Everyone,
I've moved (or attempted to move) this topic from SPF-DISCUSS into this
forum where it appears its more appropriate.
> From:
> Bashar AlAbdulhadi
> <big@kuwaitnet.net>
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> RE: [spf-discuss] re: djbdns is not
> free
> Date:
> Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:20:02 +0300
> (Fri, 13:20 PST)
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> I would agree on some what have been said by driving the topic little far
> than it was originally discussed, BUT
>
> What we need to know is DJBDNS free or not?
It is. There are restrictions as to how it may be packaged. All of the
FUD surrounding DJB Software appears to have originally been started by
Bernard Rosenkraenzer of Red Hat and further perpetuated by Rick Moen
(rick@linuxmafia.com).
Dan has an excellent page up which addresses "Frequently asked questions
from distributors" which I have already linked several times, the
problem is getting people to actually read it, this somehow I blame on
Television. The attention span of most people these days is atrocious..
which is only further compounded by those who reiterate information
which they have not personally researched.
DJB distributors FAQ: http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html
This page answers the questions:
- May we put this package on a CD?
- May we distribute binaries?
- What about test packages?
- Why can't we rename your files?
- We can't distribute software that we're not allowed to modify!
- Rick Moen says you can revoke these permissions by changing your web
page!
- Wait, now Rick Moen says he never said that!
qmail specific distribution guidelines: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html
This ENTIRE issue honestly appears to be based in ego-land. Dan's rules
are very simple, and so incredibly easy to follow, with multiple paths
if you will, to attempt to distribute, so in the event he can not be
contacted, you still have only 3 simple rules to follow.
What pissed Bernard, Moen, and others appears to be purely rooted within
this issue of 'renaming files and directories'. The distributors wish
to alter the distribution in accordance with their file structure,
however Dan states quite clearly why renaming and relocating is
prohibited here: http://cr.yp.to/compatibility.html
It makes absolute sense. As a software developer myself, its a
nightmare trying to get accurate information when a new bug arrives when
its only happening on certain distros and OSes, and yes I have
personally expensed several hours that I'll never get back helping a
user who if he had only simply installed my software as it was intended,
with the intended names and locations he never would have had any
problems, and even if he did, trouble shooting would have been very
easy.
> Does it fall under GPL or not?
No it does not.
> Would SPF work just fine with it as Bind or not?
It works quite fine with it, however to date I am not aware of anyone
spending the time to port djbdns to Windows.
> People who write HOW-Tos should/shouldn't make 2 version of their howtos one
They do not need to. Integration with a resolver library should not
_NOT_ require an extensive API, it should provide a clean and
transparent set of functions for performing SPF related duties. SPF
does not require low level access to any DNS functions and thus they
should remain opaque to any would be library implementor.
The difference in HOWTO's comes about when dealing with SPF
implementations within differing MTA's. For example you can see the
HOWTO's I have prepared for integrating libSPF within qmail and Sendmail
from http://libSPF.org
More useful information relating to DJB Software:
Precompiled var-qmail packages:
- http://cr.yp.to/qmail/var-qmail.html
Mailinglist for would-be distributors:
- http://cr.yp.to/lists.html#qmaildist
Software user's rights:
- http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html
Placing documents into the public domain:
- http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html
That should be enough to get the ball rolling...
Cheers,
James
--
James Couzens,
Programmer
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I've moved (or attempted to move) this topic from SPF-DISCUSS into this
forum where it appears its more appropriate.
> From:
> Bashar AlAbdulhadi
> <big@kuwaitnet.net>
> Reply-To:
> spf-discuss@v2.listbox.com
> To:
> spf-discuss@v2.listbox.com
> Subject:
> RE: [spf-discuss] re: djbdns is not
> free
> Date:
> Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:20:02 +0300
> (Fri, 13:20 PST)
> Mailer:
> Microsoft Office Outlook, Build
> 11.0.5510
> Sender:
> owner-spf-discuss@v2.listbox.com
>
> I would agree on some what have been said by driving the topic little far
> than it was originally discussed, BUT
>
> What we need to know is DJBDNS free or not?
It is. There are restrictions as to how it may be packaged. All of the
FUD surrounding DJB Software appears to have originally been started by
Bernard Rosenkraenzer of Red Hat and further perpetuated by Rick Moen
(rick@linuxmafia.com).
Dan has an excellent page up which addresses "Frequently asked questions
from distributors" which I have already linked several times, the
problem is getting people to actually read it, this somehow I blame on
Television. The attention span of most people these days is atrocious..
which is only further compounded by those who reiterate information
which they have not personally researched.
DJB distributors FAQ: http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html
This page answers the questions:
- May we put this package on a CD?
- May we distribute binaries?
- What about test packages?
- Why can't we rename your files?
- We can't distribute software that we're not allowed to modify!
- Rick Moen says you can revoke these permissions by changing your web
page!
- Wait, now Rick Moen says he never said that!
qmail specific distribution guidelines: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html
This ENTIRE issue honestly appears to be based in ego-land. Dan's rules
are very simple, and so incredibly easy to follow, with multiple paths
if you will, to attempt to distribute, so in the event he can not be
contacted, you still have only 3 simple rules to follow.
What pissed Bernard, Moen, and others appears to be purely rooted within
this issue of 'renaming files and directories'. The distributors wish
to alter the distribution in accordance with their file structure,
however Dan states quite clearly why renaming and relocating is
prohibited here: http://cr.yp.to/compatibility.html
It makes absolute sense. As a software developer myself, its a
nightmare trying to get accurate information when a new bug arrives when
its only happening on certain distros and OSes, and yes I have
personally expensed several hours that I'll never get back helping a
user who if he had only simply installed my software as it was intended,
with the intended names and locations he never would have had any
problems, and even if he did, trouble shooting would have been very
easy.
> Does it fall under GPL or not?
No it does not.
> Would SPF work just fine with it as Bind or not?
It works quite fine with it, however to date I am not aware of anyone
spending the time to port djbdns to Windows.
> People who write HOW-Tos should/shouldn't make 2 version of their howtos one
They do not need to. Integration with a resolver library should not
_NOT_ require an extensive API, it should provide a clean and
transparent set of functions for performing SPF related duties. SPF
does not require low level access to any DNS functions and thus they
should remain opaque to any would be library implementor.
The difference in HOWTO's comes about when dealing with SPF
implementations within differing MTA's. For example you can see the
HOWTO's I have prepared for integrating libSPF within qmail and Sendmail
from http://libSPF.org
More useful information relating to DJB Software:
Precompiled var-qmail packages:
- http://cr.yp.to/qmail/var-qmail.html
Mailinglist for would-be distributors:
- http://cr.yp.to/lists.html#qmaildist
Software user's rights:
- http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html
Placing documents into the public domain:
- http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html
That should be enough to get the ball rolling...
Cheers,
James
--
James Couzens,
Programmer
^ ( ( (
((__)) __\|/__ __|+|__ '. ___ .'
(00) (o o) (0~0) ' (> <) '
---nn-(o__o)-nn---ooO--(_)--Ooo--ooO--(_)--Ooo---ooO--(_)--Ooo---
http://libspf.org -- ANSI C Sender Policy Framework library
http://libsrs.org -- ANSI C Sender Rewriting Scheme library
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