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Hoi,
As I have indicated in the past, it is possible to gain tax deductibility
for the WMF itself in the Netherlands. You do not even have to have an
organisational base in the Netherlands for this.. It just takes the right
person, in skills, to go and ask for permission. For the WMF it means that a
certain amount and quality of documentation has to be made available to the
Dutch tax office in Heerlen (as I recall).
Thanks,
GerardM

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod@mccme.ru>wrote:

> > No doubt considerably less than if it were tax deductible. Tax
> > deductibility is actually quite generous here when it can be used.
> > Anyone whose total donations to all qualifying charities exceeds $200
> > will effectively get back a little more than half of that excess.
> >
> Well, in Europe it is also not tax deductible (may be with some exceptions
> I am not aware of).
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
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> No doubt considerably less than if it were tax deductible. Tax
> deductibility is actually quite generous here when it can be used.
> Anyone whose total donations to all qualifying charities exceeds $200
> will effectively get back a little more than half of that excess.
>
Well, in Europe it is also not tax deductible (may be with some exceptions
I am not aware of).

Cheers
Yaroslav


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Thank god that we have the Euro now, and don't have to choose between Dutch
Guilder and Belgian Frank for Dutch... (same goes for German etc)

More of a challange seems Spanish to me nowadays :)

but, back to french: can't we have some kind of geo-whois on the IP of the
visitor, and taylor the currency on that? That should take away at least the
algerians from the equation? Maybe too tough for this year, but might be
something to consider for next time. Or is this already in the pipeline?
(Rand? :) )

Lodewijk

2008/11/7 Florence Devouard <Anthere9@yahoo.com>

> Casey Brown wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> Talking about the banner and currencies, I am not quite sure why some
> >> languages are in dollars and others are in euros. It might make sense in
> >> Deutsch (mostly Deutsch people will donate and of course, they will
> >> donate in euros preferably), but not really in French (canadian, french,
> >> swiss, algerian etc... all use different currencies). I expect the
> >> Foundation receive quite a lot from canadians... who will find odd to
> >> find an american organization propose a donation in euros.
> >>
> >> But beyond this, I noted an oddity.
> >> The banner is currently suggesting donating 30 dollars, 75 dollars or
> >> 100 dollars per default. Thank god, people can choose to give other
> >> values and in particular less. Given that the average donation in the
> >> past was 30 dollars, suggesting 30 dollars as minimal value is... bold.
> >>
> >> But other languages, such as german, also propose 30/75/100, but not in
> >> dollars... in euros. Unfortunately, a 30 dollars today is below 20 euros
> >> today. So, a minimal gift of 30 euros is more about 40-45 dollars.
> >> I do not think it is a good idea to suggest different values according
> >> to languages. Somehow, it strikes me as "unequal". I think we should
> >> stick to dollars in any cases. Imho.
> >>
> >> (I am not going to scream about this, I just find it is not a good
> idea).
> >>
> >> Ant
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I rely on the translators and the people who *live* in the country to
> > figure out what amount to give. For example, for Bulgarian we were
> > definitely not going to do 15 Euros... that's a *lot* of money for
> > people in Bulgaria (where most of the Bulgarians are).
> >
> > There really isn't a reason to complain about the currency, there's a
> > drop-down where you can select the one that you prefer. :-) We had to
> > pick the one that fit best with the speakers of the language *and*
> > that was offered by PayPal (if there was no available option, we'd use
> > the default: USD). Within those parameters, I think we are doing a
> > pretty good job.
> >
> > If you have any comments about a specific language and find that it
> > would be way too much to ask of the local people (not something like
> > "they are asking more of Europeans!" because I agree with Sebmol as he
> > said earlier), please drop me a line. ;-)
> >
>
>
> Yeah. The line has been dropped in the past two messages already, I am
> not going to repeat myself. But as I said, this is my opinion, and I am
> not going to make a drama of that. To a certain extent, I do not care.
>
>
>
> However, I care about French and I care about not trying to show that
> France is the center of the world.
>
> I switched the French speaking page to dollars instead of Euros.
> Now, IF you have a good argument for the Foundation, an american
> organization, to decide to fundraise in euros rather than any other
> currency WHEN the interface is in French, I'll listen carefully.
> What I know is that there are essentially four French speaking countries
> in Europe. One is France and we suggest they give to the chapter. One is
> Switzerland and we suggest they give to the chapter (and their currency
> is not euro anyway). Granted, Belgian and Luxembourg people will give to
> WMF in euros perhaps. But I am pretty sure the addition of Belgian and
> Luxembourg will end up less than French canadian or African
> contributors. So, there is no sense putting euros by default.
>
> I wish I, a French, would not have to explain others that France is not
> the center of the French speaking world...
>
> Oh wait... but maybe it is ? Jeee, sorry :-)
>
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On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:34 PM, effe iets anders
<effeietsanders@gmail.com>wrote:

> (same goes for German etc)
>

Yeah, almost. But there is one country whose politicians bravely resist
etc.etc.

And thus, we're still stuck with our own currency :-)

Michael

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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> I wish I, a French, would not have to explain others that France is not
> the center of the French speaking world...


Like England is the center of the English speaking world, right? It's named
after England, after all.


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> Hoi,
> As I have indicated in the past, it is possible to gain tax deductibility
> for the WMF itself in the Netherlands. You do not even have to have an
> organisational base in the Netherlands for this.. It just takes the right
> person, in skills, to go and ask for permission. For the WMF it means that
> a
> certain amount and quality of documentation has to be made available to
> the
> Dutch tax office in Heerlen (as I recall).
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>

I believe if I donate I can not deduce it from my tax. (My file is also in
Heerlen if it matters).

Cheers
Yaroslav


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Hoi,
The issue is that the tax office's department that does assess if an
organisation external to the Netherlands can gain the privilege of raising
funds in the Netherlands that is exempt for income tax for people who pay
taxes in the Netherlands.
Thanks,
GerardM

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod@mccme.ru>wrote:

> > Hoi,
> > As I have indicated in the past, it is possible to gain tax deductibility
> > for the WMF itself in the Netherlands. You do not even have to have an
> > organisational base in the Netherlands for this.. It just takes the right
> > person, in skills, to go and ask for permission. For the WMF it means
> that
> > a
> > certain amount and quality of documentation has to be made available to
> > the
> > Dutch tax office in Heerlen (as I recall).
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
>
> I believe if I donate I can not deduce it from my tax. (My file is also in
> Heerlen if it matters).
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
>
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effe iets anders wrote:
> Thank god that we have the Euro now, and don't have to choose between Dutch
> Guilder and Belgian Frank for Dutch... (same goes for German etc)
>
> More of a challange seems Spanish to me nowadays :)
>
> but, back to french: can't we have some kind of geo-whois on the IP of the
> visitor, and taylor the currency on that? That should take away at least the
> algerians from the equation? Maybe too tough for this year, but might be
> something to consider for next time. Or is this already in the pipeline?
> (Rand? :) )

Worth considering, but no guarantee for this year. :)

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Bence Damokos wrote:
> What I would like as well, if possible, is support from the technical side
> to have detailed as detailed statistics about the different currencies as
> there are for US dollar (e.g. the percentage of donations matching exactly
> one of the three options on the donation page), and also the ability to look
> at the data already presented (total amount, average, min, max in a given
> currency) to be available denominated in the original currency as well. I am
> not sure, but having this extra data might confirm if the correct default
> amounts were guessed correctly, or if the least chosen amount should be
> substituted for a different one.

Mmm, we could probably do that. :)

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