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Confirmed fiber cut of a OC-48, still dead, Philadelphia metro area,
and the current status report is:

"Michael(20:43:14): Your circuit is impacted by a cable cut. Technicians
are still at work. In the North Pit, they have excavating the damage and
they are prepping the cable for splicing. In the South Pit, they are
still excavating the damage."

No hint as to how much more was cut at the same time or ETR. But I was
thanked for choosing Verizon. :-)

On 9/3/10 2:03 PM, Jon Radel wrote:
> Or so goes the claim for why a bunch of our DS1s in that area all went
> away ~16:21 UTC. No ETR supplied to us; actually getting any hard data
> out of them right now is proving difficult.
>

--
Jon Radel



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This is very similar to an XO OC-48 fiber cut that happened back in July.
Same areas were effected, South Jersey and Phila. XO was down for 27
hours. The OC-48 may well have been Verizon - wonder whats going in Jersey
with these OC-48 cuts?

-John

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From : Jon Radel <jradel at vantage.com>
To : outages at outages.org <outages at outages.org>
Subject : Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New Jersey
down
Date : Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:52:51 -0400
> Confirmed fiber cut of a OC-48, still dead, Philadelphia metro area,
> and the current status report is:
>
> "Michael(20:43:14): Your circuit is impacted by a cable cut. Technicians
> are still at work. In the North Pit, they have excavating the damage and
> they are prepping the cable for splicing. In the South Pit, they are
> still excavating the damage."
>
> No hint as to how much more was cut at the same time or ETR. But I was
> thanked for choosing Verizon. :-)
>
> On 9/3/10 2:03 PM, Jon Radel wrote:
> > Or so goes the claim for why a bunch of our DS1s in that area all
went
> > away ~16:21 UTC. No ETR supplied to us; actually getting any hard
data
> > out of them right now is proving difficult.
> >
>
> --
> Jon Radel
>
>
>
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Mr. SONET is having tea with the tooth fairy and a unicorn....

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From : Frank Bulk <fbulk at mypremieronline.com>
To : john at quonix.net <john at quonix.net>, outages at outages.org
<outages at outages.org>
Subject : RE: Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New
Jersey down
Date : Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:26:08 -0500
> Where's the SONET? That's my question.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: outages-bounces at outages.org [mailto:outages-bounces at outages.org]
On Behalf Of john at quonix.net
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:10 PM
> To: outages at outages.org
> Subject: Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New Jersey
down
>
> This is very similar to an XO OC-48 fiber cut that happened back in
July.
> Same areas were effected, South Jersey and Phila. XO was down for 27
> hours. The OC-48 may well have been Verizon - wonder whats going in
Jersey
> with these OC-48 cuts?
>
> -John
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> From : Jon Radel <jradel at vantage.com>
> To : outages at outages.org <outages at outages.org>
> Subject : Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New Jersey
> down
> Date : Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:52:51 -0400
> > Confirmed fiber cut of a OC-48, still dead, Philadelphia metro area,
> > and the current status report is:
> >
> > "Michael(20:43:14): Your circuit is impacted by a cable cut.
Technicians
> > are still at work. In the North Pit, they have excavating the damage
and
> > they are prepping the cable for splicing. In the South Pit, they are
> > still excavating the damage."
> >
> > No hint as to how much more was cut at the same time or ETR. But I
was
> > thanked for choosing Verizon. :-)
> >
> > On 9/3/10 2:03 PM, Jon Radel wrote:
> > > Or so goes the claim for why a bunch of our DS1s in that area all
> went
> > > away ~16:21 UTC. No ETR supplied to us; actually getting any hard
> data
> > > out of them right now is proving difficult.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jon Radel
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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I've seen plenty of SONET "rings" where both sides are in the same cable. Not too much protection when doing things that way...

I think the southern cross cable system had some customers that discovered several years back that running production traffic on both sides of your ring can seem like a great way to double capacity until a major storm goes through and blows away one of the cables and you don't have any capacity left for protection on the remaining side of the ring.

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----- Original Message -----
From: outages-bounces@outages.org <outages-bounces@outages.org>
To: outages at outages.org <outages at outages.org>
Sent: Sat Sep 04 06:55:37 2010
Subject: Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New Jersey down

Mr. SONET is having tea with the tooth fairy and a unicorn....

----------------------------------------------------
From : Frank Bulk <fbulk at mypremieronline.com>
To : john at quonix.net <john at quonix.net>, outages at outages.org
<outages at outages.org>
Subject : RE: Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New
Jersey down
Date : Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:26:08 -0500
> Where's the SONET? That's my question.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: outages-bounces at outages.org [mailto:outages-bounces at outages.org]
On Behalf Of john at quonix.net
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:10 PM
> To: outages at outages.org
> Subject: Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New Jersey
down
>
> This is very similar to an XO OC-48 fiber cut that happened back in
July.
> Same areas were effected, South Jersey and Phila. XO was down for 27
> hours. The OC-48 may well have been Verizon - wonder whats going in
Jersey
> with these OC-48 cuts?
>
> -John
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> From : Jon Radel <jradel at vantage.com>
> To : outages at outages.org <outages at outages.org>
> Subject : Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New Jersey
> down
> Date : Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:52:51 -0400
> > Confirmed fiber cut of a OC-48, still dead, Philadelphia metro area,
> > and the current status report is:
> >
> > "Michael(20:43:14): Your circuit is impacted by a cable cut.
Technicians
> > are still at work. In the North Pit, they have excavating the damage
and
> > they are prepping the cable for splicing. In the South Pit, they are
> > still excavating the damage."
> >
> > No hint as to how much more was cut at the same time or ETR. But I
was
> > thanked for choosing Verizon. :-)
> >
> > On 9/3/10 2:03 PM, Jon Radel wrote:
> > > Or so goes the claim for why a bunch of our DS1s in that area all
> went
> > > away ~16:21 UTC. No ETR supplied to us; actually getting any hard
> data
> > > out of them right now is proving difficult.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Jon Radel
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Outages mailing list
> > Outages at outages.org
> > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>
> _______________________________________________
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On 9/4/2010 21:52, Bill Wichers wrote:
> I've seen plenty of SONET "rings" where both sides are in the same
> cable. Not too much protection when doing things that way...
>
> I think the southern cross cable system had some customers that
> discovered several years back that running production traffic on both
> sides of your ring can seem like a great way to double capacity until
> a major storm goes through and blows away one of the cables and you
> don't have any capacity left for protection on the remaining side of
> the ring.

A problem probably as old as chariots.

Management does not understand the notion of "spares". They understand
paying for stuff in revenue service, and does not understand paying for
stuff not in revenue service.

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Then management wasn't charging appropriately. It wouldn't be seen as a
'spare', then.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: outages-bounces@outages.org [mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org] On
Behalf Of Larry Sheldon
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 10:38 PM
To: outages at outages.org
Subject: Re: [outages] Verizon Business OC-48 in Philly, S. New Jersey down

On 9/4/2010 21:52, Bill Wichers wrote:
> I've seen plenty of SONET "rings" where both sides are in the same
> cable. Not too much protection when doing things that way...
>
> I think the southern cross cable system had some customers that
> discovered several years back that running production traffic on both
> sides of your ring can seem like a great way to double capacity until
> a major storm goes through and blows away one of the cables and you
> don't have any capacity left for protection on the remaining side of
> the ring.

A problem probably as old as chariots.

Management does not understand the notion of "spares". They understand
paying for stuff in revenue service, and does not understand paying for
stuff not in revenue service.

--
Somebody should have said:
A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting
the vote.

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