On February 7, 2004, Meng Weng Wong wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 04:28:37PM -0800, Dan Harkless wrote:
> |
> | Hi. Thanks so much for SPF. Truly an idea whose time has come. I now have
> | SPF records published for harkless.org, have spf-milter in place, and link
> | to your site from my public Bookmarks page.
> |
> | A couple of things, though. One, the Mail::SPF::Query install process
> | should warn you if Sys::Hostname::Long isn't present (as it wasn't on my Red
> | Hat 9 box), and tell you that in this case the mail rejection URL will
> | contain a bare hostname with no domain, which may be confusing for the
> | bounce recipient. If it's hard to get the install process to note that
> | Sys::Hostname::Long isn't there, you should at least mention this issue in
> | the Mail::SPF::Query README.
>
> M:S:Q is supposed to work without it, did you get an error? The code
> falls back to Sys::Hostname when it's not present. At least, it's
> supposed to. If it doesn't, let me know what broke.
Yes, I saw how you used 'eval' to have it fail gracefully if
Sys::Hostname::Long isn't there. However, it's not desirable for the 5.7.1
message to contain a bare hostname with no domain (giving text on why.html
reading like "www rejected a message claiming..."). Therefore you should
document in README that this will occur if Sys::Hostname::Long is missing,
and/or have Makefile.PL give a prerequisite warning (not error). Otherwise
people have to dig through the script source to figure out why a FQDN isn't
being used.
> | Secondly, what is the meaning of the ": default" at the end of messages
> | like:
> |
> | Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=spf%40harkless.org&ip=64.165.228.246&receiver=www.harkless.org: default
> |
> | If this is documented anywhere, I was unable to find it, and this has the
> | potential to confuse bounce recipients. If the ": default" is meaningful
> | and you're going to keep it, you should at least have angle brackets around
> | the URL, so the user knows where to end their copy & paste:
> |
> | Please see <http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=spf%40harkless.org&ip=64.165.228.246&receiver=www.harkless.org>: default
> |
>
> wow, I've never seen that before. That could be the milter. Where is
> it showing up?
No, it's not just the milter:
% perl -MMail::SPF::Query -le 'print for Mail::SPF::Query->new(ipv4=>shift, sender=>shift)->result' 1.2.3.4 spf-devel@harkless.org
Mail::SPF::Query: ->new() requires a "helo" argument.
Mail::SPF::Query::new('Mail::SPF::Query','ipv4',1.2.3.4,'sender','spf-devel@harkless.org') called at -e line 1
fail
Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=spf-devel%40harkless.org&ip=1.2.3.4&receiver=www.harkless.org: default
www.harkless.org: domain of spf-devel@harkless.org does not designate 1.2.3.4 as permitted sender
v=spf1 a mx -all
BTW, you might also want to update the example commandline in the
Mail::SPF::Query README to add ", helo=>undef" so people don't get that
warning above. I would also find it helpful to have that example
commandline documented in the Mail::SPF::Query man page, since the README
doesn't get installed anywhere.
> Please join spf-devel@v2.listbox.com and we can discuss this on the list
> where the maintainer for spf-milter is present.
There you go.
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> On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 04:28:37PM -0800, Dan Harkless wrote:
> |
> | Hi. Thanks so much for SPF. Truly an idea whose time has come. I now have
> | SPF records published for harkless.org, have spf-milter in place, and link
> | to your site from my public Bookmarks page.
> |
> | A couple of things, though. One, the Mail::SPF::Query install process
> | should warn you if Sys::Hostname::Long isn't present (as it wasn't on my Red
> | Hat 9 box), and tell you that in this case the mail rejection URL will
> | contain a bare hostname with no domain, which may be confusing for the
> | bounce recipient. If it's hard to get the install process to note that
> | Sys::Hostname::Long isn't there, you should at least mention this issue in
> | the Mail::SPF::Query README.
>
> M:S:Q is supposed to work without it, did you get an error? The code
> falls back to Sys::Hostname when it's not present. At least, it's
> supposed to. If it doesn't, let me know what broke.
Yes, I saw how you used 'eval' to have it fail gracefully if
Sys::Hostname::Long isn't there. However, it's not desirable for the 5.7.1
message to contain a bare hostname with no domain (giving text on why.html
reading like "www rejected a message claiming..."). Therefore you should
document in README that this will occur if Sys::Hostname::Long is missing,
and/or have Makefile.PL give a prerequisite warning (not error). Otherwise
people have to dig through the script source to figure out why a FQDN isn't
being used.
> | Secondly, what is the meaning of the ": default" at the end of messages
> | like:
> |
> | Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=spf%40harkless.org&ip=64.165.228.246&receiver=www.harkless.org: default
> |
> | If this is documented anywhere, I was unable to find it, and this has the
> | potential to confuse bounce recipients. If the ": default" is meaningful
> | and you're going to keep it, you should at least have angle brackets around
> | the URL, so the user knows where to end their copy & paste:
> |
> | Please see <http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=spf%40harkless.org&ip=64.165.228.246&receiver=www.harkless.org>: default
> |
>
> wow, I've never seen that before. That could be the milter. Where is
> it showing up?
No, it's not just the milter:
% perl -MMail::SPF::Query -le 'print for Mail::SPF::Query->new(ipv4=>shift, sender=>shift)->result' 1.2.3.4 spf-devel@harkless.org
Mail::SPF::Query: ->new() requires a "helo" argument.
Mail::SPF::Query::new('Mail::SPF::Query','ipv4',1.2.3.4,'sender','spf-devel@harkless.org') called at -e line 1
fail
Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=spf-devel%40harkless.org&ip=1.2.3.4&receiver=www.harkless.org: default
www.harkless.org: domain of spf-devel@harkless.org does not designate 1.2.3.4 as permitted sender
v=spf1 a mx -all
BTW, you might also want to update the example commandline in the
Mail::SPF::Query README to add ", helo=>undef" so people don't get that
warning above. I would also find it helpful to have that example
commandline documented in the Mail::SPF::Query man page, since the README
doesn't get installed anywhere.
> Please join spf-devel@v2.listbox.com and we can discuss this on the list
> where the maintainer for spf-milter is present.
There you go.
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