Is that really an appropriate response for NANOG?
On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:41?PM Geoffrey Jackson <
geoffrey.jackson@protonmail.com> wrote:
> Pussy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
> Sent: 2 December 2023 7:11 AM
> To: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>
> Cc: Tom Mitchell <tmitchell@netelastic.com>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>;
> NZNOG <NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz>; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [nznog] Re: sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for
> faster broadband speeds
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:46?PM Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > If you want money from the government to subsidize your network, you'll
> follow their rules...
>
> It is the misguided focus on too many too simple things from the regulator
> and Congress, without even understanding what a packet is, and enormous
> subsidies for things that don't matter, and great mis-understanding of the
> things that do, that bothers me the most.
>
> Anyway, for 14 years, I have been trying to get bufferbloat fixed,
> universally, and great progress is being made. I felt that with one
> political push like this, it might begin to turn the tide. We are accepting
> signatures on the FCC filing until 2PM EST today.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit
>
> > On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:39?PM Tom Mitchell <tmitchell@netelastic.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not sure we need the FCC telling us how to build products or run
> networks. Seat belts are life-or-death, but bufferbloat is rarely fatal
> ;-) Let it be a point of differentiation.
> >>
> >> -- Tom
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:56?PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Over here:
> >>>
> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-Qmh
> >>> lYRLMBY4vH4/edit
> >>>
> >>> Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the
> >>> FCC's NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing
> >>> the broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit.
> >>>
> >>> "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for
> >>> cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without
> >>> calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering
> >>> wheels, (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these
> >>> initiatives will fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present
> >>> and future users of the internet."
> >>>
> >>> Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in
> flux...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab
> >>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>
>
>
> --
> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave
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On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:41?PM Geoffrey Jackson <
geoffrey.jackson@protonmail.com> wrote:
> Pussy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
> Sent: 2 December 2023 7:11 AM
> To: Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>
> Cc: Tom Mitchell <tmitchell@netelastic.com>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>;
> NZNOG <NZNOG@list.waikato.ac.nz>; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [nznog] Re: sigs wanted for a response to the fcc's NOI for
> faster broadband speeds
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:46?PM Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > If you want money from the government to subsidize your network, you'll
> follow their rules...
>
> It is the misguided focus on too many too simple things from the regulator
> and Congress, without even understanding what a packet is, and enormous
> subsidies for things that don't matter, and great mis-understanding of the
> things that do, that bothers me the most.
>
> Anyway, for 14 years, I have been trying to get bufferbloat fixed,
> universally, and great progress is being made. I felt that with one
> political push like this, it might begin to turn the tide. We are accepting
> signatures on the FCC filing until 2PM EST today.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit
>
> > On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:39?PM Tom Mitchell <tmitchell@netelastic.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not sure we need the FCC telling us how to build products or run
> networks. Seat belts are life-or-death, but bufferbloat is rarely fatal
> ;-) Let it be a point of differentiation.
> >>
> >> -- Tom
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:56?PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Over here:
> >>>
> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-Qmh
> >>> lYRLMBY4vH4/edit
> >>>
> >>> Us bufferbloat folk have been putting together a response to the
> >>> FCC's NOI (notice of inquiry) asking for feedback as to increasing
> >>> the broadband speeds beyond 100/20 Mbit.
> >>>
> >>> "Calls for further bandwidth increases are analogous to calling for
> >>> cars to have top speeds of 100, 200, or 500 miles per hour. Without
> >>> calling also for better airbags, bumpers, brakes, or steering
> >>> wheels, (or roads designed to minimize travel delay), these
> >>> initiatives will fail (and are failing) to meet the needs of present
> >>> and future users of the internet."
> >>>
> >>> Comments (and cites) welcomed also! The text is still somewhat in
> flux...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab
> >>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>
>
>
> --
> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave
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