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On 10/10/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86@comcast.net> wrote:
> What do you mean by community education?

(Efforts to) educate members of the community to deal with more
complex issues then adding a year of birth of some movie star or
pushing POV.

Simply, Wikimedian projects are becoming huge enough to work as a
standard website community.

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on 10/9/07 9:03 PM, Milos Rancic at millosh@gmail.com wrote:

> On 10/10/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86@comcast.net> wrote:
>> What do you mean by community education?
>
> (Efforts to) educate members of the community to deal with more
> complex issues then adding a year of birth of some movie star or
> pushing POV.

Are you referring to specific subject content of articles?
>
> Simply, Wikimedian projects are becoming huge enough to work as a
> standard website community.
>
Like the USA (with due respect to the other countries represented here) it
can soon be called "The United Projects of Wikimedia" :-)

Marc


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On 10/10/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86@comcast.net> wrote:
> on 10/9/07 9:03 PM, Milos Rancic at millosh@gmail.com wrote:
> > (Efforts to) educate members of the community to deal with more
> > complex issues then adding a year of birth of some movie star or
> > pushing POV.
>
> Are you referring to specific subject content of articles?

No. I just said that such actions are the most popular and don't
require education.

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On 10/10/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86@comcast.net> wrote:
> on 10/9/07 9:03 PM, Milos Rancic at millosh@gmail.com wrote:
> > Simply, Wikimedian projects are becoming huge enough to work as a
> > standard website community.
> >
> Like the USA (with due respect to the other countries represented here) it
> can soon be called "The United Projects of Wikimedia" :-)

Actually, I expect that popular focus slowly switches from Wikipedia
to Wikinews. And after a couple of years of Wikinews development we
will have the real "United Projects of Wikimedia".

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> On 10/10/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86@comcast.net> wrote:
>> on 10/9/07 9:03 PM, Milos Rancic at millosh@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Simply, Wikimedian projects are becoming huge enough to work as a
>>> standard website community.
>>>
>> Like the USA (with due respect to the other countries represented here) it
>> can soon be called "The United Projects of Wikimedia" :-)

on 10/9/07 9:35 PM, Milos Rancic at millosh@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Actually, I expect that popular focus slowly switches from Wikipedia
> to Wikinews. And after a couple of years of Wikinews development we
> will have the real "United Projects of Wikimedia".
>
Sounds good.

BTW, I wasn't trying to be deliberately dense with my last message. I
honestly didn't know whether you meant educating the community members about
the specific content of an article, or the more technical elements of
editing itself. Personally, I would also like to see a project to educate
the members about how better to communicate with each other. This is proving
to be quite a hard sell.

Marc


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On 10/10/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Actually, I expect that popular focus slowly switches from Wikipedia
> > to Wikinews. And after a couple of years of Wikinews development we
> > will have the real "United Projects of Wikimedia".
> >
> Sounds good.

Actually, I think that Wikinews with 10% of Wikipedia contributors
will become a huge nightmare. Of course, if we wouldn't be prepared
for that.

I may imagine large scale edit wars on Wikinews, large scale legal
problems backed by a large scale of state authorities and
multinational companies. Wikinews in the top ten websites would mean
that a person who has access to Internet doesn't read/listen/watch any
other media.

From such position WM community will be able to have a significant
influence in the populations where Internet is a dominant source of
informations. This means that some facts presented on Wikinews may
lead to the victory/defeat of some political option... Or to much
higher/lower market share of some multinational company. And those
fields are dangerous and may lead to:

1) closure of Wikinews (and other projects?) or
2) making of Wikinews (and other projects?) a battlefield of different
*real* interest groups (implicitly or explicitly) or
3) "pacifying" community and driving it into the stagnation and decline or
4) Wikimedian community as dominant global political force.

If not 1, the most possible is merging of the rest three.

I don't want to say what is the good option and what is not (maybe all
of them are good, maybe all of them are bad). The only fact is that it
will be a real nightmare if we wouldn't be prepared.

> BTW, I wasn't trying to be deliberately dense with my last message. I
> honestly didn't know whether you meant educating the community members about
> the specific content of an article, or the more technical elements of
> editing itself. Personally, I would also like to see a project to educate
> the members about how better to communicate with each other. This is proving
> to be quite a hard sell.

I used the term in very wide range: from the particular subject, via
technical knowledge to communication and personal relations. Wikipedia
and other Wikimedian should become the school (actually, the whole
educational system) of the new age. If we don't take this position,
after 20 years Wikipedia will be studied as one of nice, good, but
past projects.

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