its invariant
> sections and cover texts are jointly deleted).
> Seen the stringent conditions above, it is very desirable to replace
> GFDL texts with invariant sections (or with cover texts) by original
> content without invariant sections (or cover texts) whenever
> possible."
>
> I cannot see that the quoted copyright notice fits these conditions.
>
> Klaus Graf
>
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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Philippe|Wiki <philippe.wiki@gmail.com>wrote:

> Agreed with Geoffrey, and I never cease to be amazed at how folks find
> a way to say "zOMG! This Can't Work!" instead of "OK, let's make this
> work."
>
> We've seen a lot of that the last couple of days on this list.
>
> philippe


s/days/years/

-Chad
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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
This is all well and good, but on another note, he has violated the IUP -
the images are watermarked.

- Chris

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Chad <innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Philippe|Wiki <philippe.wiki@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Agreed with Geoffrey, and I never cease to be amazed at how folks find
> > a way to say "zOMG! This Can't Work!" instead of "OK, let's make this
> > work."
> >
> > We've seen a lot of that the last couple of days on this list.
> >
> > philippe
>
>
> s/days/years/
>
> -Chad
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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
Hoi
What is IUP ?
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/1/29 Chris Down <neuro.wikipedia@googlemail.com>

> This is all well and good, but on another note, he has violated the IUP -
> the images are watermarked.
>
> - Chris
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Chad <innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Philippe|Wiki <philippe.wiki@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed with Geoffrey, and I never cease to be amazed at how folks find
> > > a way to say "zOMG! This Can't Work!" instead of "OK, let's make this
> > > work."
> > >
> > > We've seen a lot of that the last couple of days on this list.
> > >
> > > philippe
> >
> >
> > s/days/years/
> >
> > -Chad
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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
I'm assuming the "Image Use Policy."

A gentle reminder to those on this list who hail from enwiki: not
all of us speak in acronyms.

-Chad

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hoi
> What is IUP ?
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> 2009/1/29 Chris Down <neuro.wikipedia@googlemail.com>
>
> > This is all well and good, but on another note, he has violated the IUP -
> > the images are watermarked.
> >
> > - Chris
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Chad <innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Philippe|Wiki <
> philippe.wiki@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agreed with Geoffrey, and I never cease to be amazed at how folks
> find
> > > > a way to say "zOMG! This Can't Work!" instead of "OK, let's make
> this
> > > > work."
> > > >
> > > > We've seen a lot of that the last couple of days on this list.
> > > >
> > > > philippe
> > >
> > >
> > > s/days/years/
> > >
> > > -Chad
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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
Yes, IUP. Sorry, thought i was on the wikien-l list for some reason.

- Chris

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Chad <innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm assuming the "Image Use Policy."
>
> A gentle reminder to those on this list who hail from enwiki: not
> all of us speak in acronyms.
>
> -Chad
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hoi
> > What is IUP ?
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > 2009/1/29 Chris Down <neuro.wikipedia@googlemail.com>
> >
> > > This is all well and good, but on another note, he has violated the IUP
> -
> > > the images are watermarked.
> > >
> > > - Chris
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Chad <innocentkiller@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Philippe|Wiki <
> > philippe.wiki@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Agreed with Geoffrey, and I never cease to be amazed at how folks
> > find
> > > > > a way to say "zOMG! This Can't Work!" instead of "OK, let's make
> > this
> > > > > work."
> > > > >
> > > > > We've seen a lot of that the last couple of days on this list.
> > > > >
> > > > > philippe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > s/days/years/
> > > >
> > > > -Chad
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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
Gerard Meijssen hett schreven:
> Hoi
> What is IUP ?
> Thanks,
> GerardM
[[en:WP:IUP]]

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Re: Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy [ In reply to ]
Specifically this<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#User-created_images>
.

- Chris

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Marcus Buck <me@marcusbuck.org> wrote:

> Gerard Meijssen hett schreven:
> > Hoi
> > What is IUP ?
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> [[en:WP:IUP]]
>
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