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Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway?
A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read
it as it is too late now (I just heard friend's description of the
article), but I think that there is no sense to wait tomorrow for
sharing it. The issue is important enough to be analyzed.

[1] - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/who-the-hell-writes-wikipedia-anyway

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Re: Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway? [ In reply to ]
I do.

2009/1/7 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>:
> A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read
> it as it is too late now (I just heard friend's description of the
> article), but I think that there is no sense to wait tomorrow for
> sharing it. The issue is important enough to be analyzed.
>
> [1] - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/who-the-hell-writes-wikipedia-anyway
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Re: Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway? [ In reply to ]
The one thing he seems to have missed so far is the sub-communities of
people on individual groups of topics.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mark Williamson <node.ue@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do.
>
> 2009/1/7 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>:
>> A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read
>> it as it is too late now (I just heard friend's description of the
>> article), but I think that there is no sense to wait tomorrow for
>> sharing it. The issue is important enough to be analyzed.
>>
>> [1] - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/who-the-hell-writes-wikipedia-anyway
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Re: Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway? [ In reply to ]
Hello,

Aaron Swartz is right in so far that the "Jimmy Wales method" of looking at
the number of edits of users is not enough. I would like to know whether
Swartz counts really letters (for an encyclopaedic text), as he says, or
bytes.

According to him, most of the Wikipedia texts are written by IP users, and
the "500 heroes", the steady editors, are only the editors who make the
texts look more beautiful and fit into a concept. He says that most
contributors (IP users) do not even see the need to register, and they only
make a limited number of edits. They, meaning ten thousands of mostly
unregistered users, write the Wikipedia, not the 500 or 1400 or 1000-2000
community members Wales mentions in public.

I believe that the weak point of Swartz' research is that we cannot really
identify the users who contribute. I just looked at [[de:Georg Michaelis]]:
The core of the text was entered in 2004 by an IP user who actually did less
than 30 edits. But - it is possible that this IP user later contributed
under a different IP, or that he later registered, or even has several
accounts.

The next essential contribution to that article were some works of or about
Michaelis, and the third was made by a registered user. This confirms our
thesis that most of the articles are essentially written by a small number
of users. The question is in how far we can call them a "community", also
seen the volatile character of many users who are part of the community
maybe only for a couple of years.

Ziko



2009/1/8 David Goodman <dgoodmanny@gmail.com>

> The one thing he seems to have missed so far is the sub-communities of
> people on individual groups of topics.
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mark Williamson <node.ue@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I do.
> >
> > 2009/1/7 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>:
> >> A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read
> >> it as it is too late now (I just heard friend's description of the
> >> article), but I think that there is no sense to wait tomorrow for
> >> sharing it. The issue is important enough to be analyzed.
> >>
> >> [1] -
> http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/who-the-hell-writes-wikipedia-anyway
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Re: Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway? [ In reply to ]
2009/1/8 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>:
> A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1].
> ...
> [1] - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/who-the-hell-writes-wikipedia-anyway

Is the date on it correct? I remember reading this or something very
similar months ago, if not years.

It is a yet-another proof that responsible anonymous editors are a
good thing all-in-all and that forcing people to create accounts is
counter-productive.

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I want to live in peace." - T. Moore

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Re: Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway? [ In reply to ]
2009/1/8 Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@gmail.com>:
> 2009/1/8 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>:
>> A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1].
>> ...
>> [1] - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/who-the-hell-writes-wikipedia-anyway
>
> Is the date on it correct? I remember reading this or something very
> similar months ago, if not years.
>
> It is a yet-another proof that responsible anonymous editors are a
> good thing all-in-all and that forcing people to create accounts is
> counter-productive.


Yes. This is old story from 2006:

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/whowriteswikipedia

IMHO all this analysis is basicly untrustworthy - it is based on
histories of "several articles", even not mentioned by the author,
except only one. So, there is very little "experimental data" and
quite a lot of unproved, controversial theses which do not fit well
with other experimental data - for example statistics from servers. I
think the real picture on "who the hell writes Wikipedia" is much more
complex than just two opposites:
*it is writen mainly by regular, registered users and the IP's
contributions are negleblible
*it is writen mainly by irregular, mainly unregistered users and the
reglular, registered ones mainly play a role of editors of other's
content.

First of all - there are diffrent groups of registered, regular users
- some indeed are focused on cleaning-up, some on other editorial
works and quite a lot still simply writes articles. Second of all -
there are also different groups of irregular users - some just writes
several or only one article and leave, but there are also many doing
simple editing works like correcting spelling. Finally, people change
over the time - they might start as a unregistered writers then join
"cleaning department" sysops and after that join their favorite
wikiprojects and writes good articles in a team.

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Re: Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway? [ In reply to ]
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mark Williamson <node.ue@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do.

Bots do.


> 2009/1/7 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com>:
>> A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read
>> it as it is too late now (I just heard friend's description of the
>> article), but I think that there is no sense to wait tomorrow for
>> sharing it. The issue is important enough to be analyzed.
>>
>> [1] - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/who-the-hell-writes-wikipedia-anyway
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