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We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT - so this has been lovely....

Linda Lederer
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From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Begarowicz, Shawn via Outages
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 9:13 AM
To: Rob Repp <robrepp@winnetka36.org>; Jeremy Gault (KD4NED) <jeremy@gault.us>
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Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem






Thank You,
Shawn Begarowicz (Technology/Service Manager)
Complete Interactive Technologies
44265 Groesbeck Highway
Clinton Township, MI 48036
586-439-2000 Ext. 120 | 586-439-2001 Fax
586-913-2420 Direct Tel | 586-203-4940 Direct Fax
586-883-4037 Cell
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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn't appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I've also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I'd love to see the postmortem on this.

Jeremy


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I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software
are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays
for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects
the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business
is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for
x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for
redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a
technical issue; it is a business issue.

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> We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this
> has been lovely….
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> *Linda Lederer*
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> 2701 Red Lion Road
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> Philadelphia, PA 19154
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> Ext. 238
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> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
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> Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of
> them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post
> mortem
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>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Shawn Begarowicz (Technology/Service Manager)
> Complete Interactive Technologies
> 44265 Groesbeck Highway
> Clinton Township, MI 48036
> 586-439-2000 Ext. 120 | 586-439-2001 Fax
> 586-913-2420 Direct Tel | 586-203-4940 Direct Fax
> 586-883-4037 Cell
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> One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t
> appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have
> no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and
> receive calls.
>
> Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G
> service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones
> sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others
> having no service at all.
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Hello, has AT&T provided anyone an ETA on restoring services?

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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 10:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22


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I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.

;)

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….

Linda Lederer
IT DEPARTMENT

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2701 Red Lion Road
Philadelphia, PA 19154
Office: 215.992.0900
Ext. 238

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Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem






Thank You,
Shawn Begarowicz (Technology/Service Manager)
Complete Interactive Technologies
44265 Groesbeck Highway
Clinton Township, MI 48036
586-439-2000 Ext. 120 | 586-439-2001 Fax
586-913-2420 Direct Tel | 586-203-4940 Direct Fax
586-883-4037 Cell
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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I’d love to see the postmortem on this.

Jeremy


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Negative not even a RFO or what's happening. But they have all hands-on deck.. The RFO will be interesting..






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586-439-2000 Ext. 120 | 586-439-2001 Fax
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I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.



;)



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We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….



Linda Lederer

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2701 Red Lion Road

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Ext. 238



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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem







Thank You,
Shawn Begarowicz (Technology/Service Manager)
Complete Interactive Technologies
44265 Groesbeck Highway
Clinton Township, MI 48036
586-439-2000 Ext. 120 | 586-439-2001 Fax
586-913-2420 Direct Tel | 586-203-4940 Direct Fax
586-883-4037 Cell
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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I’d love to see the postmortem on this.

Jeremy


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I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.

;)

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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem






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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

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Agreed!

After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof).

Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.

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?
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-richey

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I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.

;)

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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem






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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

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Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using e-sims instead.
(Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need to work with a backwards carrier).
I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were also mentioned).
An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.
Owen

On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

? Agreed!
After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof).
Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.

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?

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Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.



;)



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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

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Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like
speculation at this point.

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wrote:

> Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using
> e-sims instead.
>
> (Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need
> to work with a backwards carrier).
>
> I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo
> which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US.
> (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well
> (several of them were also mentioned).
>
> An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org>
> wrote:
>
> ? Agreed!
>
> After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email
> signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a
> huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages
> happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort
> offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack
> thereof).
>
> Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell
> phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another
> carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use
> the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by
> humans. At least for now….. ????
>
>
>
>
>
> -richey
>
>
>
> *From: *Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Kenny Sallee
> via Outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
> *To: *Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>
> *Cc: *outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
> I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software
> are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays
> for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects
> the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business
> is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for
> x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for
> redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a
> technical issue; it is a business issue.
>
>
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this
> has been lovely….
>
>
>
> *Linda Lederer*
>
> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>
>
>
> <image001.png>
>
> 2701 Red Lion Road
>
> Philadelphia, PA 19154
>
> Office: 215.992.0900
>
> Ext. 238
>
>
>
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> Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of
> them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post
> mortem
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> receive calls.
>
> Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G
> service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones
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Once upon a time, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> said:
> Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using e-sims
> instead.

Lots still use a physical SIM (not all carriers/devices/OS versions
support eSIM, and also some carriers apparently have exerted more limits
on which devices they'll let you bring with eSIM).

> I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which
> account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all
> three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were
> also mentioned).

Any citation for anybody other than AT&T (and their other brands, MVNOs,
etc.) being affected? Both Verizon and T-Mobile have said they had no
network issues, except for their customers trying to contact AT&T
customers.

Note: downdetector (and a slew of news articles referencing it as truth)
is not a valid citation.
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A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least
locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to
call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had
full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers
being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another
carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.

Example from news:
> Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its
network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
> T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an
outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect
customers attempting to reach users on other networks.

Source:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <
outages@outages.org> wrote:

> Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like
> speculation at this point.
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
>> Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using
>> e-sims instead.
>>
>> (Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need
>> to work with a backwards carrier).
>>
>> I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo
>> which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US.
>> (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well
>> (several of them were also mentioned).
>>
>> An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ? Agreed!
>>
>> After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email
>> signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a
>> huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages
>> happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort
>> offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack
>> thereof).
>>
>> Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell
>> phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another
>> carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use
>> the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <
>> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by
>> humans. At least for now….. ????
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -richey
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Kenny Sallee
>> via Outages <outages@outages.org>
>> *Date: *Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
>> *To: *Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>
>> *Cc: *outages <outages@outages.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>>
>> I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and
>> software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the
>> business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity
>> that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if
>> the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if
>> we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business
>> decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is
>> not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
>> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>>
>> We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this
>> has been lovely….
>>
>>
>>
>> *Linda Lederer*
>>
>> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>>
>>
>>
>> <image001.png>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Office: 215.992.0900
>>
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>> Shawn via Outages
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 9:13 AM
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>> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>>
>>
>>
>> Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of
>> them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post
>> mortem
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Shawn Begarowicz (Technology/Service Manager)
>> Complete Interactive Technologies
>> 44265 Groesbeck Highway
>> Clinton Township, MI 48036
>> 586-439-2000 Ext. 120 | 586-439-2001 Fax
>> 586-913-2420 Direct Tel | 586-203-4940 Direct Fax
>> 586-883-4037 Cell
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>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [outages] ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
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>> One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t
>> appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have
>> no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and
>> receive calls.
>>
>> Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G
>> service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones
>> sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others
>> having no service at all.
>>
>> I’d love to see the postmortem on this.
>>
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Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up quickly.

Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who can’t contact AT&T users.

Sterling Jaynes
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM
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A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.

Example from news:
> Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
> T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect customers attempting to reach users on other networks.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938<https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938>

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like speculation at this point.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using e-sims instead.

(Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need to work with a backwards carrier).

I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were also mentioned).

An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.

Owen



On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
? Agreed!

After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof).

Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.


On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
?
Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by humans. At least for now….. ????


-richey

From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org<mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> on behalf of Kenny Sallee via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>>
Date: Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
To: Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com<mailto:llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>>
Cc: outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.

;)

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….

Linda Lederer
IT DEPARTMENT

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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem






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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I’d love to see the postmortem on this.

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Has anyone been able to verify if there was an AT&T network outage this morning
as I have had issues on my AT&T devices.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279



I don’t buy it!







JM



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Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22



Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up quickly.



Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who can’t contact AT&T users.



Sterling Jaynes

Director of IT Operations



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A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.



Example from news:

> Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.

> T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect customers attempting to reach users on other networks.



Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938



On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org> > wrote:

Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like speculation at this point.



On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org> > wrote:

Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using e-sims instead.



(Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need to work with a backwards carrier).



I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were also mentioned).



An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.



Owen





On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org> > wrote:

? Agreed!



After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof).



Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.



On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org> > wrote:

?

Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by humans. At least for now….. ????





-richey



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I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.



;)



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We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….



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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem







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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I’d love to see the postmortem on this.

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This is just one of numerous reports:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938

Thanks,
John


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Date: Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 1:45?PM
To: Sterling Jaynes <sterling.jaynes@mactexas.com>
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Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
?Has anyone been able to verify if there was an AT&T network outage this morning as I have had issues on my AT&T devices.
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Extremely unlikely. We did have a X1.7 class flare 12 hours before the
event but the amount of disruption that would cause would be almost
negligible. It would only really affect satellite communications and
anything using ionospheric skip, and considering the intensity, not for a
long period of time. This just seems like paranoia and attempting to find
correlation where there is none.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 12:46?PM Jeff Martinez via Outages <
outages@outages.org> wrote:

> https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279
>
>
>
> I don’t buy it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JM
>
>
>
> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Sterling
> Jaynes via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM
> *To:* Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <
> josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
> Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where
> it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being
> flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is
> what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up
> quickly.
>
>
>
> Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who
> can’t contact AT&T users.
>
>
>
> Sterling Jaynes
>
> Director of IT Operations
>
>
>
> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Jim Harton
> via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM
> *To:* Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
>
>
> *** This email was received outside the organization and contains one or
> more web links. Use caution when following links as they could open
> malicious web sites. ***
>
>
>
> A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least
> locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to
> call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had
> full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers
> being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another
> carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.
>
>
>
> Example from news:
>
> > Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its
> network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
>
> > T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an
> outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect
> customers attempting to reach users on other networks.
>
>
>
> Source:
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like
> speculation at this point.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using
> e-sims instead.
>
>
>
> (Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need
> to work with a backwards carrier).
>
>
>
> I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo
> which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US.
> (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well
> (several of them were also mentioned).
>
>
>
> An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org>
> wrote:
>
> ? Agreed!
>
>
>
> After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email
> signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a
> huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages
> happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort
> offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack
> thereof).
>
>
>
> Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell
> phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another
> carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use
> the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by
> humans. At least for now….. ????
>
>
>
>
>
> -richey
>
>
>
> *From: *Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Kenny Sallee
> via Outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
> *To: *Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>
> *Cc: *outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
> I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software
> are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays
> for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects
> the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business
> is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for
> x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for
> redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a
> technical issue; it is a business issue.
>
>
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this
> has been lovely….
>
>
>
> *Linda Lederer*
>
> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>
>
>
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>
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> Office: 215.992.0900
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> Ext. 238
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> Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of
> them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post
> mortem
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>
>
>
>
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> no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and
> receive calls.
>
> Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G
> service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones
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There were two flares - an X1.7 and an X1.8. No CME's though, so we aren't
going to get smacked by that. https://spaceweather.com/

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 10:55?AM David Eddleman via Outages <
outages@outages.org> wrote:

> Extremely unlikely. We did have a X1.7 class flare 12 hours before the
> event but the amount of disruption that would cause would be almost
> negligible. It would only really affect satellite communications and
> anything using ionospheric skip, and considering the intensity, not for a
> long period of time. This just seems like paranoia and attempting to find
> correlation where there is none.
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 12:46?PM Jeff Martinez via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
>> https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t buy it!
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>>
>>
>>
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>> JM
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Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279

I don’t buy it!



JM

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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up quickly.

Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who can’t contact AT&T users.

Sterling Jaynes
Director of IT Operations

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A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.

Example from news:
> Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
> T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect customers attempting to reach users on other networks.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like speculation at this point.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using e-sims instead.

(Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need to work with a backwards carrier).

I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were also mentioned).

An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.

Owen


On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
? Agreed!

After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof).

Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.

On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
?
Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by humans. At least for now….. ????


-richey

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Date: Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
To: Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com<mailto:llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>>
Cc: outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.

;)

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We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….

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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem






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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I’d love to see the postmortem on this.

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That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing like
that happened. She has no clue.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01?PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
outages@outages.org> wrote:

> Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.
>
>
>
> *Linda Lederer*
>
> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>
>
>
> [.image: A picture containing object Description generated with very high
> confidence]
>
> 2701 Red Lion Road
>
> Philadelphia, PA 19154
>
> Office: 215.992.0900
>
> Ext. 238
>
>
>
> [image: facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/quakervalleyfoods/>[image:
> youtube2] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5DfxpLA6aGpeCwMvrNFxFQ>[image:
> linkedin] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/quaker-valley-foods>
> <http://www.quakervalleyfoods.com/>
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> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Jeff
> Martinez via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 1:45 PM
> *To:* Sterling Jaynes <sterling.jaynes@mactexas.com>; Jim Harton
> <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
> https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279
>
>
>
> I don’t buy it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JM
>
>
>
> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Sterling
> Jaynes via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM
> *To:* Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <
> josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
> Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where
> it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being
> flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is
> what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up
> quickly.
>
>
>
> Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who
> can’t contact AT&T users.
>
>
>
> Sterling Jaynes
>
> Director of IT Operations
>
>
>
> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Jim Harton
> via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM
> *To:* Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
>
>
> *** This email was received outside the organization and contains one or
> more web links. Use caution when following links as they could open
> malicious web sites. ***
>
>
>
> A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least
> locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to
> call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had
> full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers
> being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another
> carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.
>
>
>
> Example from news:
>
> > Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its
> network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
>
> > T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an
> outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect
> customers attempting to reach users on other networks.
>
>
>
> Source:
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like
> speculation at this point.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using
> e-sims instead.
>
>
>
> (Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need
> to work with a backwards carrier).
>
>
>
> I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo
> which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US.
> (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well
> (several of them were also mentioned).
>
>
>
> An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org>
> wrote:
>
> ? Agreed!
>
>
>
> After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email
> signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a
> huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages
> happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort
> offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack
> thereof).
>
>
>
> Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell
> phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another
> carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use
> the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by
> humans. At least for now….. ????
>
>
>
>
>
> -richey
>
>
>
> *From: *Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Kenny Sallee
> via Outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
> *To: *Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>
> *Cc: *outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
> I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software
> are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays
> for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects
> the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business
> is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for
> x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for
> redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a
> technical issue; it is a business issue.
>
>
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this
> has been lovely….
>
>
>
> *Linda Lederer*
>
> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>
>
>
> <image001.png>
>
> 2701 Red Lion Road
>
> Philadelphia, PA 19154
>
> Office: 215.992.0900
>
> Ext. 238
>
>
>
> *<image002.png> <http://www.facebook.com/quakervalleyfoods/>*
>
> <image003.png> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5DfxpLA6aGpeCwMvrNFxFQ>
>
> <image004.png> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/quaker-valley-foods>
>
> <image005.png> <http://www.quakervalleyfoods.com/>
>
>
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> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Begarowicz,
> Shawn via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 9:13 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
> Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of
> them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post
> mortem
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Shawn Begarowicz (Technology/Service Manager)
> Complete Interactive Technologies
> 44265 Groesbeck Highway
> Clinton Township, MI 48036
> 586-439-2000 Ext. 120 | 586-439-2001 Fax
> 586-913-2420 Direct Tel | 586-203-4940 Direct Fax
> 586-883-4037 Cell
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> One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t
> appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have
> no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and
> receive calls.
>
> Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G
> service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones
> sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others
> having no service at all.
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> I’d love to see the postmortem on this.
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We were not impacted in Canada as our abundant Maple Syrup and other
shielding cliches provided protection from the storm.

    ---Mike

On 2/22/2024 2:36 PM, Steele, John via Outages wrote:
> That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing
> like that happened.  She has no clue.
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01?PM Lederer, Linda via Outages
> <outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.
>
> *Linda Lederer*
>
> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>
> //
>
> A picture containing object Description generated with very high
> confidence
>
> 2701 Red Lion Road
>
> Philadelphia, PA  19154
>
> Office: 215.992.0900
>
> Ext. 238
>
> facebook <http://www.facebook.com/quakervalleyfoods/>youtube2
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5DfxpLA6aGpeCwMvrNFxFQ>linkedin
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> <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network
> 2024-02-22
>
> https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279
>
> I don’t buy it!
>
> JM
>
> *From:*Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of
> *Sterling Jaynes via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM
> *To:* Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman
> <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network
> 2024-02-22
>
> Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a
> time, where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on
> the network) was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to
> register on their network (which is what cellular devices will do
> when it can’t register). But it cleared up quickly.
>
> Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users
> who can’t contact AT&T users.
>
> Sterling Jaynes
>
> Director of IT Operations
>
> *From:*Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Harton via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM
> *To:* Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network
> 2024-02-22
>
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> A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at
> least locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were
> attempting to call individuals on AT&T.  In two cases of
> individuals I talked to they had full voice and data.  I haven't
> seen any confirmation on other providers being down, and VZW put
> out a statement stating they were aware of "another carrier" being
> down, but they were unaffected.
>
> Example from news:
>
> > Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting
> its network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
>
> > T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer
> an outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers
> likely reflect customers attempting to reach users on other networks.
>
> Source:
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages
> <outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all
> seems like speculation at this point.
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages
> <outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my
> knowledge, using e-sims instead.
>
> (Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim
> in case you need to work with a backwards carrier).
>
> I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT,
> Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of
> licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary
> carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of
> them were also mentioned).
>
> An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.
>
> Owen
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages
> <outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> ? Agreed!
>
> After reading through more lines of someone’s
> extremely obnoxious email signature than actual
> discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a
> huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it
> sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen…
> but cell service is a best effort offering and we
> cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack
> thereof).
>
> Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities,
> afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played
> out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even
> if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that
> doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap
> insurance to keep you connected.
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via
> Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and
> maintained by humans.       At least for now….. ????
>
> -richey
>
> *From: *Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on
> behalf of Kenny Sallee via Outages
> <outages@outages.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
> *To: *Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>
> *Cc: *outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT
> cellular network 2024-02-22
>
> I encourage my customers to always assume
> carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail
> and have backup plans/methods. Either the business
> pays for it before it's needed or they lose money
> or productivity that affects the bottom line. 
> It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the
> business is OK with outages we do not need
> backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours
> it will cost y dollars.  What's your business
> decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with
> outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical
> issue; it is a business issue.
>
> ;)
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via
> Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara
> which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….
>
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> Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to
> slowly be dropping with all of them just not
> at the same time..   I agree cant wait to see
> the post mortem
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> One thing I have noticed: At least in some
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> customers affected. For example, my phone and
> tablet have no service, but my watch will
> connect to LTE just fine and place and receive
> calls.
>
> Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and
> his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve
> also seen other reports of multiple AT&T
> phones sitting next to each other, some of
> them working perfectly fine, and others having
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Are you implying Maple Syrup protects against EMP? (Not financial advice)


On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 6:44?AM mike tancsa via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

We were not impacted in Canada as our abundant Maple Syrup and other shielding cliches provided protection from the storm.


---Mike
On 2/22/2024 2:36 PM, Steele, John via Outages wrote:

That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing like that happened. She has no clue.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01?PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.



Linda Lederer

IT DEPARTMENT





2701 Red Lion Road

Philadelphia, PA 19154

Office: 215.992.0900

Ext. 238



http://www.facebook.com/quakervalleyfoods/"]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5DfxpLA6aGpeCwMvrNFxFQ"]https://www.linkedin.com/company/quaker-valley-foods"]http://www.quakervalleyfoods.com/"]

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From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Jeff Martinez via Outages
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 1:45 PM
To: Sterling Jaynes <sterling.jaynes@mactexas.com>; Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Cc: outages <outages@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22



https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279"]https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279



I don’t buy it!







JM



From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Sterling Jaynes via Outages
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM
To: Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Cc: outages <outages@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22



Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up quickly.



Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who can’t contact AT&T users.



Sterling Jaynes

Director of IT Operations



From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Jim Harton via Outages
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM
To: Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Cc: outages <outages@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

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A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.



Example from news:

> Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.

> T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect customers attempting to reach users on other networks.



Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938"]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938



On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like speculation at this point.



On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using e-sims instead.



(Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need to work with a backwards carrier).



I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were also mentioned).



An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.



Owen

On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

? Agreed!



After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof).



Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.

On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

?

Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by humans. At least for now….. ????





-richey



From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Kenny Sallee via Outages <outages@outages.org>
Date: Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
To: Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>
Cc: outages <outages@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.



;)



On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….



Linda Lederer

IT DEPARTMENT



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2701 Red Lion Road

Philadelphia, PA 19154

Office: 215.992.0900

Ext. 238



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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem







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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I’d love to see the postmortem on this.

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If only it were that simple – real Maple Syrup however would be awfully expensive to use in large quantities to shield from solar flares….

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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 2:45 PM
To: mike tancsa <mike@sentex.net>
Cc: Steele, John <john.steele@ennis.k12.tx.us>; Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>; outages <outages@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

Are you implying Maple Syrup protects against EMP? (Not financial advice)




On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 6:44?AM mike tancsa via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:

We were not impacted in Canada as our abundant Maple Syrup and other shielding cliches provided protection from the storm.

---Mike
On 2/22/2024 2:36 PM, Steele, John via Outages wrote:
That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing like that happened. She has no clue.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01?PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279

I don’t buy it!



JM

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Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up quickly.

Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who can’t contact AT&T users.

Sterling Jaynes
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A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.

Example from news:
> Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
> T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect customers attempting to reach users on other networks.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like speculation at this point.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using e-sims instead.

(Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need to work with a backwards carrier).

I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were also mentioned).

An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.

Owen


On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
? Agreed!

After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof).

Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.

On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
?
Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by humans. At least for now….. ????


-richey

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Date: Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
To: Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com<mailto:llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>>
Cc: outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.

;)

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….

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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem






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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I’d love to see the postmortem on this.

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This is where someone pops in and reminds folks about -discuss.

JM

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 2:52 PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
outages@outages.org> wrote:

> If only it were that simple – real Maple Syrup however would be awfully
> expensive to use in large quantities to shield from solar flares….
>
>
>
> *Linda Lederer*
>
> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>
>
>
> [.image: A picture containing object Description generated with very high
> confidence]
>
> 2701 Red Lion Road
>
> Philadelphia, PA 19154
>
> Office: 215.992.0900
>
> Ext. 238
>
>
>
> [image: facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/quakervalleyfoods/>[image:
> youtube2] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5DfxpLA6aGpeCwMvrNFxFQ>[image:
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> <http://www.quakervalleyfoods.com/>
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> *From:* Michael B. Williams <michael.williams@glexia.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 2:45 PM
> *To:* mike tancsa <mike@sentex.net>
> *Cc:* Steele, John <john.steele@ennis.k12.tx.us>; Lederer, Linda <
> llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>; outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
> Are you implying Maple Syrup protects against EMP? (Not financial advice)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 6:44?AM mike tancsa via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> We were not impacted in Canada as our abundant Maple Syrup and other
> shielding cliches provided protection from the storm.
>
> ---Mike
>
> On 2/22/2024 2:36 PM, Steele, John via Outages wrote:
>
> That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing like
> that happened. She has no clue.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01?PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.
>
>
>
> *Linda Lederer*
>
> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>
>
>
> [.image: A picture containing object Description generated with very high
> confidence]
>
> 2701 Red Lion Road
>
> Philadelphia, PA 19154
>
> Office: 215.992.0900
>
> Ext. 238
>
>
>
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> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Jeff
> Martinez via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 1:45 PM
> *To:* Sterling Jaynes <sterling.jaynes@mactexas.com>; Jim Harton
> <jim@cybersweat.shop> <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <
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> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
> https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279
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>
>
> I don’t buy it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JM
>
>
>
> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Sterling
> Jaynes via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM
> *To:* Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop>; Josh Luthman <
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> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
>
> Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where
> it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being
> flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is
> what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up
> quickly.
>
>
>
> Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who
> can’t contact AT&T users.
>
>
>
> Sterling Jaynes
>
> Director of IT Operations
>
>
>
> *From:* Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> *On Behalf Of *Jim Harton
> via Outages
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM
> *To:* Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Cc:* outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
>
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> A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least
> locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to
> call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had
> full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers
> being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another
> carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.
>
>
>
> Example from news:
>
> > Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its
> network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
>
> > T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an
> outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect
> customers attempting to reach users on other networks.
>
>
>
> Source:
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like
> speculation at this point.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using
> e-sims instead.
>
>
>
> (Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need
> to work with a backwards carrier).
>
>
>
> I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo
> which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US.
> (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well
> (several of them were also mentioned).
>
>
>
> An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.
>
>
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org>
> wrote:
>
> ? Agreed!
>
>
>
> After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email
> signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a
> huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages
> happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort
> offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack
> thereof).
>
>
>
> Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell
> phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another
> carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use
> the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by
> humans. At least for now….. ????
>
>
>
>
>
> -richey
>
>
>
> *From: *Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Kenny Sallee
> via Outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
> *To: *Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>
> *Cc: *outages <outages@outages.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
>
> I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software
> are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays
> for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects
> the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business
> is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for
> x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for
> redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a
> technical issue; it is a business issue.
>
>
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this
> has been lovely….
>
>
>
> *Linda Lederer*
>
> *IT DEPARTMENT*
>
>
>
> <image001.png>
>
> 2701 Red Lion Road
>
> Philadelphia, PA 19154
>
> Office: 215.992.0900
>
> Ext. 238
>
>
>
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> Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of
> them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post
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> Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G
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On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 7:05?AM James Milko <jmilko@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is where someone pops in and reminds folks about -discuss.
>
>
> JM
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 2:52 PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org
> [outages@outages.org]> wrote:
>
>
> > If only it were that simple – real Maple Syrup however would be awfully
> > expensive to use in large quantities to shield from solar flares….
> >
> >  
> >
> > Linda Lederer
> >
> > IT DEPARTMENT
> >
> >  
> >
> > A picture containing object Description generated with very high confidence
> > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]
> >
> > 2701 Red Lion Road
> >
> > Philadelphia, PA  19154
> >
> > Office:  215.992.0900
> >
> > Ext. 238
> >
> >  
> >
> > facebook
> > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]http://www.facebook.com/quakervalleyfoods/youtube2
> > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5DfxpLA6aGpeCwMvrNFxFQlinkedin
> > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]https://www.linkedin.com/company/quaker-valley-foods[data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]http://www.quakervalleyfoods.com/
> >
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> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > From: Michael B. Williams <michael.williams@glexia.com
> > [michael.williams@glexia.com]>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 2:45 PM
> > To: mike tancsa <mike@sentex.net [mike@sentex.net]>
> > Cc: Steele, John <john.steele@ennis.k12.tx.us
> > [john.steele@ennis.k12.tx.us]>; Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.
> > com [llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com]>; outages <outages@outages.org
> > [outages@outages.org]>
> > Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
> >
> >  
> >
> > Are you implying Maple Syrup protects against EMP? (Not financial advice)
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 6:44?AM mike tancsa via Outages <outages@outages.org
> > [outages@outages.org]> wrote:
> >
> > > We were not impacted in Canada as our abundant Maple Syrup and other
> > > shielding cliches provided protection from the storm. 
> > >
> > >     ---Mike
> > >
> > > On 2/22/2024 2:36 PM, Steele, John via Outages wrote:
> > >
> > > > That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing like
> > > > that happened.  She has no clue.
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01?PM Lederer, Linda via Outages
> > > > <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > Linda Lederer
> > > > >
> > > > > IT DEPARTMENT
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > A picture containing object Description generated with very high
> > > > > confidence
> > > > > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]
> > > > >
> > > > > 2701 Red Lion Road
> > > > >
> > > > > Philadelphia, PA  19154
> > > > >
> > > > > Office:  215.992.0900
> > > > >
> > > > > Ext. 238
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > facebook
> > > > > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]http://www.facebook.com/quakervalleyfoods/youtube2
> > > > > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5DfxpLA6aGpeCwMvrNFxFQlinkedin
> > > > > [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]https://www.linkedin.com/company/quaker-valley-foods[data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7]http://www.quakervalleyfoods.com/
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org
> > > > > [outages-bounces@outages.org]> On Behalf Of Jeff Martinez via Outages
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 1:45 PM
> > > > > To: Sterling Jaynes <sterling.jaynes@mactexas.com
> > > > > [sterling.jaynes@mactexas.com]>; Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop>
> > > > > [jim@cybersweat.shop]; Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > > > [josh@imaginenetworksllc.com]>
> > > > > Cc: outages <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279
> > > > > [https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279]
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t buy it!
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > JM
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org
> > > > > [outages-bounces@outages.org]> On Behalf Of Sterling Jaynes via
> > > > > Outages
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM
> > > > > To: Jim Harton <jim@cybersweat.shop [jim@cybersweat.shop]>; Josh
> > > > > Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com [josh@imaginenetworksllc.com]>
> > > > > Cc: outages <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time,
> > > > > where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network)
> > > > > was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their
> > > > > network (which is what cellular devices will do when it can’t
> > > > > register). But it cleared up quickly.
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who
> > > > > can’t contact AT&T users.
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > Sterling Jaynes
> > > > >
> > > > > Director of IT Operations
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org
> > > > > [outages-bounces@outages.org]> On Behalf Of Jim Harton via Outages
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:25 PM
> > > > > To: Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > > > [josh@imaginenetworksllc.com]>
> > > > > Cc: outages <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > ** This email was received outside the organization and contains one
> > > > > or more web links. Use caution when following links as they could open
> > > > > malicious web sites. **
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least
> > > > > locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting
> > > > > to call individuals on AT&T.  In two cases of individuals I talked to
> > > > > they had full voice and data.  I haven't seen any confirmation on
> > > > > other providers being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they
> > > > > were aware of "another carrier" being down, but they were unaffected. 
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > Example from news:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its
> > > > > network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
> > > > >
> > > > > > T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an
> > > > > outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely
> > > > > reflect customers attempting to reach users on other networks.
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-
> > > > > mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938
> > > > > [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938]
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages
> > > > > <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems
> > > > > > like speculation at this point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages
> > > > > > <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge,
> > > > > > > using e-sims instead. 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case
> > > > > > > you need to work with a backwards carrier). 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and
> > > > > > > T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in
> > > > > > > the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely
> > > > > > > every MVNO as well (several of them were also mentioned). 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case. 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Owen
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages
> > > > > > > > <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ? Agreed!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely
> > > > > > > > obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread,
> > > > > > > > it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with
> > > > > > > > this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t
> > > > > > > > happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot
> > > > > > > > control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof). 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If
> > > > > > > > your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a
> > > > > > > > second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid
> > > > > > > > SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier…
> > > > > > > > It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected. 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages
> > > > > > > > > <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Remember.  This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained
> > > > > > > > > by humans.       At least for now…..  ????
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -richey
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org
> > > > > > > > > [outages-bounces@outages.org]> on behalf of Kenny Sallee via
> > > > > > > > > Outages <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]>
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com
> > > > > > > > > [llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com]>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: outages <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]>
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network
> > > > > > > > > 2024-02-22
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware,
> > > > > > > > > and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. 
> > > > > > > > > Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they
> > > > > > > > > lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line.  It's
> > > > > > > > > a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with
> > > > > > > > > outages we do not need backup/redundancy.  But if we are out
> > > > > > > > > for x hours it will cost y dollars.  What's your business
> > > > > > > > > decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages?
> > > > > > > > > Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a
> > > > > > > > > business issue.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ;)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages
> > > > > > > > > <outages@outages.org [outages@outages.org]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses
> > > > > > > > > > ATT – so this has been lovely….
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Linda Lederer
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > IT DEPARTMENT
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <image001.png>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2701 Red Lion Road
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Philadelphia, PA  19154
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Office:  215.992.0900
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ext. 238
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <image002.png> [http://www.facebook.com/quakervalleyfoods/]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <image003.png>
> > > > > > > > > > [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5DfxpLA6aGpeCwMvrNFxFQ]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <image004.png>
> > > > > > > > > > [https://www.linkedin.com/company/quaker-valley-foods]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <image005.png> [http://www.quakervalleyfoods.com/]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >
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From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> On Behalf Of Michael B. Williams via Outages
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Per JM adding outages discussion. I did not realise they were omitted before. Apologies.



On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 7:05?AM James Milko <jmilko@gmail.com<mailto:jmilko@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is where someone pops in and reminds folks about -discuss.

JM
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 2:52 PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
If only it were that simple – real Maple Syrup however would be awfully expensive to use in large quantities to shield from solar flares….

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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 2:45 PM
To: mike tancsa <mike@sentex.net<mailto:mike@sentex.net>>
Cc: Steele, John <john.steele@ennis.k12.tx.us<mailto:john.steele@ennis.k12.tx.us>>; Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com<mailto:llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>>; outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>>
Subject: Re: [outages] [EXTERNAL] Re: ATT cellular network 2024-02-22

Are you implying Maple Syrup protects against EMP? (Not financial advice)




On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 6:44?AM mike tancsa via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:

We were not impacted in Canada as our abundant Maple Syrup and other shielding cliches provided protection from the storm.

---Mike
On 2/22/2024 2:36 PM, Steele, John via Outages wrote:
That is bull. I'm a HAM and we have had R3's many times and nothing like that happened. She has no clue.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:01?PM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Haha neither do I but look at the source of that Tweet.

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1760684323563602279

I don’t buy it!



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From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org<mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> On Behalf Of Sterling Jaynes via Outages
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Verizon did have reports of network issues this morning for a time, where it seemed their HLR (where SIM cards register to on the network) was being flooded by AT&T devices attempting to register on their network (which is what cellular devices will do when it can’t register). But it cleared up quickly.

Other reports of T-Mobile/Verizon outages appear to just be users who can’t contact AT&T users.

Sterling Jaynes
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A lot of the individuals who claimed to have service issues (at least locally) using TMO and VZW claimed that because they were attempting to call individuals on AT&T. In two cases of individuals I talked to they had full voice and data. I haven't seen any confirmation on other providers being down, and VZW put out a statement stating they were aware of "another carrier" being down, but they were unaffected.

Example from news:
> Verizon said Thursday morning that the outages are not affecting its network directly, only customers trying to reach another carrier.
> T-Mobile also said early Thursday that the network didn't suffer an outage and is operating normally, and Downdetector numbers likely reflect customers attempting to reach users on other networks.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/t-verizon-t-mobile-customers-hit-widespread-cellular-outages-us-rcna139938

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:44?AM Josh Luthman via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Can anyone confirm issues with anything besides AT&t? This all seems like speculation at this point.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 12:39?PM Owen DeLong via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
Modern phones don’t use hardware sims to the best of my knowledge, using e-sims instead.

(Though I think there is still a slot for a hardware sim in case you need to work with a backwards carrier).

I’ll note that this outage apparently affected ATT, Verizon, and T-Mo which account for the vast majority of licensed spectrum in the US. (Basically all three primary carriers and thus likely every MVNO as well (several of them were also mentioned).

An extra SIM might not have been helpful in this case.

Owen


On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:31, Tim Burke via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
? Agreed!

After reading through more lines of someone’s extremely obnoxious email signature than actual discussion in this thread, it seems like there is a huge amount of panic associated with this. Yes, it sucks that outages happen, and they shouldn’t happen… but cell service is a best effort offering and we cannot control the telcos and their DR plans (or lack thereof).

Modern cell phones all have dual SIM capabilities, afaik. If your cell phone is as critical as its played out to be, get a second SIM on another carrier. Even if it’s just a cheap prepaid SIM on an MVNO that doesn’t use the same underlying carrier… It’s cheap insurance to keep you connected.

On Feb 22, 2024, at 09:36, richey goldberg via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
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Remember. This stuff is still designed, built, and maintained by humans. At least for now….. ????


-richey

From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org<mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org>> on behalf of Kenny Sallee via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>>
Date: Thursday, February 22, 2024 at 10:22 AM
To: Lederer, Linda <llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com<mailto:llederer@quakervalleyfoods.com>>
Cc: outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>>
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I encourage my customers to always assume carriers, hardware, and software are going to fail and have backup plans/methods. Either the business pays for it before it's needed or they lose money or productivity that affects the bottom line. It's a pretty simple equation: Hey Boss, if the business is OK with outages we do not need backup/redundancy. But if we are out for x hours it will cost y dollars. What's your business decision: pay for redundancy/backup or be ok with outages? Redundancy is not necessarily a technical issue; it is a business issue.

;)

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:38?AM Lederer, Linda via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:
We use a fleet tracking service called Samsara which uses ATT – so this has been lovely….

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Our whole fleet uses ATT and it seems to slowly be dropping with all of them just not at the same time.. I agree cant wait to see the post mortem






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One thing I have noticed: At least in some affected areas, it doesn’t appear to be all customers affected. For example, my phone and tablet have no service, but my watch will connect to LTE just fine and place and receive calls.

Likewise, a buddy of mine came by here, and his phones have full 5G service on AT&T. I’ve also seen other reports of multiple AT&T phones sitting next to each other, some of them working perfectly fine, and others having no service at all.

I’d love to see the postmortem on this.

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