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Matthem,

I read your letter with a bit of a frown.

] Here's a piece of mail I just got forwarded to me by a customer, originally
] written by someone at "worlds.net". I wonder who at MCI is so incredibly
] misinformed about small ISPs, to the point of denigrating them?

] > [ 3rd party mail deleted]

] For the curious, our 7505 at MAE-West peers with 15 other NSPs/ISPs who
] are there, and since we don't buy transit from MCI the _only_ traffic that
] enters the MCI router is traffic for their customers. Anybody at MCI
] who is interested in educating their "regional directors" about how the
] technology actually works might want to do so soon.

Imagine that, someone at an NSP is misinformed?!?

Please, in the future, send this mail to the person's manager, not
to the NANOG mail list. People make mistakes, obviously he made
one, and I don't see any reason to drag them/him through the
coals.

I've seen mistakes made by my customers, SprintLink, ANS, MCI, my
technicians, and *gasp* even me. I don't think this is the
appropriate venue for such things.

-alan

Original message <199601310545.XAA14185@westie.gi.net>
From: Alan Hannan <alan@gi.net>
Date: Jan 30, 23:45
Subject: Re: misinformation and rumors from MCI
>
>
> Matthem,
>
> I read your letter with a bit of a frown.
...
> Please, in the future, send this mail to the person's manager, not
> to the NANOG mail list. People make mistakes, obviously he made
> one, and I don't see any reason to drag them/him through the
> coals.

We've seen this same sort of misinformation propogated by people at the
major NSPs for some time now,... the people who know what interconnects
really are and what routing policy really is read this list, and their
understanding of the technology is presumably well-respected in their
organization. If the major NSPs really want small providers to stay
around to handle the end-user sales, they're going to have to adopt that
attitude comapny-wide, and perhaps the technical people could write up
an FAQ or two for their sales staff so that misinformation like this doesn't
repeatedly end up in my mailbox, coming from customers who think that
WE'RE the ones who lied. This was just yet another "I heard this about you
from MCI and they must know what they're talking about" and I thought
it might be informative for the readers of this list to see what's being
said out there.

There's a difference between a mistake and a corporate attitude of "drag
all the small guys through the mud by claiming that their connectivity sucks
by waving around technical terms".

And sure, if nobody else thought this was interesting, I'll be sure to not
mention this sort of thing on this list again... no need to waste everyone's
valuable mail reading time :)

-matthew kaufman
matthew@scruz.net

Don't worry: I heard the exactly same story: an MCI sales 'pro' from
around here tells customers, IDT is a second line provider and not at any
meetpoints.
Just sales guys who want a comission (rendering a bad service to their
company, however). No problems with MCI for sure. Bet they would like to
know,
which sales guy you talked to

Mike


On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Matthew Kaufman wrote:


>
>
>
> Here's a piece of mail I just got forwarded to me by a customer, originally
> written by someone at "worlds.net". I wonder who at MCI is so incredibly
> misinformed about small ISPs, to the point of denigrating them?
>
> >I met with the regional direction for networkMCI services last week.
> >One of the issues discussed was scruz-net.
> >
> >They are not a true Mae-west peer, meaning their only connection to
> >the internet is through the Mae-west FDDI ring. Even worse, the only
> >company who has agreed to peer with them (accept any traffic) is MCI.
> >
> >Thus, all scruz net traffic must enter and exit through the MCI
> >router, even if bound for another peer on the ring such as Sprint or
> >PSI-net.
> >
> >This was a mistake created by a single person at the internic, who
> >didn't realize fully the ramification of having a non-nationwide
> >network peering into mae-west. (all other peers at the mae's and
> >nap's touch each other at multiple cross-over points)
>
> For the curious, our 7505 at MAE-West peers with 15 other NSPs/ISPs who
> are there, and since we don't buy transit from MCI the _only_ traffic that
> enters the MCI router is traffic for their customers. Anybody at MCI
> who is interested in educating their "regional directors" about how the
> technology actually works might want to do so soon.
>
> -matthew kaufman
> matthew@scruz.net
>
>

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