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Help!
I am an inspirational author. I have a newsletter list. I send out a
message a month to that list. However, my subscription address delivery
numbers have been nose-diving, and I couldn't figure out why. Then today,
I went on my hard bounce list, and there were several names that are
friends who clearly didn't hard bounce because of something they did. So I
investigated a bit further and one said it was bounced because the message
didn't comply with the spf something. So I then tried to investigate that,
which led me here.

Can someone tell me what's going on with this? How I can get "in
compliance" so that those who have subscribed to my newsletter can actually
get it?

Please help!

Stacy M. Wilhelm
writing as Staci Stallings
www.stacistallings.com
You'll feel better for the experience!

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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
For the not too technical:

SPF is a method to identify "authorized" mail servers sending out e-mail.

The organizaton running the DNS servers for a network (IP network) may enter
a text record that identifies known and therefore valid mail servers.

If you run your own mail server and it is not "blessed" by the people
running the DNS for your network, then other networks MAY decline your mail.

SPF is not universal... so some use it and some don't. If there are no SPF
records defined for your network, then it wouldn't affect you at this time.
But since you seem to be affected, it seems someone has published SPF
records, via DNS, and you are being blocked by some other mail systems.

You need to talk with the people who run your or your provider's DNS.

Cary Fitch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stacy M. Wilhelm" <samsaw@cox.net>
To: <spf-help@v2.listbox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:23 AM
Subject: [spf-help] Help!


> I am an inspirational author. I have a newsletter list. I send out a
> message a month to that list. However, my subscription address delivery
> numbers have been nose-diving, and I couldn't figure out why. Then today,
> I went on my hard bounce list, and there were several names that are
> friends who clearly didn't hard bounce because of something they did. So
I
> investigated a bit further and one said it was bounced because the message
> didn't comply with the spf something. So I then tried to investigate
that,
> which led me here.
>
> Can someone tell me what's going on with this? How I can get "in
> compliance" so that those who have subscribed to my newsletter can
actually
> get it?
>
> Please help!
>
> Stacy M. Wilhelm
> writing as Staci Stallings
> www.stacistallings.com
> You'll feel better for the experience!
>
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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
This means then I suppose that I should contact the people who run my list
and find out if they can get compliant with this? Will they even know what
I'm talking about?

Stacy

At 10:39 AM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>For the not too technical:
>
>SPF is a method to identify "authorized" mail servers sending out e-mail.
>
>The organizaton running the DNS servers for a network (IP network) may enter
>a text record that identifies known and therefore valid mail servers.
>
>If you run your own mail server and it is not "blessed" by the people
>running the DNS for your network, then other networks MAY decline your mail.
>
>SPF is not universal... so some use it and some don't. If there are no SPF
>records defined for your network, then it wouldn't affect you at this time.
>But since you seem to be affected, it seems someone has published SPF
>records, via DNS, and you are being blocked by some other mail systems.
>
>You need to talk with the people who run your or your provider's DNS.
>
>Cary Fitch
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stacy M. Wilhelm" <samsaw@cox.net>
>To: <spf-help@v2.listbox.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:23 AM
>Subject: [spf-help] Help!
>
>
> > I am an inspirational author. I have a newsletter list. I send out a
> > message a month to that list. However, my subscription address delivery
> > numbers have been nose-diving, and I couldn't figure out why. Then today,
> > I went on my hard bounce list, and there were several names that are
> > friends who clearly didn't hard bounce because of something they did. So
>I
> > investigated a bit further and one said it was bounced because the message
> > didn't comply with the spf something. So I then tried to investigate
>that,
> > which led me here.
> >
> > Can someone tell me what's going on with this? How I can get "in
> > compliance" so that those who have subscribed to my newsletter can
>actually
> > get it?
> >
> > Please help!
> >
> > Stacy M. Wilhelm
> > writing as Staci Stallings
> > www.stacistallings.com
> > You'll feel better for the experience!
> >
> > -------
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> > Donate! http://spf.pobox.com/donations.html
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>subscription,
> > please go to
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> >
>
>
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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
SPF is being adopted by major ISP, AOL, Comcast, Earthlink, and (of course)
pobox.com have adopted it so far. Many more are expected to soon as well,
Microsoft / hotmail has I know.

So if they don't know about it yet they should do some reading.

What it means is the server your mail goes out from isn't publishing SPF text
records and that is causing bounces to people whose mail servers are
checking SPF records, finding a lack, and thus denying mail.

More complete / accurate diagnostic would be possible with a full mail header
from one/more of your 'hard bounces.'

Kind regards,

Dave Dennis

+-------------------------
+ Dave Dennis
+ Seattle, WA
+ dmd@speakeasy.org
+ http://www.dmdennis.com
+-------------------------

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Stacy M. Wilhelm wrote:

> This means then I suppose that I should contact the people who run my list
> and find out if they can get compliant with this? Will they even know what
> I'm talking about?
>
> Stacy
>
> At 10:39 AM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >For the not too technical:
> >
> >SPF is a method to identify "authorized" mail servers sending out e-mail.
> >
> >The organizaton running the DNS servers for a network (IP network) may enter
> >a text record that identifies known and therefore valid mail servers.
> >
> >If you run your own mail server and it is not "blessed" by the people
> >running the DNS for your network, then other networks MAY decline your mail.
> >
> >SPF is not universal... so some use it and some don't. If there are no SPF
> >records defined for your network, then it wouldn't affect you at this time.
> >But since you seem to be affected, it seems someone has published SPF
> >records, via DNS, and you are being blocked by some other mail systems.
> >
> >You need to talk with the people who run your or your provider's DNS.
> >
> >Cary Fitch
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stacy M. Wilhelm" <samsaw@cox.net>
> >To: <spf-help@v2.listbox.com>
> >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:23 AM
> >Subject: [spf-help] Help!
> >
> >
> > > I am an inspirational author. I have a newsletter list. I send out a
> > > message a month to that list. However, my subscription address delivery
> > > numbers have been nose-diving, and I couldn't figure out why. Then today,
> > > I went on my hard bounce list, and there were several names that are
> > > friends who clearly didn't hard bounce because of something they did. So
> >I
> > > investigated a bit further and one said it was bounced because the message
> > > didn't comply with the spf something. So I then tried to investigate
> >that,
> > > which led me here.
> > >
> > > Can someone tell me what's going on with this? How I can get "in
> > > compliance" so that those who have subscribed to my newsletter can
> >actually
> > > get it?
> > >
> > > Please help!
> > >
> > > Stacy M. Wilhelm
> > > writing as Staci Stallings
> > > www.stacistallings.com
> > > You'll feel better for the experience!
> > >
> > > -------
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> > > Donate! http://spf.pobox.com/donations.html
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> >subscription,
> > > please go to
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> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> I am an inspirational author. I have a newsletter list. I send out a
> message a month to that list. However, my subscription address delivery
> numbers have been nose-diving, and I couldn't figure out why. Then today,
> I went on my hard bounce list, and there were several names that are
> friends who clearly didn't hard bounce because of something they did. So
> I
> investigated a bit further and one said it was bounced because the message
> didn't comply with the spf something. So I then tried to investigate
> that,
> which led me here.
>
> Can someone tell me what's going on with this? How I can get "in
> compliance" so that those who have subscribed to my newsletter can
> actually
> get it?
>
> Please help!
>
> Stacy M. Wilhelm
> writing as Staci Stallings
> www.stacistallings.com
> You'll feel better for the experience!
>

Stacy:

This isn't a dns issue. Your domain zone file has no record published for
any spf filter to act upon. It is possible that someone has implimented a
policy that rejects mail without any spf record. This is not really a
recommended solution since domains implimenting spf is a small minority.
Even AOL will allow traffic without an spf record unless they have reason
to label it as spam.

How many messages are we talking about? 10? 100? 100000? Are all of the
bounced messages heading to the same domain? Same network? My guess is
that someone has misconfigured their filters on the receiving end.

Look at the headers of the bounce messages. Unless they have been mangled
along the way, they will tell you exactly where delivery failed. If you
don't know how to interpret the headers, ask.


--
Bob Greene

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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
>Bob,

Sorry, I feel like I'm wading in 20-foot water here. I did notice that
many of the hard bounces were coming from aol and earthlink, so maybe this
is the problem. My list was up to 2,000 two months ago. I lost about 300
one month. Then the list was 1875 last month. I lost another 200. This
month I lost another 300. That many people on a 2,000 list shouldn't be
hard bouncing (i.e. they moved and forgot to tell me)--at least not every
month!

My list is served from an ezine service. So what should I tell them--in
plain English please.

Stacy


>Stacy:
>
>This isn't a dns issue. Your domain zone file has no record published for
>any spf filter to act upon. It is possible that someone has implimented a
>policy that rejects mail without any spf record. This is not really a
>recommended solution since domains implimenting spf is a small minority.
>Even AOL will allow traffic without an spf record unless they have reason
>to label it as spam.
>
>How many messages are we talking about? 10? 100? 100000? Are all of the
>bounced messages heading to the same domain? Same network? My guess is
>that someone has misconfigured their filters on the receiving end.
>
>Look at the headers of the bounce messages. Unless they have been mangled
>along the way, they will tell you exactly where delivery failed. If you
>don't know how to interpret the headers, ask.
>
>
>--
>Bob Greene
>
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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
>
> Sorry, I feel like I'm wading in 20-foot water here. I did notice that
> many of the hard bounces were coming from aol and earthlink, so maybe this
> is the problem. My list was up to 2,000 two months ago. I lost about 300
> one month. Then the list was 1875 last month. I lost another 200. This
> month I lost another 300. That many people on a 2,000 list shouldn't be
> hard bouncing (i.e. they moved and forgot to tell me)--at least not every
> month!
>
> My list is served from an ezine service. So what should I tell them--in
> plain English please.
>
> Stacy
>

You are an unfortunate casualty of a noble effort to correct a few
undesirable individuals that cost everyone money when they spew out their
porn/viagra/mmf email.

They are probably filtering you because of volume combined with the lack
of an spf record. AOL and Earthlink have "whitelists" for these instances
and you are not on that list.

If you always send from the same mail server, its easy enough to create
the proper spf record. Your dns provider can do this by reading
http://spf.pobox.com. You could also contact AOL and Earthlink directly,
but I'd suggest reading http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/ first.

One thing you could try is to send mail to the recipients who use AOL and
Earthlink asking them to add you to their whitelist if they would like to
continue receiving your newsletter.

If the "ezine" host is available, talk to them. They may already be aware
of the problem and looking at a solution. If they don't know how, direct
them here.

Send me the headers. The network that distributes your newsletter may be
listed in one of the RBL lists as well.

I'll be happy to continue to help, on or off this list. In the meantime,
go read one of your newsletters. It sounds like you could use it. ;-)

--
Bob Greene

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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
>Bob,

I'm trying to contact my server person. I will try to let you know what I
find out. Going to read my newsletter now...

: )

Stacy



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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
Stacy:

You are using eZINE Director. They claim spf support on their web page.
Do they distribute your newsletter, or do they just provide software that
someone else manages?

From the ezinedirector.com website:
- Sender Permitted From (SPF) Compliant
- compatible with all major platforms
(e.g. AOL, Yahoo, Hotmail, Outlook)

Sounds like you need to tell them that your newsletter isn't being
delivered because of policy problems.

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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest. That means
they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll see what he says.

Stacy

P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives me nuts!

At 11:57 AM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Stacy:
>
>You are using eZINE Director. They claim spf support on their web page.
>Do they distribute your newsletter, or do they just provide software that
>someone else manages?
>
> From the ezinedirector.com website:
>- Sender Permitted From (SPF) Compliant
>- compatible with all major platforms
> (e.g. AOL, Yahoo, Hotmail, Outlook)
>
>Sounds like you need to tell them that your newsletter isn't being
>delivered because of policy problems.
>
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RE: Help! [ In reply to ]
Since this has been an ongoing problem for several months it may not be
related to spf records. Your newsletter may have found it's way onto one
or more blacklists. This is something else you should ask you provider
about.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of Stacy M. Wilhelm
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:17 AM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!


>Bob,

Sorry, I feel like I'm wading in 20-foot water here. I did notice that
many of the hard bounces were coming from aol and earthlink, so maybe
this is the problem. My list was up to 2,000 two months ago. I lost
about 300 one month. Then the list was 1875 last month. I lost another
200. This month I lost another 300. That many people on a 2,000 list
shouldn't be hard bouncing (i.e. they moved and forgot to tell me)--at
least not every month!

My list is served from an ezine service. So what should I tell them--in
plain English please.

Stacy


>Stacy:
>
>This isn't a dns issue. Your domain zone file has no record published
>for any spf filter to act upon. It is possible that someone has
>implimented a policy that rejects mail without any spf record. This is

>not really a recommended solution since domains implimenting spf is a
small minority.
>Even AOL will allow traffic without an spf record unless they have
>reason to label it as spam.
>
>How many messages are we talking about? 10? 100? 100000? Are all of
>the bounced messages heading to the same domain? Same network? My
>guess is that someone has misconfigured their filters on the receiving
end.
>
>Look at the headers of the bounce messages. Unless they have been
>mangled along the way, they will tell you exactly where delivery
>failed. If you don't know how to interpret the headers, ask.
>
>
>--
>Bob Greene
>
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RE: Help! [ In reply to ]
Also, AOL just started bouncing mail without an entry in the Sender
field.






shoult@wnpt.net
Sent by: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
07/26/2004 01:06 PM
Please respond to
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RE: [spf-help] Help!






Since this has been an ongoing problem for several months it may not be
related to spf records. Your newsletter may have found it's way onto one
or more blacklists. This is something else you should ask you provider
about.






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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
> newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest. That
> means
> they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll see what he says.
>
> Stacy
>
> P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives me
> nuts!
>

Yep. They distribute for you.

And they do have an spf record:
ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"

As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source, the
mail should deliver.

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Re: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different blacklists:

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226

Marc

>
> From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
>
> Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
> > newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest. That
> > means
> > they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll see what he says.
> >
> > Stacy
> >
> > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives me
> > nuts!
> >
>
> Yep. They distribute for you.
>
> And they do have an spf record:
> ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
>
> As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
> record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source, the
> mail should deliver.
>
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Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
So what happens when it doesn't deliver and gets bounced for not being
spf? Better question, what do you do about it?

Stacy

At 12:16 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
> > newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest. That
> > means
> > they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll see what he says.
> >
> > Stacy
> >
> > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives me
> > nuts!
> >
>
>Yep. They distribute for you.
>
>And they do have an spf record:
>ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
>
>As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
>record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source, the
>mail should deliver.
>
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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
And we have a winner!

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!

According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
blacklists:

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226

Marc

>
> From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
>
> Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
> > newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest.
> > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll
> > see what he says.
> >
> > Stacy
> >
> > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives
> > me nuts!
> >
>
> Yep. They distribute for you.
>
> And they do have an spf record:
> ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
>
> As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
> record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source,
> the mail should deliver.
>
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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
And this means...?

At 12:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>And we have a winner!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
>To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!
>
>According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
>blacklists:
>
>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226
>
>Marc
>
> >
> > From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> > To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> >
> > Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
> > > newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest.
> > > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll
> > > see what he says.
> > >
> > > Stacy
> > >
> > > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives
> > > me nuts!
> > >
> >
> > Yep. They distribute for you.
> >
> > And they do have an spf record:
> > ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
> >
> > As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
> > record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source,
> > the mail should deliver.
> >
> > -------
> > Archives at http://archives.listbox.com/spf-help/current/
> > Donate! http://spf.pobox.com/donations.html
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> >
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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
It means that they have been labeled as spam, and so users and companies
that filter based on blacklists will not accept mail from them.


- Mark





samsaw@cox.net
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07/26/2004 01:35 PM
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And this means...?

At 12:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>And we have a winner!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
>To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!
>
>According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
>blacklists:
>
>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226
>
>Marc
>
> >
> > From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> > To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> >
> > Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
> > > newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest.
> > > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll
> > > see what he says.
> > >
> > > Stacy
> > >
> > > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives
> > > me nuts!
> > >
> >
> > Yep. They distribute for you.
> >
> > And they do have an spf record:
> > ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
> >
> > As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
> > record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source,
> > the mail should deliver.
> >
> > -------
> > Archives at http://archives.listbox.com/spf-help/current/
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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
It means that your newsletter server has been listed as an origin of
spam on three different blacklists. Any email server that subscribes to
those blacklists will reject messages from those listed email servers.

You'll have to get your provider to take care of this or follow the
links at DNSStuff.com to find out which lists your on and how to get
yourself removed. Usually it just entails sending a request to the
provider of the blacklist asking for removal.




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of Stacy M. Wilhelm
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:36 PM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: RE: Re: [spf-help] Help!

And this means...?

At 12:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>And we have a winner!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
>To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!
>
>According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
>blacklists:
>
>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226
>
>Marc
>
> >
> > From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> > To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> >
> > Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type
> > > my newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest.
> > > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll

> > > see what he says.
> > >
> > > Stacy
> > >
> > > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff
> > > drives me nuts!
> > >
> >
> > Yep. They distribute for you.
> >
> > And they do have an spf record:
> > ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
> >
> > As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the

> > record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source,
> > the mail should deliver.
> >
> > -------
> > Archives at http://archives.listbox.com/spf-help/current/
> > Donate! http://spf.pobox.com/donations.html
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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
And they can remove just my newsletter, or do they have to get square with
all of ezine director?

At 12:43 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>It means that your newsletter server has been listed as an origin of
>spam on three different blacklists. Any email server that subscribes to
>those blacklists will reject messages from those listed email servers.
>
>You'll have to get your provider to take care of this or follow the
>links at DNSStuff.com to find out which lists your on and how to get
>yourself removed. Usually it just entails sending a request to the
>provider of the blacklist asking for removal.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of Stacy M. Wilhelm
>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:36 PM
>To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>Subject: RE: Re: [spf-help] Help!
>
>And this means...?
>
>At 12:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >And we have a winner!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> >[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
> >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
> >To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> >Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> >
> >According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
> >blacklists:
> >
> >http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226
> >
> >Marc
> >
> > >
> > > From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> > > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> > > To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > > Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> > >
> > > Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > > > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type
> > > > my newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest.
> > > > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll
>
> > > > see what he says.
> > > >
> > > > Stacy
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff
> > > > drives me nuts!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yep. They distribute for you.
> > >
> > > And they do have an spf record:
> > > ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
> > >
> > > As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
>
> > > record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source,
> > > the mail should deliver.
> > >
> > > -------
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> > > Donate! http://spf.pobox.com/donations.html
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> >
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Re: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
But, she/he (Stacy) originally said it refered to "SPF" in the bounce
messags.

Also some of those black lists may be the "Its mine and I don't care what
you think" variety. Stallings needs to go the the distributor/publisher,
and see what they say.

Cary Fitch


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hoult" <shoult@wnpt.net>
To: <spf-help@v2.listbox.com>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [spf-help] Help!


It means that your newsletter server has been listed as an origin of
spam on three different blacklists. Any email server that subscribes to
those blacklists will reject messages from those listed email servers.

You'll have to get your provider to take care of this or follow the
links at DNSStuff.com to find out which lists your on and how to get
yourself removed. Usually it just entails sending a request to the
provider of the blacklist asking for removal.




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of Stacy M. Wilhelm
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:36 PM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: RE: Re: [spf-help] Help!

And this means...?

At 12:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>And we have a winner!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
>To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!
>
>According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
>blacklists:
>
>http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226
>
>Marc
>
> >
> > From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> > To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> >
> > Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type
> > > my newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest.
> > > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll

> > > see what he says.
> > >
> > > Stacy
> > >
> > > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff
> > > drives me nuts!
> > >
> >
> > Yep. They distribute for you.
> >
> > And they do have an spf record:
> > ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
> >
> > As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the

> > record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source,
> > the mail should deliver.
> >
> > -------
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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
Dear Stacy,

I do this as part of my job -- sort out mail bounces for people whose
mail bounced when they don't know why.

What it means is the following:

We still need to see full mail headers on a bounce to know what to do.
We're all talking in guesswork until that happens. Actually, your
admin at the mailing list company you use needs to see it, so they
can diagnose it and provide the service you're paying them for.

As an attempt to help with educated guesswork, here is my reading of
the following. (Remember, I'm a paid professional that does this
(deals with RBL's for an ISP) as part of my job)

The three black lists your IP were on include

1) blars. He's a nutjob. He lists thousands of IP on a whim, and
unless your intended recipient made the mistake of trusting his RBL,
you should be safe.

2) PBSL. I requested it remove your IP. It doesnt explain how it got
on there, but unless your IP sent it spam, it says you are fine. Lists
like this are a pain for large ISP because they move IP around a lot with
DHCP, and its up to the individual to remove what might have been added
months before by somebody else.

3) JAMMRBL. I queried your IP with their list, and it replied

"This blocklist is very aggressive and will likely lead to false positives.
Anyone using it understands and agrees:

* Anyone using this list does so at their own volition and JAMM Consulting
is not liable for any outcomes from the use and/or misuse of this list.

If you disagree with this policy, do not use this list for any purposes
whatsoever."

Result for 63.84.193.226: "Sent a notice to the ISP that owns the block
containing this IP. They have not yet provided the information requested."

So basically it appears they black-list the entire internet and wait for people
to beg to be let off.

So there you have it. One potential actual reason for being RBL'd, and two
confirmable very-aggressive lists. I can say with almost certainty that
AOL or Earthlink don't listen to any of these people. It would result in
thousands of false positive blocks a day.

So if it wasnt RBL'd, what happened?

Thats why we need a full header from one or more of your mail bounces.

You should be working with the folks at ezine at this point, if this
were following normal escalations. But if you want to forward a full
header of a bounce we can probably figure something out.

Kind regards,


+-------------------------
+ Dave Dennis
+ Seattle, WA
+ dmd@speakeasy.org
+ http://www.dmdennis.com
+-------------------------

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Stacy M. Wilhelm wrote:

> And this means...?
>
> At 12:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >And we have a winner!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> >[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
> >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
> >To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> >Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> >
> >According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
> >blacklists:
> >
> >http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226
> >
> >Marc
> >
> > >
> > > From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> > > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> > > To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > > Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> > >
> > > Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > > > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
> > > > newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest.
> > > > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll
> > > > see what he says.
> > > >
> > > > Stacy
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives
> > > > me nuts!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yep. They distribute for you.
> > >
> > > And they do have an spf record:
> > > ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
> > >
> > > As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
> > > record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source,
> > > the mail should deliver.
> > >
> > > -------
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> > >
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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
I can't give you their thinking. All that can be done is for you or your
provider to look it up and try. Typically when these blacklisters get a
request from a real human they will whitelist (or at least remove you
from the blacklist) you since most spammers just move elsewhere.
However, you can be re-blacklisted if they think you are sending from a
spammers e-mail server.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of Stacy M. Wilhelm
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:48 PM
To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
Subject: RE: Re: [spf-help] Help!

And they can remove just my newsletter, or do they have to get square
with all of ezine director?

At 12:43 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>It means that your newsletter server has been listed as an origin of
>spam on three different blacklists. Any email server that subscribes to

>those blacklists will reject messages from those listed email servers.
>
>You'll have to get your provider to take care of this or follow the
>links at DNSStuff.com to find out which lists your on and how to get
>yourself removed. Usually it just entails sending a request to the
>provider of the blacklist asking for removal.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of Stacy M. Wilhelm
>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:36 PM
>To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
>Subject: RE: Re: [spf-help] Help!
>
>And this means...?
>
>At 12:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >And we have a winner!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> >[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
> >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
> >To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> >Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> >
> >According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
> >blacklists:
> >
> >http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226
> >
> >Marc
> >
> > >
> > > From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> > > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> > > To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > > Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> > >
> > > Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > > > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type

> > > > my newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the
rest.
> > > > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him.
> > > > We'll
>
> > > > see what he says.
> > > >
> > > > Stacy
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff
> > > > drives me nuts!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yep. They distribute for you.
> > >
> > > And they do have an spf record:
> > > ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
> > >
> > > As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net,
> > > the
>
> > > record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam
> > > source, the mail should deliver.
> > >
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> > > Donate! http://spf.pobox.com/donations.html
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> > >
> >
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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> And this means...?
>

It means that until ezinedirector cleans up its act, your newsletter will
continure to fail to deliver to anyone who uses these blacklists. Thems
the breaks of using providers who do large volume on behalf of others.
The likelihood is greater that they will have more complaints. Complaints
are what drives the blacklists.

If they are unable to correct this quickly, you may have to find another
provider. Or do it yourself.

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RE: Re: Help! [ In reply to ]
This is all I have to go on...

550 The sender did not meet Sender Policy Framework rules. Please see
http://spf.pobox.com


And the header for the newsletter I received at my own inbox.

Subject: On Our Journey Home, Newsletter July 22, 2004
To: samsaw@cox.net
From: Staci Stallings <staci_stallings@hotmail.com>
X-Campaign: 964663900
Reply-To: <bounce-live-964663900-22941146@ezinedirector.net>
X-Subscriber: 22941146
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:27:17 -0500

Does this tell you anything? He still hasn't written back. OH! And
what's an RBL? Sorry to be so clueless, but basically... I AM!

Stacy

At 10:51 AM 7/26/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear Stacy,
>
>I do this as part of my job -- sort out mail bounces for people whose
>mail bounced when they don't know why.
>
>What it means is the following:
>
>We still need to see full mail headers on a bounce to know what to do.
>We're all talking in guesswork until that happens. Actually, your
>admin at the mailing list company you use needs to see it, so they
>can diagnose it and provide the service you're paying them for.
>
>As an attempt to help with educated guesswork, here is my reading of
>the following. (Remember, I'm a paid professional that does this
>(deals with RBL's for an ISP) as part of my job)
>
>The three black lists your IP were on include
>
>1) blars. He's a nutjob. He lists thousands of IP on a whim, and
>unless your intended recipient made the mistake of trusting his RBL,
>you should be safe.
>
>2) PBSL. I requested it remove your IP. It doesnt explain how it got
>on there, but unless your IP sent it spam, it says you are fine. Lists
>like this are a pain for large ISP because they move IP around a lot with
>DHCP, and its up to the individual to remove what might have been added
>months before by somebody else.
>
>3) JAMMRBL. I queried your IP with their list, and it replied
>
>"This blocklist is very aggressive and will likely lead to false positives.
>Anyone using it understands and agrees:
>
> * Anyone using this list does so at their own volition and JAMM
> Consulting
>is not liable for any outcomes from the use and/or misuse of this list.
>
>If you disagree with this policy, do not use this list for any purposes
>whatsoever."
>
>Result for 63.84.193.226: "Sent a notice to the ISP that owns the block
>containing this IP. They have not yet provided the information requested."
>
>So basically it appears they black-list the entire internet and wait for
>people
>to beg to be let off.
>
>So there you have it. One potential actual reason for being RBL'd, and two
>confirmable very-aggressive lists. I can say with almost certainty that
>AOL or Earthlink don't listen to any of these people. It would result in
>thousands of false positive blocks a day.
>
>So if it wasnt RBL'd, what happened?
>
>Thats why we need a full header from one or more of your mail bounces.
>
>You should be working with the folks at ezine at this point, if this
>were following normal escalations. But if you want to forward a full
>header of a bounce we can probably figure something out.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>
>+-------------------------
>+ Dave Dennis
>+ Seattle, WA
>+ dmd@speakeasy.org
>+ http://www.dmdennis.com
>+-------------------------
>
>On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Stacy M. Wilhelm wrote:
>
> > And this means...?
> >
> > At 12:31 PM 7/26/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >And we have a winner!
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > >[mailto:owner-spf-help@v2.listbox.com] On Behalf Of marc@alaia.net
> > >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:29 PM
> > >To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > >Subject: Re: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> > >
> > >According to DNSStuff.com, those MX's are listed on 3 different
> > >blacklists:
> > >
> > >http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=63.84.193.226
> > >
> > >Marc
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "rgreene@tclme.org" <rgreene@tclme.org>
> > > > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 01:16:09 EDT
> > > > To: spf-help@v2.listbox.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [spf-help] Help!
> > > >
> > > > Stacy M. Wilhelm said:
> > > > > Yes, I use Ezine Director. On the "distribute" question, I type my
> > > > > newsletter in and hit schedule delivery. They do all the rest.
> > > > > That means they distribute it, right? I just wrote to him. We'll
> > > > > see what he says.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stacy
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. Thanks so much for all your help. This technical stuff drives
> > > > > me nuts!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yep. They distribute for you.
> > > >
> > > > And they do have an spf record:
> > > > ezinedirector.net. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 mx -all"
> > > >
> > > > As long as traffic comes from mx1, mx2 or mx3.ezinedirector.net, the
> > > > record would pass. Unless they have been labeled as a spam source,
> > > > the mail should deliver.
> > > >
> > > > -------
> > > > Archives at http://archives.listbox.com/spf-help/current/
> > > > Donate! http://spf.pobox.com/donations.html
> > > > To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your
> > > > subscription, please go to
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> > > >
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