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2008/12/5 Rand Montoya <rmontoya@wikimedia.org>:
> Hey All-
>
> If you have the time and energy, take a look at this site notice here:
> http://dev.donate.wikimedia.org/index.php/Donate/Notice8a/en
>
> I'm looking for a few different/better ideas of what text should go on
> the left side (in place of the 250 million visitors/11 million
> articles). Right now there is strictly a data/numerical piece, but it
> can better.

Is there going to be something on the right-hand side?

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2008/12/5 Andrew Gray <shimgray@gmail.com>:
> 2008/12/5 Rand Montoya <rmontoya@wikimedia.org>:

>> If you have the time and energy, take a look at this site notice here:
>> http://dev.donate.wikimedia.org/index.php/Donate/Notice8a/en
>> I'm looking for a few different/better ideas of what text should go on
>> the left side (in place of the 250 million visitors/11 million
>> articles). Right now there is strictly a data/numerical piece, but it
>> can better.

> Is there going to be something on the right-hand side?


Presumably the "Donate" button ... it was obvious to me, but evidently
not to you.

My suggestion:

2 million images
11 million pages
250 million visitors
Educating the world


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2008/12/5 David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com>

> 2008/12/5 Andrew Gray <shimgray@gmail.com>:
> > 2008/12/5 Rand Montoya <rmontoya@wikimedia.org>:
>
> >> If you have the time and energy, take a look at this site notice here:
> >> http://dev.donate.wikimedia.org/index.php/Donate/Notice8a/en
> >> I'm looking for a few different/better ideas of what text should go on
> >> the left side (in place of the 250 million visitors/11 million
> >> articles). Right now there is strictly a data/numerical piece, but it
> >> can better.
>
> > Is there going to be something on the right-hand side?
>
>
> Presumably the "Donate" button ... it was obvious to me, but evidently
> not to you.
>
> My suggestion:
>
> 2 million images
> 11 million pages
> 250 million visitors
> Educating the world
>
>
> - d.
>

2 million images?? There's currently
3,589,050<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics> freely
usable<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia>media
files at Wikimedia Commons...

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2008/12/5 Finn Rindahl <finnrindwiki@gmail.com>:

> 2 million images?? There's currently
> 3,589,050<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics> freely
> usable<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia>media
> files at Wikimedia Commons...


Whatever, pick a number :-D


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"260 languages"

This page says they are technically 264 Wikipedias:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Languages

But Herero and Tokipona have 0 articles, and Simple English, useful as
it may be, isn't really a separate language.

So, I say we go with 260.

Thanks,
Pharos

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Rand Montoya <rmontoya@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hey All-
>
> If you have the time and energy, take a look at this site notice here:
> http://dev.donate.wikimedia.org/index.php/Donate/Notice8a/en
>
> I'm looking for a few different/better ideas of what text should go on
> the left side (in place of the 250 million visitors/11 million
> articles). Right now there is strictly a data/numerical piece, but it
> can better.
>
> If you have an idea, please send to me at rand@wikimedia.org.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Rand
>
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What about the total number of edits? Does anyone know that number? And I
mean for *all* language versions together. Assuming an avg 10 edits/article:

110 million edits
to write 11 million articles
//
6 million dollar (or the actual current needed number)
to keep Wikimedia running


Free Access
to the sum of knowledge
//
Donate now

(xx pages of) free information
you can edit
//
Donate now

Free knowledge
No commercials
//
donate now

Lodewijk

2008/12/5 David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com>

> 2008/12/5 Finn Rindahl <finnrindwiki@gmail.com>:
>
> > 2 million images?? There's currently
> > 3,589,050<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics> freely
> > usable<
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia
> >media
> > files at Wikimedia Commons...
>
>
> Whatever, pick a number :-D
>
>
> - d.
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"2,434 articles on people born in 1908"

Ha!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1908_births

Thanks,
Richard

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Rand Montoya <rmontoya@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hey All-
>
> If you have the time and energy, take a look at this site notice here:
> http://dev.donate.wikimedia.org/index.php/Donate/Notice8a/en
>
> I'm looking for a few different/better ideas of what text should go on
> the left side (in place of the 250 million visitors/11 million
> articles). Right now there is strictly a data/numerical piece, but it
> can better.
>
> If you have an idea, please send to me at rand@wikimedia.org.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Rand
>
> --
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> Wikimedia Foundation
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> Email: rand@wikimedia.org
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> Fax: 415.882.0495
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effe iets anders wrote:
> What about the total number of edits? Does anyone know that number? And I
> mean for *all* language versions together. Assuming an avg 10 edits/article:
>
> 110 million edits
> to write 11 million articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics gives 268 million+ for
enwiki alone, but I agree that would be a good one.

The number of page views per second might also be interesting. I believe
the number of total server requests per second average is something like
55,000, though that includes images, stylesheets, etc. I'm not sure how
it translates into actual pageviews. Special:Search on enwiki alone gets
about 240 hits/s at peak time.

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Alex <mrzmanwiki@gmail.com> wrote:
> effe iets anders wrote:
>> What about the total number of edits? Does anyone know that number? And I
>> mean for *all* language versions together. Assuming an avg 10 edits/article:
>>
>> 110 million edits
>> to write 11 million articles
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics gives 268 million+ for
> enwiki alone, but I agree that would be a good one.

That 268M is for all edits, not just article edits.

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2008/12/5 Robert Rohde <rarohde@gmail.com>:


>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics gives 268 million+ for
>> enwiki alone, but I agree that would be a good one.
>
> That 268M is for all edits, not just article edits.

"268,000,000 contributions" would be fun; probably ~500,000,000 for
all wikis put together.

(A total aggregate edit counter for all wikis, updating on the fly,
would be delightful to watch. But perhaps logistically impractical...)

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>wrote:

> "2,434 articles on people born in 1908"
>
> Ha!
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1908_births
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
>
"347 articles on internet memes"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_memes

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"14 articles on famous cows"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Famous_cattle

That's still gotta be way more than Britannica.

Thanks,
Pharos

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Chad <innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> "2,434 articles on people born in 1908"
>>
>> Ha!
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1908_births
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard
>>
>>
> "347 articles on internet memes"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_memes
>
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"14 articles on famous cows"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Famous_cattle

That's still gotta be way more than Britannica.

Thanks,
Pharos

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Chad <innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> "2,434 articles on people born in 1908"
>>
>> Ha!
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1908_births
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard
>>
>>
> "347 articles on internet memes"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_memes
>
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http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm

More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second)

Lodewijk

2008/12/5 Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>

> "14 articles on famous cows"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Famous_cattle
>
> That's still gotta be way more than Britannica.
>
> Thanks,
> Pharos
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Chad <innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> "2,434 articles on people born in 1908"
> >>
> >> Ha!
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1908_births
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> > "347 articles on internet memes"
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_memes
> >
> > -Chad
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2008/12/5 effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>:

> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
> More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second)



Donate
4 million pictures
11 million pages
10 billion page views
Educating the world


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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, effe iets anders
<effeietsanders@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
>
> More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second)

24 hour average HTTP request rate is 46347. So thats 120,131,424,000
HTTP requests per month. I have a hard time believing that we're
averaging more than 12 HTTP requests per page view on average. I think
something is inaccurate, and I think the HTTP request rate the more
trustworthy number.

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:58 PM, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Donate
> 4 million pictures
> 11 million pages
> 10 billion page views
> Educating the world

I think this is really fantastic, by the way. The "educating the
world" has a lot of resonance for me and people that I talk with about
Wikipedia.

More can be said along these lines, e.g. presenting Wikipedia as one
of the few beacons of light against the force of anti-intellectualism
which pervades so much popular media these days.

If you asked me a decade ago if I thought an encyclopedia would be one
of the worlds most popular websites I might have laughed at the
question. Wikipedia improves my faith in humanity.

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Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, effe iets anders
> <effeietsanders@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
>>
>> More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second)
>
> 24 hour average HTTP request rate is 46347. So thats 120,131,424,000
> HTTP requests per month. I have a hard time believing that we're
> averaging more than 12 HTTP requests per page view on average. I think
> something is inaccurate, and I think the HTTP request rate the more
> trustworthy number.

Sounds on the right order of magnitude to me. I just tried a full-reload
on a random short article with no images:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_J._Harlan

which totaled 25 HTTP requests (including the fundraiser notice banner):

1 HTML page
3 static style sheets
3 dynamic style sheets
4 static JavaScripts
2 dynamic JavaScripts
1 fundraising banner JS
3 fundraising banner images
8 UI images (logo, background, icons)

If you hit multiple pages, more of those will be cached, but you'll end
up loading additional images as well.

At some point we'll probably do some more consolidation on the CSS and
JS files that get loaded most frequently to reduce the number of server
round-trips on a first hit.

- -- brion
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Chad wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> "2,434 articles on people born in 1908"
>>
>> Ha!
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1908_births
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard
>>
>>
> "347 articles on internet memes"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_memes
>

90 free lolcats:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lolcats

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2008/12/5 Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>:
> I think this is really fantastic, by the way. The "educating the
> world" has a lot of resonance for me and people that I talk with about
> Wikipedia.

How about:

11 million articles
150,000 volunteers
Your faith in humanity
->
Donate now

;-)

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Making the internet not suck || Donate now.

2008/12/5 Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org>

> 2008/12/5 Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>:
> > I think this is really fantastic, by the way. The "educating the
> > world" has a lot of resonance for me and people that I talk with about
> > Wikipedia.
>
> How about:
>
> 11 million articles
> 150,000 volunteers
> Your faith in humanity
> ->
> Donate now
>
> ;-)
>
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Brion Vibber wrote:
> Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, effe iets anders
>> <effeietsanders@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
>>>
>>> More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second)
>> 24 hour average HTTP request rate is 46347. So thats 120,131,424,000
>> HTTP requests per month. I have a hard time believing that we're
>> averaging more than 12 HTTP requests per page view on average. I think
>> something is inaccurate, and I think the HTTP request rate the more
>> trustworthy number.
>
> Sounds on the right order of magnitude to me. I just tried a full-reload
> on a random short article with no images:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_J._Harlan
>
> which totaled 25 HTTP requests (including the fundraiser notice banner):
>
> 1 HTML page
> 3 static style sheets
> 3 dynamic style sheets
> 4 static JavaScripts
> 2 dynamic JavaScripts
> 1 fundraising banner JS
> 3 fundraising banner images
> 8 UI images (logo, background, icons)
>
> If you hit multiple pages, more of those will be cached, but you'll end
> up loading additional images as well.
>
> At some point we'll probably do some more consolidation on the CSS and
> JS files that get loaded most frequently to reduce the number of server
> round-trips on a first hit.
>
> -- brion

Based on Domas's pageview stats[1] for the past 14 days (11/21 - 12/04)
we get an average of 4112 pageviews per second, 4.9 billion total views
for the 2 week period. The results per day are available at [2].

Out of curiosity, I also checked the 3 days around the recent US
election day (11/03 - 11/05), the average views per second was 4599, an
additional 42 million pageviews per day on average (though that's
somewhat misleading, as that range is only weekdays and the number of
pageviews tends to decrease significantly on weekends)

[1] <http://dammit.lt/wikistats/> Caution: fairly large page
[2] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mr.Z-man/views>
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Andrew Gray wrote:

> "268,000,000 contributions" would be fun; probably ~500,000,000 for
> all wikis put together.

We're now very close to a mathematical definition of the idiom "my
two cents", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_two_cents_(idiom)

If every one of these 268 million edits was followed by a donation
of 2 cents, we'd have the 5.36 million dollars that we need.


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McDonalds: serves 75 million people a month
Wikipedia: 275 million

'nuff said.

Lars Aronsson wrote:
> Andrew Gray wrote:
>
>> "268,000,000 contributions" would be fun; probably ~500,000,000 for
>> all wikis put together.
>
> We're now very close to a mathematical definition of the idiom "my
> two cents", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_two_cents_(idiom)
>
> If every one of these 268 million edits was followed by a donation
> of 2 cents, we'd have the 5.36 million dollars that we need.
>
>

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