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On 2018-09-18 08:40 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2018-09-18 11:26:57 +0900 (+0900), Ghanshyam Mann wrote:
> [...]
>> I can understand that IRC cannot be used in China which is very
>> painful and mostly it is used weChat.
> [...]
>
> I have yet to hear anyone provide first-hand confirmation that
> access to Freenode's IRC servers is explicitly blocked by the
> mainland Chinese government. There has been a lot of speculation
> that the usual draconian corporate firewall policies (surprise, the
> rest of the World gets to struggle with those too, it's not just a
> problem in China) are blocking a variety of messaging protocols from
> workplace networks and the people who encounter this can't tell the
> difference because they're already accustomed to much of their other
> communications being blocked at the border. I too have heard from
> someone who's heard from someone that "IRC can't be used in China"
> but the concrete reasons why continue to be missing from these
> discussions.
>

I'll reply to this email arbitrarily in order to comply with Zhipeng
Huang's wishes that the conversation concerned with understanding the
actual obstacles to communication takes place on the mailing list. I do
hope I am posting to the correct thread.

In response to part of your comment on the patch at
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602697/ which you posted about 5 hours
ago you said "@Anita you are absolutely right it is only me stuck my
head out speaks itself the problem I stated in the patch. Many of the
community tools that we are comfortable with are not that accessible to
a broader ecosystem. And please assured that I meant I refer the patch
to the Chinese community, as Leong also did on the ML, to try to bring
them over to join the convo." and I would like to reply.

I would like to say that I am honoured by your generosity. Thank you.
Now, when the Chinese community consumes the patch, as well as the
conversation in the comments, please encourage folks to ask for
clarification if any descriptions or phrases don't make sense to them.
One of the best ways of ensuring clear communication is to start off
slowly and take the time to ask what the other side means. It can seem
tedious and a waste of time, but I have found it to be very educational
and helpful in understanding how the other person perceives the
situation. It also helps me to understand how I am creating obstacles in
ways that I talk.

Taking time to clarify helps me to adjust how I am speaking so that my
meaning is more likely to be understood by the group to which I am
trying to offer my perspective. I do appreciate that many people are
trying to avoid embarrassment, but I have never found any way to
understand people in a culture that is not the one I group up in, other
than embarrassing myself and working through it. Usually I find the
group I am wanting to understand is more than willing to rescue me from
my embarrassment and support me in my learning. In a strange way, the
embarrassment is kind of helpful in order to create understanding
between myself and those people I am trying to understand.

Thank you, Anita

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Thanks Anita, will definitely do as you kindly suggested :)

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 12:04 PM Anita Kuno <anteaya@anteaya.info> wrote:

> On 2018-09-18 08:40 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > On 2018-09-18 11:26:57 +0900 (+0900), Ghanshyam Mann wrote:
> > [...]
> >> I can understand that IRC cannot be used in China which is very
> >> painful and mostly it is used weChat.
> > [...]
> >
> > I have yet to hear anyone provide first-hand confirmation that
> > access to Freenode's IRC servers is explicitly blocked by the
> > mainland Chinese government. There has been a lot of speculation
> > that the usual draconian corporate firewall policies (surprise, the
> > rest of the World gets to struggle with those too, it's not just a
> > problem in China) are blocking a variety of messaging protocols from
> > workplace networks and the people who encounter this can't tell the
> > difference because they're already accustomed to much of their other
> > communications being blocked at the border. I too have heard from
> > someone who's heard from someone that "IRC can't be used in China"
> > but the concrete reasons why continue to be missing from these
> > discussions.
> >
>
> I'll reply to this email arbitrarily in order to comply with Zhipeng
> Huang's wishes that the conversation concerned with understanding the
> actual obstacles to communication takes place on the mailing list. I do
> hope I am posting to the correct thread.
>
> In response to part of your comment on the patch at
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602697/ which you posted about 5 hours
> ago you said "@Anita you are absolutely right it is only me stuck my
> head out speaks itself the problem I stated in the patch. Many of the
> community tools that we are comfortable with are not that accessible to
> a broader ecosystem. And please assured that I meant I refer the patch
> to the Chinese community, as Leong also did on the ML, to try to bring
> them over to join the convo." and I would like to reply.
>
> I would like to say that I am honoured by your generosity. Thank you.
> Now, when the Chinese community consumes the patch, as well as the
> conversation in the comments, please encourage folks to ask for
> clarification if any descriptions or phrases don't make sense to them.
> One of the best ways of ensuring clear communication is to start off
> slowly and take the time to ask what the other side means. It can seem
> tedious and a waste of time, but I have found it to be very educational
> and helpful in understanding how the other person perceives the
> situation. It also helps me to understand how I am creating obstacles in
> ways that I talk.
>
> Taking time to clarify helps me to adjust how I am speaking so that my
> meaning is more likely to be understood by the group to which I am
> trying to offer my perspective. I do appreciate that many people are
> trying to avoid embarrassment, but I have never found any way to
> understand people in a culture that is not the one I group up in, other
> than embarrassing myself and working through it. Usually I find the
> group I am wanting to understand is more than willing to rescue me from
> my embarrassment and support me in my learning. In a strange way, the
> embarrassment is kind of helpful in order to create understanding
> between myself and those people I am trying to understand.
>
> Thank you, Anita
>
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