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Board meeting report
I wanted to give a report on our board meeting earlier this month. This
is not in place of the meeting minutes, which will be published when
they're ready and approved. But the discussion here was very helpful to
the meeting, and I'd like to share some of what we worked on, and
mention outcomes where there are any.

I'll start with policy business. We approved two updates to our official
policies. One is the revised privacy policy which has been discussed
here a few times previously. The other is an update to the gift policy,
which was no longer reflecting our organizational structure and needed
some more specific guidance. The updated policy is not a substantive
change in our philosophy, it simply clarifies some points. For example,
the foundation intends to convert gifts of securities into cash upon
receipt, rather than having them sit for long periods and be subject to
market fluctuations (in the past, we've both gained and lost money in
such circumstances, so it's pretty much a wash). Oh, and in case you
were wondering, the policy documents that we won't normally offer naming
opportunities. Well, we can name servers, but for some reason donors
haven't shown too much interest in that. Patti has put the new versions
of these policies up on the foundation website.

Stu updated us on the status of the audit, which is progressing
reasonably well, certainly more quickly than last year. The audited
financial statements should be ready for us to approve no later than the
next board meeting in November (on IRC).

Speaking of next board meetings, we also set the board's calendar for
the coming year. That should make it easier to plan our schedules and
make sure all trustees can attend (this was the first time we've had
everyone together since I joined the board). It may also be of interest
to people who are thinking of being candidates, either in next June's
elections or for the chapter-selected seats. In addition to the IRC
meeting November 3 this year, in 2009 we've set aside January 9-11 in
San Francisco, April 3-5 (location to be determined, possibly in
conjunction with a chapters meeting), August 27 in Buenos Aires (as
usual, a short meeting prior to Wikimania), and October 23-25 in San
Francisco again. More IRC meetings may be scheduled as necessary, but
those don't involve travel and are easier to plan.

Jan-Bart gave a presentation on open standards, which led into the
broader topic (including file formats) that I introduced earlier.
Jan-Bart feels that considering our commitment to these ideals - freely
licensed content, free software, web standards - our projects are not
doing nearly as much as they could on open standards in education. It's
an important aspect of our mission, the standards often exist already
and are in use in the educational community, and our impact in that
world would grow significantly by working towards them.

For the broader discussion, first of all, thanks to everyone who gave
their input here, it was tremendously valuable. As indicated earlier, we
didn't have this conversation to make an immediate decision at the
meeting. The board does want to maintain our commitment, as reflected in
both the foundation and the community, to free and open access to
knowledge. Along those lines, the earlier draft of a file format policy
will be revisited, and we may consider passing a revised version.
However, it's also not clear that this would be a good idea. One issue
would be if it inadvertently prohibits positive approaches in the
future, such as the uses for Flash that Brion mentioned. (At least,
nobody seemed to have a problem with those, please correct me if that's
not the case.) So I wonder if it might not be wiser to avoid attempting
something at the board level that requires us to pin down definitions
for file formats, platforms, and so on in ways that may have unintended
consequences. Further feedback and discussion is welcome.

Along with standards and file formats, the issues we spent the most time
on were the advisory board and chapters. As this message is already
rather long, I'll be more brief about those. We've realized that
advisory board members were originally appointed for one-year terms, so
most of them have been serving longer than anticipated. We discussed the
skills and qualities we want the advisory board to help with, and will
be inviting some of the existing group to continue on, while also adding
new appointments from time to time. Jan-Bart is working on a proposal
for handling this, so we can have less of an ad hoc approach. Finally,
I'll just save the chapter business for a separate email in the next day
or so.

--Michael Snow


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Re: Board meeting report [ In reply to ]
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Michael Snow <wikipedia@verizon.net> wrote

Thanks for the summary post!

> [...]
> For the broader discussion, first of all, thanks to everyone who gave
> their input here, it was tremendously valuable. As indicated earlier, we
> didn't have this conversation to make an immediate decision at the
> meeting. The board does want to maintain our commitment, as reflected in
> both the foundation and the community, to free and open access to
> knowledge. Along those lines, the earlier draft of a file format policy
> will be revisited, and we may consider passing a revised version.
> However, it's also not clear that this would be a good idea. One issue
> would be if it inadvertently prohibits positive approaches in the
> future, such as the uses for Flash that Brion mentioned. (At least,
> nobody seemed to have a problem with those, please correct me if that's
> not the case.) So I wonder if it might not be wiser to avoid attempting
> something at the board level that requires us to pin down definitions
> for file formats, platforms, and so on in ways that may have unintended
> consequences. Further feedback and discussion is welcome.

Well, since you've opened it up to discussion...!

As Michael says, there weren't really any hard decisions made on this
-- more of a discussion of our varying points of view and reasoning.
And so I will give my own opinion in response to his: I'm in favor of
having a firm resolution so there is some clear and definite text to
point to that says we do have that commitment to openness, and gives a
set of criteria to evaluate a new proposal with. (It's possible the
drafting may turn out to exclude something we all agree should be
permitted, or have other unintended consequences, in which case I
think we could all agree to amend it! I don't believe the current
proposal disallows anything we would allow -- in particular it takes
into account things like acceptable subsets of otherwise problematic
formats -- but I hope people will correct obvious omissions in the
posted draft.) But I think it would be worthwhile to have as an
explanation of what we're doing -- or not doing -- and why.

[...]
> Finally,
> I'll just save the chapter business for a separate email in the next day
> or so.

Well, now you're just leaving people in suspense! :-)

Cheers,
Kat

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Re: Board meeting report [ In reply to ]
2008/10/19 Michael Snow <wikipedia@verizon.net>:
> Jan-Bart gave a presentation on open standards, which led into the
> broader topic (including file formats) that I introduced earlier.
> Jan-Bart feels that considering our commitment to these ideals - freely
> licensed content, free software, web standards - our projects are not
> doing nearly as much as they could on open standards in education. It's
> an important aspect of our mission, the standards often exist already
> and are in use in the educational community, and our impact in that
> world would grow significantly by working towards them.

Interesting. Jan-Bart, what kind of "open standards in education" are
you referring to? Like standardised curricula, or something else?

cheers,
Brianna

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Re: Board meeting report [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Brianna Laugher
<brianna.laugher@gmail.com>wrote:

> 2008/10/19 Michael Snow <wikipedia@verizon.net>:
> > Jan-Bart gave a presentation on open standards, which led into the
> > broader topic (including file formats) that I introduced earlier.
> > Jan-Bart feels that considering our commitment to these ideals - freely
> > licensed content, free software, web standards - our projects are not
> > doing nearly as much as they could on open standards in education. It's
> > an important aspect of our mission, the standards often exist already
> > and are in use in the educational community, and our impact in that
> > world would grow significantly by working towards them.
>
> Interesting. Jan-Bart, what kind of "open standards in education" are
> you referring to? Like standardised curricula, or something else?
>
> cheers,
> Brianna
>
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probably something closer to this
http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/papers/elpub-2007/ i guess?
best,
oscar

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Re: Board meeting report [ In reply to ]
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Kat Walsh <kat@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> As Michael says, there weren't really any hard decisions made on this
> -- more of a discussion of our varying points of view and reasoning.
> And so I will give my own opinion in response to his: I'm in favor of
> having a firm resolution so there is some clear and definite text to
> point to that says we do have that commitment to openness, and gives a
> set of criteria to evaluate a new proposal with. (It's possible the
> drafting may turn out to exclude something we all agree should be
> permitted, or have other unintended consequences, in which case I
> think we could all agree to amend it! I don't believe the current
> proposal disallows anything we would allow -- in particular it takes
> into account things like acceptable subsets of otherwise problematic
> formats -- but I hope people will correct obvious omissions in the
> posted draft.) But I think it would be worthwhile to have as an
> explanation of what we're doing -- or not doing -- and why.

The current proposal seems to ban anything that's not standardized,
which is a *lot* of stuff. Various microformats, to begin with, but
also quite importantly wikitext. That seems to be a critical problem.
A possibly less pressing problem is that it rules out the use of
proprietary technologies to provide fallbacks for standard formats,
which we might not want.

I've commented at <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_format_policy>.
(Although if my comments are helpful, maybe they'd have been more so
before the Board meeting . . .)

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Re: Board meeting report [ In reply to ]
oscar van dillen wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Brianna Laugher
> <brianna.laugher@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> 2008/10/19 Michael Snow <wikipedia@verizon.net>:
>>
>>> Jan-Bart gave a presentation on open standards, which led into the
>>> broader topic (including file formats) that I introduced earlier.
>>> Jan-Bart feels that considering our commitment to these ideals - freely
>>> licensed content, free software, web standards - our projects are not
>>> doing nearly as much as they could on open standards in education. It's
>>> an important aspect of our mission, the standards often exist already
>>> and are in use in the educational community, and our impact in that
>>> world would grow significantly by working towards them.
>>>
>> Interesting. Jan-Bart, what kind of "open standards in education" are
>> you referring to? Like standardised curricula, or something else?
>>
> probably something closer to this
> http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/papers/elpub-2007/ i guess?
>
Jan-Bart can elaborate for himself if he wishes, but you could probably
get some idea of it there, it looks like. IMS and SCORM, which are
discussed in that paper, were among the examples he mentioned.

--Michael Snow


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Re: Board meeting report [ In reply to ]
Kat Walsh wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Michael Snow <wikipedia@verizon.net> wrote
>
>> For the broader discussion, first of all, thanks to everyone who gave
>> their input here, it was tremendously valuable. As indicated earlier, we
>> didn't have this conversation to make an immediate decision at the
>> meeting. The board does want to maintain our commitment, as reflected in
>> both the foundation and the community, to free and open access to
>> knowledge. Along those lines, the earlier draft of a file format policy
>> will be revisited, and we may consider passing a revised version.
>> However, it's also not clear that this would be a good idea. One issue
>> would be if it inadvertently prohibits positive approaches in the
>> future, such as the uses for Flash that Brion mentioned. (At least,
>> nobody seemed to have a problem with those, please correct me if that's
>> not the case.) So I wonder if it might not be wiser to avoid attempting
>> something at the board level that requires us to pin down definitions
>> for file formats, platforms, and so on in ways that may have unintended
>> consequences. Further feedback and discussion is welcome.
>>
> Well, since you've opened it up to discussion...!
>
> As Michael says, there weren't really any hard decisions made on this
> -- more of a discussion of our varying points of view and reasoning.
> And so I will give my own opinion in response to his: I'm in favor of
> having a firm resolution so there is some clear and definite text to
> point to that says we do have that commitment to openness, and gives a
> set of criteria to evaluate a new proposal with. (It's possible the
> drafting may turn out to exclude something we all agree should be
> permitted, or have other unintended consequences, in which case I
> think we could all agree to amend it! I don't believe the current
> proposal disallows anything we would allow -- in particular it takes
> into account things like acceptable subsets of otherwise problematic
> formats -- but I hope people will correct obvious omissions in the
> posted draft.) But I think it would be worthwhile to have as an
> explanation of what we're doing -- or not doing -- and why.
>
Describing the value of it like this makes it sound to me like a policy
or resolution is not necessarily the right answer, but that it would
still be useful for the board to indicate the Wikimedia Foundation's
thinking on the issue. Should we look at some other way of making a
statement? I get the point you're making, but I would like it better if
we were saying something we don't need to unsay if there are issues
later, we can just build on it.
>> Finally,
>> I'll just save the chapter business for a separate email in the next day
>> or so.
>>
> Well, now you're just leaving people in suspense! :-)
>
Not that Kat herself was in any suspense, but I hope I've alleviated
that now.

--Michael Snow


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