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For our own plant, we use https://mapitright.com/ For managing my collections of others' maps, I use ArcGIS. Map It Right does all of the slack loops, splice maps, etc. ArcGIS just loads for me a bunch of layers of network map.




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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

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From: "michael brooks - ESC" <michael.brooks@adams12.org>
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: "William Herrin" <bill@herrin.us>, "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26:04 AM
Subject: OSP Management




On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....























michael brooks
Sr. Network Engineer
Adams 12 Five Star Schools

michael.brooks@adams12.org

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"flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"






On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:





Always fun managing OSP.




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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com




This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.

We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to do the trick well.
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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tim=mid.net@nanog.org> on behalf of michael brooks - ESC <michael.brooks@adams12.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM
To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: OSP Management

On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....




michael brooks
Sr. Network Engineer
Adams 12 Five Star Schools
michael.brooks@adams12.org<mailto:michael.brooks@adams12.org>
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"flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"



On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54?AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Always fun managing OSP.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ics-il.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HIqI_JfB$>

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.midwest-ix.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HDRh8w21$>


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3GIS here. Great product.

JJ Stonebraker | Associate Director
The University of Texas System | Office of Telecommunication Services
(512) 232-0888 | jjs@ots.utsystem.edu

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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jjs=ots.utsystem.edu@nanog.org> on behalf of Tim Burke <tim@mid.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 10:26 AM
To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>; michael.brooks@adams12.org <michael.brooks@adams12.org>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: OSP Management

We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to do the trick well.
________________________________
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tim=mid.net@nanog.org> on behalf of michael brooks - ESC <michael.brooks@adams12.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM
To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: OSP Management

On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....




michael brooks
Sr. Network Engineer
Adams 12 Five Star Schools
michael.brooks@adams12.org<mailto:michael.brooks@adams12.org>
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
"flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"



On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54?AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Always fun managing OSP.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ics-il.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HIqI_JfB$>

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.midwest-ix.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HDRh8w21$>


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On that topic, I find it interesting to see how different medium/regional
scale ISPs have developed their own in-house GIS systems, once they reach
the size and scale where one FTE staff position to run GIS systems/database
backend is a necessity.

There is a great deal that can be done with QGIS and entirely GPL/BSD
licensed software, if your GIS person has a background in this sort of
thing.

Privately hosting a intranet-based tile-server for openstreetmap data and
overlaying your own network on top of it is not extremely difficult.



On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:27?AM michael brooks - ESC <
michael.brooks@adams12.org> wrote:

> On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been
> attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good
> product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....
>
>
>
>
> michael brooks
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Adams 12 Five Star Schools
> michael.brooks@adams12.org
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54?AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Always fun managing OSP.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ics-il.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HIqI_JfB$>
>>
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.midwest-ix.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HDRh8w21$>
>>
>>
> This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools. This
> email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
> If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.

We used to have an FTE for ArcGIS. We got by pretty well until we needed to
document circuits down to the NIC level, and then we lost that FTE
altogether. PatchManager was chosen from an RFP for its granularity and
(seeming) user-friendliness.




michael brooks
Sr. Network Engineer
Adams 12 Five Star Schools
michael.brooks@adams12.org
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"flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"



On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 4:29?PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:

> On that topic, I find it interesting to see how different medium/regional
> scale ISPs have developed their own in-house GIS systems, once they reach
> the size and scale where one FTE staff position to run GIS systems/database
> backend is a necessity.
>
> There is a great deal that can be done with QGIS and entirely GPL/BSD
> licensed software, if your GIS person has a background in this sort of
> thing.
>
> Privately hosting a intranet-based tile-server for openstreetmap data and
> overlaying your own network on top of it is not extremely difficult.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:27?AM michael brooks - ESC <
> michael.brooks@adams12.org> wrote:
>
>> On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been
>> attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good
>> product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> michael brooks
>> Sr. Network Engineer
>> Adams 12 Five Star Schools
>> michael.brooks@adams12.org
>> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>> "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54?AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Always fun managing OSP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ics-il.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HIqI_JfB$>
>>>
>>> Midwest-IX
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.midwest-ix.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HDRh8w21$>
>>>
>>>
>> This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools.
>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
>> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
>> If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.
>
>

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This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools.  This
email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.

3Gis is great. We are switching to Crescent link which seems to be lacking
the feature diversity and granularity of 3GIS.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 11:35?AM Stonebraker, Jack J <jjs@ots.utsystem.edu>
wrote:

> 3GIS here. Great product.
>
> *JJ Stonebraker* | Associate Director
> The University of Texas System | Office of Telecommunication Services
> *(512) 232-0888* | jjs@ots.utsystem.edu
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jjs=ots.utsystem.edu@nanog.org> on behalf of
> Tim Burke <tim@mid.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2023 10:26 AM
> *To:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>; michael.brooks@adams12.org <
> michael.brooks@adams12.org>
> *Cc:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: OSP Management
>
> We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to
> do the trick well.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+tim=mid.net@nanog.org> on behalf of michael
> brooks - ESC <michael.brooks@adams12.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM
> *To:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
> *Cc:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* OSP Management
>
> On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been
> attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good
> product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....
>
>
>
>
> michael brooks
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Adams 12 Five Star Schools
> michael.brooks@adams12.org
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54?AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Always fun managing OSP.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ics-il.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HIqI_JfB$>
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.midwest-ix.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HDRh8w21$>
>
>
> This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools. This
> email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
> If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.
>


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Network Engineer
MCNC
3021 E. Cornwallis Rd.
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
(919) 248-1111 Network Operations Center
*** WORKING HOURS M-F 7AM - 4PM ***

3GIS here

On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 11:33?AM Stonebraker, Jack J <jjs@ots.utsystem.edu>
wrote:

> 3GIS here. Great product.
>
> *JJ Stonebraker* | Associate Director
> The University of Texas System | Office of Telecommunication Services
> *(512) 232-0888* | jjs@ots.utsystem.edu
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jjs=ots.utsystem.edu@nanog.org> on behalf of
> Tim Burke <tim@mid.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2023 10:26 AM
> *To:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>; michael.brooks@adams12.org <
> michael.brooks@adams12.org>
> *Cc:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: OSP Management
>
> We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to
> do the trick well.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+tim=mid.net@nanog.org> on behalf of michael
> brooks - ESC <michael.brooks@adams12.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM
> *To:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
> *Cc:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* OSP Management
>
> On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been
> attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good
> product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....
>
>
>
>
> michael brooks
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Adams 12 Five Star Schools
> michael.brooks@adams12.org
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54?AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Always fun managing OSP.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ics-il.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HIqI_JfB$>
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.midwest-ix.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HDRh8w21$>
>
>
> This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools. This
> email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
> If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.
>