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You can try also huawei ne8000-M1A they are full MPLS/MEF and have also a
16x10GE version.



Il giorno mar 1 giu 2021 alle ore 06:34 Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> ha
scritto:

>
>
> On 5/31/21 19:44, Adam Thompson wrote:
>
> But for 4x10G the MX104 is a very nice box - if you can afford it.
>
>
> If you don't need a full BGP table, sure :-).
>
> Mark.
>

Looks like a great box, but we can't use Huawei in the USA.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 6:42 AM Fabrizio Fiore Donati <
fabrizio.fioredonati@2bite.net> wrote:

> You can try also huawei ne8000-M1A they are full MPLS/MEF and have also a
> 16x10GE version.
>
>
>
> Il giorno mar 1 giu 2021 alle ore 06:34 Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> ha
> scritto:
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/21 19:44, Adam Thompson wrote:
>>
>> But for 4x10G the MX104 is a very nice box - if you can afford it.
>>
>>
>> If you don't need a full BGP table, sure :-).
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>

you are right :)

cisco ASR920 is a very good platform here



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Il giorno mar 1 giu 2021 alle ore 14:21 Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com>
ha scritto:

> Looks like a great box, but we can't use Huawei in the USA.
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 6:42 AM Fabrizio Fiore Donati <
> fabrizio.fioredonati@2bite.net> wrote:
>
>> You can try also huawei ne8000-M1A they are full MPLS/MEF and have also a
>> 16x10GE version.
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno mar 1 giu 2021 alle ore 06:34 Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/31/21 19:44, Adam Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> But for 4x10G the MX104 is a very nice box - if you can afford it.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't need a full BGP table, sure :-).
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>

On 6/1/21 14:37, Fabrizio Fiore Donati wrote:

> you are right :)
>
> cisco ASR920 is a very good platform here

We have started hitting its limits on IPv6 TCAM, though. And this is
without a full feed for either IPv4 or IPv6.

We are having to look for a replacement, even though it's
reasonably-featured.

Mark.

Mark,

What replacement options are you looking at for the ASR920?

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 7:52 AM Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:

>
>
> On 6/1/21 14:37, Fabrizio Fiore Donati wrote:
>
> > you are right :)
> >
> > cisco ASR920 is a very good platform here
>
> We have started hitting its limits on IPv6 TCAM, though. And this is
> without a full feed for either IPv4 or IPv6.
>
> We are having to look for a replacement, even though it's
> reasonably-featured.
>
> Mark.
>

On 6/1/21 16:26, Colton Conor wrote:

>
> What replacement options are you looking at for the ASR920?

I'm not at liberty to say yet as it's for kit that's still in alpha
testing, but what I can say is it's from Juniper.

Mark.

Tony,

I reached out to a couple of people, and they mentioned that there is
nothing in the 7210 line that is around $1,000, which is what a Ciena 3924
costs for example. What am I missing?

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:14 PM Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz> wrote:

> 7210-sas-s or 7210-sas-sx is the low cost 24/48x1 4x10G option. These are
> very affordable and reliable MPLS transport devices. You’ll need to contact
> your local Nokia rep for pricing.
>
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
> *From:* Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:03 am
> *To:* Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz>
> *Cc:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs
>
>
>
> Tony,
>
>
>
> Thanks, I wasn't aware of this model. This would compete with the ACX710
> based on the specs (actually have a bit more ports). I guess I will have to
> reach out, but price wise where does this box come in?
>
>
>
> What is Nokia's low cost NID that has at least 4 10G ports?
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 11:49 AM Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz> wrote:
>
> The Nokia 7250-ixr-e covers exactly the port density and price range you
> are looking for. 24x1/10, 8x10/25 and 2x100G with 300G total capacity.
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Colton
> Conor
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 4:39 am
> *To:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> *Subject:* MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs
>
>
>
>
>
> We have used Juniper's ACX line primarily, but there is a big gap in their
> product line. The ACX2200 has only two 10G ports. The next jump up from
> there is the ACX710 with 24 10G ports. They have nothing in between that
> has 4-12 10G ports. Not to mention, Juniper is very proud price wise. We
> are looking for cost efficient 10G NIDs with at least 4 10G ports on them
> and aggregation boxes with at least 12 10G ports on them with 25g/100G
> uplinks.
>
>

Well I can’t talk to what discounts are available, you would need to get that direct off Nokia. The 7210 SAS-S 24F4SFP+ is pretty affordable even with the stand alone MPLS licence but it makes a significant difference where you source Nokia devices and how many you buy. They seem to be kind of like Boeing or Airbus, the list price is X but the airlines never pay list.



From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2021 8:03 am
To: Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs



Tony,



I reached out to a couple of people, and they mentioned that there is nothing in the 7210 line that is around $1,000, which is what a Ciena 3924 costs for example. What am I missing?



On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:14 PM Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz <mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz> > wrote:

7210-sas-s or 7210-sas-sx is the low cost 24/48x1 4x10G option. These are very affordable and reliable MPLS transport devices. You’ll need to contact your local Nokia rep for pricing.



regards



From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com <mailto:colton.conor@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:03 am
To: Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz <mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz> >
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> >
Subject: Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs



Tony,



Thanks, I wasn't aware of this model. This would compete with the ACX710 based on the specs (actually have a bit more ports). I guess I will have to reach out, but price wise where does this box come in?



What is Nokia's low cost NID that has at least 4 10G ports?



On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 11:49 AM Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz <mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz> > wrote:

The Nokia 7250-ixr-e covers exactly the port density and price range you are looking for. 24x1/10, 8x10/25 and 2x100G with 300G total capacity.



From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org <mailto:wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> > On Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 4:39 am
To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> >
Subject: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs





We have used Juniper's ACX line primarily, but there is a big gap in their product line. The ACX2200 has only two 10G ports. The next jump up from there is the ACX710 with 24 10G ports. They have nothing in between that has 4-12 10G ports. Not to mention, Juniper is very proud price wise. We are looking for cost efficient 10G NIDs with at least 4 10G ports on them and aggregation boxes with at least 12 10G ports on them with 25g/100G uplinks.

PS, I don’t believe I mentioned the Nokia’s would meet any particular price point, just that they have some transport boxes that have a very good price/performance/port density (7210/7250). YMMV depending on your supplier, quantities and feature requirements.



From: Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz>
Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2021 8:24 am
To: 'Colton Conor' <colton.conor@gmail.com>
Cc: 'NANOG' <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: RE: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs



Well I can’t talk to what discounts are available, you would need to get that direct off Nokia. The 7210 SAS-S 24F4SFP+ is pretty affordable even with the stand alone MPLS licence but it makes a significant difference where you source Nokia devices and how many you buy. They seem to be kind of like Boeing or Airbus, the list price is X but the airlines never pay list.



From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com <mailto:colton.conor@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2021 8:03 am
To: Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz <mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz> >
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> >
Subject: Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs



Tony,



I reached out to a couple of people, and they mentioned that there is nothing in the 7210 line that is around $1,000, which is what a Ciena 3924 costs for example. What am I missing?



On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:14 PM Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz <mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz> > wrote:

7210-sas-s or 7210-sas-sx is the low cost 24/48x1 4x10G option. These are very affordable and reliable MPLS transport devices. You’ll need to contact your local Nokia rep for pricing.



regards



From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com <mailto:colton.conor@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:03 am
To: Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz <mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz> >
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> >
Subject: Re: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs



Tony,



Thanks, I wasn't aware of this model. This would compete with the ACX710 based on the specs (actually have a bit more ports). I guess I will have to reach out, but price wise where does this box come in?



What is Nokia's low cost NID that has at least 4 10G ports?



On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 11:49 AM Tony Wicks <tony@wicks.co.nz <mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz> > wrote:

The Nokia 7250-ixr-e covers exactly the port density and price range you are looking for. 24x1/10, 8x10/25 and 2x100G with 300G total capacity.



From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org <mailto:wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> > On Behalf Of Colton Conor
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 4:39 am
To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> >
Subject: MPLS/MEF Switches and NIDs





We have used Juniper's ACX line primarily, but there is a big gap in their product line. The ACX2200 has only two 10G ports. The next jump up from there is the ACX710 with 24 10G ports. They have nothing in between that has 4-12 10G ports. Not to mention, Juniper is very proud price wise. We are looking for cost efficient 10G NIDs with at least 4 10G ports on them and aggregation boxes with at least 12 10G ports on them with 25g/100G uplinks.