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You might wish to look at implementing virus scanning on that box too (for
example, ClamAV from www.clamav.net <http://www.clamav.net> ) and gluing it
together with something like MailScanner ( www.mailscanner.info
<http://www.mailscanner.info> ).

That combo runs happily here on a Dell 2650 running Fedora Core 1,
supporting over 2000 users.

Cheers,

Phil
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Phil Randal
Network Engineer
Herefordshire Council
Hereford, UK

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:spamassassin@freddyt.com]
Sent: 09 February 2004 18:04
To: spamassassin-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [OT] What's your favorite linux distro for SA?


Hello,
I'm preparing to switch from running SpamAssassin on Windows (cygwin) to
running it under Linux, I'm looking for suggestions on which distro of linux
to use for my server. It'll be a mail relay (no local users). I've got my
heart set at Debian, but looking for pro's and con's and someone with more
experience to shed some insight. This will be for an ISP with over 5,000
mail accounts.
Thanks for your time,


Frederic Tarasevicius

I could also recommend Gentoo linux. The user base is getting bigger by the
day, and they have a package system (Portage) similar to Apt. I've had it on
a system here for a while. Longer to build everything from scratch than to
install from a set of RPMs, but post-install maintenance is sooo much better.

Debian and Gentoo are 2 hot choices. I'd say Gentoo has a tendancy to be more
bleeding edge than Debian. Debian has a larger user base.

I'm never going back to RPM based systems myself...

Hope this is of some help!

On Monday February 9 2004 13:03, Fred wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm preparing to switch from running SpamAssassin on Windows (cygwin) to
> running it under Linux, I'm looking for suggestions on which distro of
> linux to use for my server. It'll be a mail relay (no local users). I've
> got my heart set at Debian, but looking for pro's and con's and someone
> with more experience to shed some insight. This will be for an ISP with
> over 5,000 mail accounts. Thanks for your time,
>
> Frederic Tarasevicius

--
===================================================================
Mathieu Nantel - RHCE,CCNA Ecopia BioSciences
Systems Manager (514) 336-2724 x434
nantel@ecopiabio.com
===================================================================
[*] Please avoid sending me Word/Excel/PowerPoint attachments.
`----> See: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
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I've had excellent results with all versions of Red Hat, 7.3 through
9.0. With Red Hat's freely distributed versions fading into history, I
recently moved a customer of mine to Mandrake 9.2, and had great results
there, too. In all cases I always use Postfix as the MTA, and build it
and SpamAssassin from source, so I am not worried about the shortcomings
of RPM, as others seem to be. I've messed with Gentoo but found it
simply too time consuming to configure the way I want it.

Damon Cassell

Fred wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm preparing to switch from running SpamAssassin on Windows (cygwin) to running it under Linux, I'm looking for suggestions on which distro of linux to use for my server. It'll be a mail relay (no local users). I've got my heart set at Debian, but looking for pro's and con's and someone with more experience to shed some insight. This will be for an ISP with over 5,000 mail accounts.
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Frederic Tarasevicius
>

FreeBSD actually... easiest software updates on the planet!

Fred wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm preparing to switch from running SpamAssassin on Windows (cygwin) to
> running it under Linux, I'm looking for suggestions on which distro of
> linux to use for my server. It'll be a mail relay (no local users).
> I've got my heart set at Debian, but looking for pro's and con's and
> someone with more experience to shed some insight. This will be for an
> ISP with over 5,000 mail accounts.
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Frederic Tarasevicius

I have two SA boxes (boxen?), one at work, one at home. Both run Debian
Stable (v3, aka Woody), and I wouldn't have it any other way. Mostly
because of my own bias, as I've been using Debian since '96, and am most
familiar with it's packaging, installation routines, and file system
layout than with any other distro.

The only problem you'll encounter with Debian is it tends to be stale in
comparison to other distros. This is usually because everything is very
rigorously tested for more platforms than just about any other distro.
Thus, for a package like SpamAssassin that you'll always wish to keep
current, you'll either need to install it by hand from source, or
backport an "unstable" package to the stable branch. Both are pretty
easy to do, and you can often find them done for you at apt-get.org.

For reference, both my SA boxes run Exim v4.30 and SA v2.63, installed
as Debian packages backported from sid (unstable). I've also backported
Razor 2.36 and SA-Exim 3.1, as well as a few required Perl libraries.
Again, you could install all of these things by hand from source, but I
prefer to package and install them properly. It helps with tracking
what's installed, and keeps file locations in sync with "the Debian way".

FWIW, I run Gentoo on my desktops. It keeps my need for bleeding edge
apps on the desktop (for feature purposes), and the filesystem layout
and configuration files make sense to me. Plus, the user community is
FANTASTIC. The only downside is compiling everything sucks. On a
slower box (1Ghz), KDE takes almost 24 hours.

I despise Redhat and it's spawn, and thus can't recommend them, although
many, many people seem to like Redhat / Fedora.

Steven
--
Steven Dickenson <steven@mrchuckles.net>
http://www.mrchuckles.net

Seeing everyone has his own tastes, I guess the short answer is there is no
good answer. Try the various distributions and see for yourself. Debian is a
good choice, as most other mature distros. I wouldn't use anything too young
in an enterprise environment, just because.

Parting from Windows is already a step forward, but that's offtopic.

On Monday February 9 2004 13:03, Fred wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm preparing to switch from running SpamAssassin on Windows (cygwin) to
> running it under Linux, I'm looking for suggestions on which distro of
> linux to use for my server. It'll be a mail relay (no local users). I've
> got my heart set at Debian, but looking for pro's and con's and someone
> with more experience to shed some insight. This will be for an ISP with
> over 5,000 mail accounts. Thanks for your time,
>
> Frederic Tarasevicius

--
===================================================================
Mathieu Nantel - RHCE,CCNA Ecopia BioSciences
Systems Manager (514) 336-2724 x434
nantel@ecopiabio.com
===================================================================
[*] Please avoid sending me Word/Excel/PowerPoint attachments.
`----> See: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
===================================================================

Damon Cassell wrote:

> I've had excellent results with all versions of Red Hat, 7.3 through
> 9.0. With Red Hat's freely distributed versions fading into history, I
> recently moved a customer of mine to Mandrake 9.2, and had great results
> there, too. In all cases I always use Postfix as the MTA, and build it
> and SpamAssassin from source, so I am not worried about the shortcomings
> of RPM, as others seem to be. I've messed with Gentoo but found it
> simply too time consuming to configure the way I want it.

I've used RH 7.3 through 9.0 and into Fedora. All work perfectly. Don't be
fooled by RedHat not continuing the "RedHat" releases, Fedora picks up where
they left off perfectly (for me anyway). I'm using SA with courier-mta and
maildrop.

-Scott

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On Monday 09 February 2004 11:08, Scott wrote:
> I've used RH 7.3 through 9.0 and into Fedora.  All work perfectly.  Don't
> be fooled by RedHat not continuing the "RedHat" releases, Fedora picks up
> where they left off perfectly (for me anyway).  I'm using SA with
> courier-mta and maildrop.

Well I'm on allot of mailing lists and there is a project for terminal servers
for the k-12 school systems that decided to goto fadora and they have nothing
but issues with it. There are also many other's who have had issues with it.

As above I use mandrake I have built the latest spamassassin, maildrop, and
postfix. I maintain dovecot for secure and un secure imap and pop support
using maildir. On top od this I run squirrelmail. It all works very nicely
and is very painless.

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Brook Humphrey
Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107
http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com
Holiness unto the Lord
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FreeBSD - it's my fave.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:spamassassin@freddyt.com]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:04
To: spamassassin-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [OT] What's your favorite linux distro for SA?


Hello,
I'm preparing to switch from running SpamAssassin on Windows (cygwin) to
running it under Linux, I'm looking for suggestions on which distro of linux
to use for my server. It'll be a mail relay (no local users). I've got my
heart set at Debian, but looking for pro's and con's and someone with more
experience to shed some insight. This will be for an ISP with over 5,000
mail accounts.
Thanks for your time,

Frederic Tarasevicius

At 11:51 AM 2/9/2004, Brook Humphrey wrote:
>Well I'm on allot of mailing lists and there is a project for terminal
>servers
>for the k-12 school systems that decided to goto fadora and they have nothing
>but issues with it. There are also many other's who have had issues with it.

Well, I've had very good experiences with Fedora on several machines both
at home and at work. I don't know about this "Fadora," thing, though...
maybe that's the problem :-)


Kelson Vibber
SpeedGate Communications <www.speed.net>

| Frederic Tarasevicius wrote:

| I'm preparing to switch from running SpamAssassin on Windows (cygwin) to
| running it under Linux, I'm looking for suggestions on which distro of linux
| to use for my server. It'll be a mail relay (no local users). I've got my
| heart set at Debian, but looking for pro's and con's and someone with more
| experience to shed some insight. This will be for an ISP with over 5,000
| mail accounts.
| Thanks for your time,
|

If you're at all familiar with *nix you might also look at FreeBSD
you can use the ports mechanism or install direct from sources
quickly. (the choice of OS by many ISP's)
http://freebsd.org

There are ports for a variety of mailers, pop3, imap servers in addition to
sendmail that make for fast and fairly easy installations.

my 2 cents
Greg



----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Buff" <KBuff@zetron.com>
To: "'Fred'" <spamassassin@freddyt.com>; <spamassassin-users@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] What's your favorite linux distro for SA?


| FreeBSD - it's my fave.
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Fred [mailto:spamassassin@freddyt.com]
| Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:04
| To: spamassassin-users@incubator.apache.org
| Subject: [OT] What's your favorite linux distro for SA?
|
|
| Hello,
| I'm preparing to switch from running SpamAssassin on Windows (cygwin) to
| running it under Linux, I'm looking for suggestions on which distro of linux
| to use for my server. It'll be a mail relay (no local users). I've got my
| heart set at Debian, but looking for pro's and con's and someone with more
| experience to shed some insight. This will be for an ISP with over 5,000
| mail accounts.
| Thanks for your time,
|
| Frederic Tarasevicius
|
|
|
|

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On Monday 09 February 2004 12:37, Kelson Vibber wrote:
> At 11:51 AM 2/9/2004, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> >Well I'm on allot of mailing lists and there is a project for terminal
> >servers
> >for the k-12 school systems that decided to goto fadora and they have
> > nothing but issues with it. There are also many other's who have had
> > issues with it.
>
> Well, I've had very good experiences with Fedora on several machines both
> at home and at work. I don't know about this "Fadora," thing, though...
> maybe that's the problem :-)
>
>
> Kelson Vibber
> SpeedGate Communications <www.speed.net>


sorry I assume most are intelligent enough to read my bad spelling. Didn't
mean to confuse you.
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Brook Humphrey
Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107
http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com
Holiness unto the Lord
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At 12:45 PM 2/9/2004, Brook Humphrey wrote:

>On Monday 09 February 2004 12:37, Kelson Vibber wrote:
> > I don't know about this "Fadora," thing, though... maybe that's the
> problem :-)
>
>sorry I assume most are intelligent enough to read my bad spelling. Didn't
>mean to confuse you.

Similarly, I assume most are familiar enough with net practices to
recognize a smiley as an indicator of a joke.

Didn't mean to confuse you.

Kelson Vibber
SpeedGate Communications <www.speed.net>

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On Monday 09 February 2004 14:26, Kelson Vibber wrote:
> Similarly, I assume most are familiar enough with net practices to
> recognize a smiley as an indicator of a joke.
>
> Didn't mean to confuse you.
doh I missed the smilly.
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Brook Humphrey
Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107
http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com
Holiness unto the Lord
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Damon Cassell wrote:
> recently moved a customer of mine to Mandrake 9.2, and had great results
> there, too. In all cases I always use Postfix as the MTA, and build it

I'm also a fan of Mandrake as well, especially the configuration of
URPMI for fast and easy security updating.

FreeBSD :)

On Wednesday 11 February 2004 06:38, Josh Endries wrote:
> FreeBSD :)
um yea right. You were telling us about your nightmares?
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Brook Humphrey
Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107
http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com
Holiness unto the Lord
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Gentoo

Josh Endries wrote:

>FreeBSD :)
>
>
>

Mike

FreeBSD or Slackware :)


mike wrote:

> Gentoo
>
> Josh Endries wrote:
>
>> FreeBSD :)
>>
>>
>>
>
> Mike
>

> mike wrote:
>
>> Gentoo
>>

I'll have to second this. I absolutely love Gentoo. :)

The ebuild maintainer has been doing an ok job of keeping stuff up to
date, but even using the CVS version of SA has worked out well.

-Jonathan

LFS

www.lfs.org

Steve

Jonathan Nichols wrote:
>
> I'll have to second this. I absolutely love Gentoo. :)
>
> -Jonathan

On Wednesday 11 February 2004 09:57, Steve Prior wrote:
> LFS
>
> www.lfs.org
>
> Steve

yea or rock linux. Gentoo is not hard core enough but to hard core for about
99% of most normal users.

>
> Jonathan Nichols wrote:
> > I'll have to second this. I absolutely love Gentoo. :)
> >
> > -Jonathan

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Brook Humphrey
Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107
http://www.webmedic.net, bah@webmedic.net, bah@linux-mandrake.com
Holiness unto the Lord
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Steve Prior wrote:

> LFS
>
> www.lfs.org
>

Were you thinking of Linux From Scratch?

Or is there now a libertarian linux distro? :)

Oops no, the libertarians have NOT taken over Linux...

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

Steve

Jonathan Nichols wrote:

> Steve Prior wrote:
>
>> LFS
>>
>> www.lfs.org
>>
>
> Were you thinking of Linux From Scratch?
>
> Or is there now a libertarian linux distro? :)
>
>