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On Fri, 30 May 1997 bmanning@ISI.EDU wrote:
> -IF-
> there is a kind person who would be willing to
> forward me material relevent to network operations
> I'd appreciate it.
> Voting w/ his unsubscribe key....

Just bloody great. You and Paul are about to leave because of Jim, Karl,
et al. What ever public worthwhile technical list you join Jim, Karl,
etc. will follow. You and Paul (and no doubt several others that silently
unsubscribed) are valuable contributors to this list. It is a crying
shame to think that you are going to let your voices be silenced by the
DNS discussion fungus.

If the NANOG list needs to be moderated to keep you and others then so be
it.

I volunteer to moderate if nobody else is willing. I will use a simple
rule. I will filter any message that mentions DNS politics. I will
filter any message whose sole content is an ad hominem attack. I think
that should cover about 95% of the traffic of late.

Mike.

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I will repeat again... remove nanog from your cc string when discussing
DNS issues.

Metzger, Crocker et al...

Take a hike!

I did.
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Mike Leber <mleber@he.net> wrote:

>Just bloody great. You and Paul are about to leave because of Jim, Karl,
>et al. What ever public worthwhile technical list you join Jim, Karl,
>etc. will follow. You and Paul (and no doubt several others that silently
>unsubscribed) are valuable contributors to this list. It is a crying
>shame to think that you are going to let your voices be silenced by the
>DNS discussion fungus.
>
>If the NANOG list needs to be moderated to keep you and others then so be
>it.
>
>I volunteer to moderate if nobody else is willing. I will use a simple
>rule. I will filter any message that mentions DNS politics. I will
>filter any message whose sole content is an ad hominem attack. I think
>that should cover about 95% of the traffic of late.

Sounds good to me! While I might be included in many of your minds as
the above "et al" <grin> and thereby not eligible to vote, I'll vote for
Mike as Moderator, as he is the first person here to stop whining about
the problem and propose to fix it.

Take care,
Ron
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Merit isn't going to moderate, or allow anyone else to moderate, this list.

However, if someone makes a "mod.nanog" mailing list and feeds it by reading
the regular NANOG list and forwarding (with original headers) all articles
which are not written by (or which follow up to) Fleming and Denninger, then
I for one would switch my subscription to the "mod.nanog" list. You would of
course have to forward "mod.nanog" articles back to the real NANOG list so
that those who want to see *everything* can do so.

Yes, "." is allowed in a mailing list name. Long live mod.all.
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Or you can use this instead.

http://nic.merit.edu/mail.archives/html/nanog/threads.html


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul A Vixie [SMTP:paul@vix.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 1997 11:08 AM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: moderated NANOG?

Merit isn't going to moderate, or allow anyone else to moderate, this list.

However, if someone makes a "mod.nanog" mailing list and feeds it by reading
the regular NANOG list and forwarding (with original headers) all articles
which are not written by (or which follow up to) Fleming and Denninger, then
I for one would switch my subscription to the "mod.nanog" list. You would of
course have to forward "mod.nanog" articles back to the real NANOG list so
that those who want to see *everything* can do so.

Yes, "." is allowed in a mailing list name. Long live mod.all.


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On Fri, 30 May 1997, Paul A Vixie wrote:

> However, if someone makes a "mod.nanog" mailing list and feeds it by reading
> the regular NANOG list and forwarding (with original headers) all articles
> which are not written by (or which follow up to) Fleming and Denninger, then
> I for one would switch my subscription to the "mod.nanog" list. You would of
> course have to forward "mod.nanog" articles back to the real NANOG list so
> that those who want to see *everything* can do so.

Ack. I second this. This is starting to look like cypherpunks: a large
number of kooks, lots of politics and back-stabbing, and little
information. No need to vote for a moderator, that will just create more
traffic. If you think you have what it takes, set the list up and announce
it.

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
http://underground.org/
KeyID 1024/948FD6B5
Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61 8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01

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The signal to noise ratio on this list has been abominable for a long
time and I'm tired of deleting all the useless drivel. I'm jumping
ship with the rest. Goodbye....

--joe


Mike Leber wrote:
>
> On Fri, 30 May 1997 bmanning@ISI.EDU wrote:
> > -IF-
> > there is a kind person who would be willing to
> > forward me material relevent to network operations
> > I'd appreciate it.
> > Voting w/ his unsubscribe key....
>
> Just bloody great. You and Paul are about to leave because of Jim,
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John,

I would propose that folks use mail filters such as procmail. Its much
cheeper and there is no overhead. If this list was moderated, and merrit
has said that it would not be, how could we trust our moderator? If
geo.net moderated the list I bet we would never see a bad word about you
guys ;-)

Lost of folks believe in open discussions. Just be conservative in what
you send and liberal in what you recieve.

-Rick


On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, John A. Russo - GeoNet Communications wrote:

> I receommend a moderated list. However, being the capitalist that I am, I would
> be willing to pay for my subscription and those of our employees.
>
> It is my belief that this would help solve three problems. Since I value the
> content and utility of this list if it were focused on its intended purpose, I
> I receommend a moderated list. However, being the capitalist that I am, I would
> be willing to pay for my subscription and those of our employees.
>
> It is my belief that this would help solve three problems. Since I value the
> content and utility of this list if it were focused on its intended purpose, I
> might be willing to pay quite a lot.
>
> If the price were set properly, it would help seperate out the group that places
> value on belonging to this list and those that don't.
>
> Secondly, the proceeds could be used to pay a moderator. I think this is
> important, since it does take time to perform the function and it is unfair
> to expect someone with a brain to do it for free. This presumably would result
> in better quality as well.
>
> Finally, any excess proceeds could be used to defray the cost of hosting NANOG
> meetings.
>
> I know that the NANOG organizers are already quite busy. I would volunteer
> to initiate this program under the auspices of NANOG.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John Russo
> GeoNet
>
> >
> > The signal to noise ratio on this list has been abominable for a long
> > time and I'm tired of deleting all the useless drivel. I'm jumping
> > ship with the rest. Goodbye....
> >
> > --joe
> >
> >
> > Mike Leber wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 May 1997 bmanning@ISI.EDU wrote:
> > > > -IF-
> > > > there is a kind person who would be willing to
> > > > forward me material relevent to network operations
> > > > I'd appreciate it.
> > > > Voting w/ his unsubscribe key....
> > >
> > > Just bloody great. You and Paul are about to leave because of Jim,
> >
>

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Rick H. Wesson Internet Business Services
rick@ar.com

I receommend a moderated list. However, being the capitalist that I am, I would
be willing to pay for my subscription and those of our employees.

It is my belief that this would help solve three problems. Since I value the
content and utility of this list if it were focused on its intended purpose, I
I receommend a moderated list. However, being the capitalist that I am, I would
be willing to pay for my subscription and those of our employees.

It is my belief that this would help solve three problems. Since I value the
content and utility of this list if it were focused on its intended purpose, I
might be willing to pay quite a lot.

If the price were set properly, it would help seperate out the group that places
value on belonging to this list and those that don't.

Secondly, the proceeds could be used to pay a moderator. I think this is
important, since it does take time to perform the function and it is unfair
to expect someone with a brain to do it for free. This presumably would result
in better quality as well.

Finally, any excess proceeds could be used to defray the cost of hosting NANOG
meetings.

I know that the NANOG organizers are already quite busy. I would volunteer
to initiate this program under the auspices of NANOG.

Kind regards,

John Russo
GeoNet

>
> The signal to noise ratio on this list has been abominable for a long
> time and I'm tired of deleting all the useless drivel. I'm jumping
> ship with the rest. Goodbye....
>
> --joe
>
>
> Mike Leber wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 30 May 1997 bmanning@ISI.EDU wrote:
> > > -IF-
> > > there is a kind person who would be willing to
> > > forward me material relevent to network operations
> > > I'd appreciate it.
> > > Voting w/ his unsubscribe key....
> >
> > Just bloody great. You and Paul are about to leave because of Jim,
>

A note from the kook gallery...

Paying for entrance to this list would be a good idea....

On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, John A. Russo - GeoNet Communications wrote:

> I receommend a moderated list. However, being the capitalist that I am, I would
> be willing to pay for my subscription and those of our employees.
>
> It is my belief that this would help solve three problems. Since I value the
> content and utility of this list if it were focused on its intended purpose, I
> I receommend a moderated list. However, being the capitalist that I am, I would
> be willing to pay for my subscription and those of our employees.
>
> It is my belief that this would help solve three problems. Since I value the
> content and utility of this list if it were focused on its intended purpose, I
> might be willing to pay quite a lot.
>
> If the price were set properly, it would help seperate out the group that places
> value on belonging to this list and those that don't.
>
> Secondly, the proceeds could be used to pay a moderator. I think this is
> important, since it does take time to perform the function and it is unfair
> to expect someone with a brain to do it for free. This presumably would result
> in better quality as well.
>
> Finally, any excess proceeds could be used to defray the cost of hosting NANOG
> meetings.
>
> I know that the NANOG organizers are already quite busy. I would volunteer
> to initiate this program under the auspices of NANOG.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John Russo
> GeoNet
>
> >
> > The signal to noise ratio on this list has been abominable for a long
> > time and I'm tired of deleting all the useless drivel. I'm jumping
> > ship with the rest. Goodbye....
> >
> > --joe
> >
> >
> > Mike Leber wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 May 1997 bmanning@ISI.EDU wrote:
> > > > -IF-
> > > > there is a kind person who would be willing to
> > > > forward me material relevent to network operations
> > > > I'd appreciate it.
> > > > Voting w/ his unsubscribe key....
> > >
> > > Just bloody great. You and Paul are about to leave because of Jim,
> >
>
>

At 13:25 -0500 6/2/97, Marc Hurst wrote:
>A note from the kook gallery...
>
>Paying for entrance to this list would be a good idea....

well, there are certainly a lot of kooks out there with money - why
else would there be so many ISPs? :-/

dave