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On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 7:41?AM Lists <lists@the-pearsons.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I see a lot of discussion on here about version 34 and I’m wondering if it
> is ready for a non-developer to move to yet?
>
> What are the advantages of 34 over 33?
>
> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34? I’ve
> never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to be forced into
> using that just yet.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>

First off, v34 is not released so using it can cause issues for you.
Playing with it on a test machine is going pretty good for me and I have
not had any major failures that missed recording a show or something
disastrous like that.

Some of us are being test monkeys and trying to break it to find problems
particularly with the new Web App. I know you mentioned Mythweb. That has
been broken for some time for me. Editing rules,
particularly templates doesn't work for me. That and a lot of other things
work better for me on the new Web App introduced in v34. When you are bored
and want to play, spin up a VM with Ubuntu and ppa for v34 and see how you
can setup the backend without mythtv-setup. All done with the web app.

If you have a Networked tuner you can do all of this in a VM.

However, it's pre-release code so if you don't like breaking things and
fixing them, then stay on v33.

I'm a really old computer guy and If something computer-ish doesn't break
in the morning I have nothing to do until Happy Hour.

Jim A

On 2 Jul 2023, at 13:55, James Abernathy <jfabernathy@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 7:41?AM Lists <lists@the-pearsons.co.uk <mailto:lists@the-pearsons.co.uk> > wrote:
Hi all,

I see a lot of discussion on here about version 34 and I’m wondering if it is ready for a non-developer to move to yet?

What are the advantages of 34 over 33?

Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34? I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to be forced into using that just yet.

Regards,
Dave

First off, v34 is not released so using it can cause issues for you.  Playing with it on a test machine is going pretty good for me and I have not had any major failures that missed recording a show or something disastrous  like that.

Some of us are being test monkeys and trying to break it to find problems particularly with the new Web App.  I know you mentioned Mythweb.  That has been broken for some time for me.  Editing rules, particularly templates doesn't work for me.  That and a lot of other things work better for me on the new Web App introduced in v34. When you are bored and want to play, spin up a VM with Ubuntu and ppa for v34 and see how you can setup the backend without mythtv-setup. All done with the web app.

If you have a Networked tuner you can do all of this in a VM.  

However, it's pre-release code so if you don't like breaking things and fixing them, then stay on v33.

I'm a really old computer guy and If something computer-ish doesn't break in the morning I have nothing to do until Happy Hour.

Jim A



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Yes, maybe a VM is the way to go - I don’t have a network tuner, but I should be able to use a USB device with a VM, so I’ll have a play.

Thanks,
Dave

On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34? I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to be forced into using that just yet.

The web frontend was never completed.

There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the moment
it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and most of what
mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or suggestions, please
let me know.

Peter

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On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 13:16:28 +0000, you wrote:

>Yes, maybe a VM is the way to go - I don?t have a network tuner, but I should be able to use a USB device with a VM, so I?ll have a play.

Yes, USB tuners mapped through into a VM do work. If you have spare
tuners on another box (or locally), you can also run minisatip (or
TVHeadEnd) to turn them into SAT>IP networked tuners. MythTV can use
SAT>IP tuners now. They work well from a VM.
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On 02/07/2023 14:40, Peter Bennett wrote:
>
> On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
>> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34? I’ve
>> never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to be forced
>> into using that just yet.
>
> The web frontend was never completed.
>
> There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the moment
> it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and most of
> what mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or suggestions,
> please let me know.
>
> Peter
>
> _______________________________________________

The new web app is a great improvement over mythtv-setup and getting
there against mythweb.

My wish list mainly relates to the Upcoming Recordings Page :-

    It would be useful to be able to hover on a program name and access
the episode description and be able to click through to the recording rule.

    Offering  Schedule Override:
           Record this specific showing.
           Do not record this specific showing.

In general its a good alternative to mythweb using a desktop web browser.

On a tablet I have tried Chrome,Silk and Firefox. They all behave
slightly differently but struggle with limiting the white space on the
screen especially in portrait layout. On a desktop moving the left edge
of the window to make the window narrower shows the issue, the removal
of the left black bar is not quite right without effecting the date
field.  Also any reduction of vertical white space would be beneficial
to use on a small screen.

Many thanks for the excellent work.

John Baker


I note that the left hand side bar





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On 7/3/23 13:58, John wrote:
> On 02/07/2023 14:40, Peter Bennett wrote:
>>
>> On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
>>> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34?
>>> I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to be
>>> forced into using that just yet.
>>
>> The web frontend was never completed.
>>
>> There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the
>> moment it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and
>> most of what mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or
>> suggestions, please let me know.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> The new web app is a great improvement over mythtv-setup and getting
> there against mythweb.
>
> My wish list mainly relates to the Upcoming Recordings Page :-
>
>     It would be useful to be able to hover on a program name and
> access the episode description and be able to click through to the
> recording rule.
>
The pencil icon on each row opens the recording rule. Also, once the
recording rule is open, you can see the episode description. I can add
the episode description if you hover over the title or the subtitle.
> Offering  Schedule Override:
>            Record this specific showing.
>            Do not record this specific showing.
>
> In general its a good alternative to mythweb using a desktop web browser.
>
> On a tablet I have tried Chrome,Silk and Firefox. They all behave
> slightly differently but struggle with limiting the white space on the
> screen especially in portrait layout. On a desktop moving the left
> edge of the window to make the window narrower shows the issue, the
> removal of the left black bar is not quite right without effecting the
> date field.  Also any reduction of vertical white space would be
> beneficial to use on a small screen.
>
> Many thanks for the excellent work.
>
> John Baker
>
>
I will take a look at your suggestions. Currently I am working on adding
the ability to create Power Search, Title Search, Manual Recordings, etc.

Peter

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On 7/5/23 12:22, Peter Bennett wrote:
>
> On 7/3/23 13:58, John wrote:
>> On 02/07/2023 14:40, Peter Bennett wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
>>>> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34?
>>>> I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to be
>>>> forced into using that just yet.
>>>
>>> The web frontend was never completed.
>>>
>>> There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the
>>> moment it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and
>>> most of what mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or
>>> suggestions, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> The new web app is a great improvement over mythtv-setup and getting
>> there against mythweb.
>>
>> My wish list mainly relates to the Upcoming Recordings Page :-
>>
>>     It would be useful to be able to hover on a program name and
>> access the episode description and be able to click through to the
>> recording rule.
>>
> The pencil icon on each row opens the recording rule. Also, once the
> recording rule is open, you can see the episode description. I can add
> the episode description if you hover over the title or the subtitle.
>> Offering  Schedule Override:
>>            Record this specific showing.
>>            Do not record this specific showing.
>>
>> In general its a good alternative to mythweb using a desktop web
>> browser.
>>
>> On a tablet I have tried Chrome,Silk and Firefox. They all behave
>> slightly differently but struggle with limiting the white space on
>> the screen especially in portrait layout. On a desktop moving the
>> left edge of the window to make the window narrower shows the issue,
>> the removal of the left black bar is not quite right without
>> effecting the date field.  Also any reduction of vertical white space
>> would be beneficial to use on a small screen.
>>
>> Many thanks for the excellent work.
>>
>> John Baker
>>
>>
> I will take a look at your suggestions. Currently I am working on
> adding the ability to create Power Search, Title Search, Manual
> Recordings, etc.
>
> Peter
>
I have added schedule override and description if you hover over subtitle.

Peter

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On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:52?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 7/5/23 12:22, Peter Bennett wrote:
> >
> > On 7/3/23 13:58, John wrote:
> >> On 02/07/2023 14:40, Peter Bennett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
> >>>> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34?
> >>>> I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to be
> >>>> forced into using that just yet.
> >>>
> >>> The web frontend was never completed.
> >>>
> >>> There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the
> >>> moment it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and
> >>> most of what mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or
> >>> suggestions, please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> The new web app is a great improvement over mythtv-setup and getting
> >> there against mythweb.
> >>
> >> My wish list mainly relates to the Upcoming Recordings Page :-
> >>
> >> It would be useful to be able to hover on a program name and
> >> access the episode description and be able to click through to the
> >> recording rule.
> >>
> > The pencil icon on each row opens the recording rule. Also, once the
> > recording rule is open, you can see the episode description. I can add
> > the episode description if you hover over the title or the subtitle.
> >> Offering Schedule Override:
> >> Record this specific showing.
> >> Do not record this specific showing.
> >>
> >> In general its a good alternative to mythweb using a desktop web
> >> browser.
> >>
> >> On a tablet I have tried Chrome,Silk and Firefox. They all behave
> >> slightly differently but struggle with limiting the white space on
> >> the screen especially in portrait layout. On a desktop moving the
> >> left edge of the window to make the window narrower shows the issue,
> >> the removal of the left black bar is not quite right without
> >> effecting the date field. Also any reduction of vertical white space
> >> would be beneficial to use on a small screen.
> >>
> >> Many thanks for the excellent work.
> >>
> >> John Baker
> >>
> >>
> > I will take a look at your suggestions. Currently I am working on
> > adding the ability to create Power Search, Title Search, Manual
> > Recordings, etc.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> I have added schedule override and description if you hover over subtitle.
>
> Peter
>

I found a small issue while testing creating Power Search record rules. It
was Not related to the new Power Search. I found that I had a Record rule
that had been created to record all, but had no other information selected,
so it was basically a NO-OP. I tried to delete this via Web app but could
not. I could change it to Do not Record, but could not save. It was greyed
out. I went into Mythfrontend and could mark it Do not record and could
save it. So it's gone now.

Jim A

On 08/07/2023 14:51, Peter Bennett wrote:
>
> On 7/5/23 12:22, Peter Bennett wrote:
>>
>> On 7/3/23 13:58, John wrote:
>>> On 02/07/2023 14:40, Peter Bennett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
>>>>> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34?
>>>>> I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to
>>>>> be forced into using that just yet.
>>>>
>>>> The web frontend was never completed.
>>>>
>>>> There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the
>>>> moment it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and
>>>> most of what mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or
>>>> suggestions, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> The new web app is a great improvement over mythtv-setup and getting
>>> there against mythweb.
>>>
>>> My wish list mainly relates to the Upcoming Recordings Page :-
>>>
>>>     It would be useful to be able to hover on a program name and
>>> access the episode description and be able to click through to the
>>> recording rule.
>>>
>> The pencil icon on each row opens the recording rule. Also, once the
>> recording rule is open, you can see the episode description. I can
>> add the episode description if you hover over the title or the subtitle.
>>> Offering  Schedule Override:
>>>            Record this specific showing.
>>>            Do not record this specific showing.
>>>
>>> In general its a good alternative to mythweb using a desktop web
>>> browser.
>>>
>>> On a tablet I have tried Chrome,Silk and Firefox. They all behave
>>> slightly differently but struggle with limiting the white space on
>>> the screen especially in portrait layout. On a desktop moving the
>>> left edge of the window to make the window narrower shows the issue,
>>> the removal of the left black bar is not quite right without
>>> effecting the date field.  Also any reduction of vertical white
>>> space would be beneficial to use on a small screen.
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the excellent work.
>>>
>>> John Baker
>>>
>>>
>> I will take a look at your suggestions. Currently I am working on
>> adding the ability to create Power Search, Title Search, Manual
>> Recordings, etc.
>>
>> Peter
>>
> I have added schedule override and description if you hover over
> subtitle.
>
> Peter
>
Thanks works great

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On 7/8/23 10:16, James Abernathy wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:52?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/5/23 12:22, Peter Bennett wrote:
> >
> > On 7/3/23 13:58, John wrote:
> >> On 02/07/2023 14:40, Peter Bennett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
> >>>> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34?
> >>>> I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want
> to be
> >>>> forced into using that just yet.
> >>>
> >>> The web frontend was never completed.
> >>>
> >>> There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the
> >>> moment it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and
> >>> most of what mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or
> >>> suggestions, please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> The new web app is a great improvement over mythtv-setup and
> getting
> >> there against mythweb.
> >>
> >> My wish list mainly relates to the Upcoming Recordings Page :-
> >>
> >>     It would be useful to be able to hover on a program name and
> >> access the episode description and be able to click through to the
> >> recording rule.
> >>
> > The pencil icon on each row opens the recording rule. Also, once
> the
> > recording rule is open, you can see the episode description. I
> can add
> > the episode description if you hover over the title or the subtitle.
> >> Offering  Schedule Override:
> >>            Record this specific showing.
> >>            Do not record this specific showing.
> >>
> >> In general its a good alternative to mythweb using a desktop web
> >> browser.
> >>
> >> On a tablet I have tried Chrome,Silk and Firefox. They all behave
> >> slightly differently but struggle with limiting the white space on
> >> the screen especially in portrait layout. On a desktop moving the
> >> left edge of the window to make the window narrower shows the
> issue,
> >> the removal of the left black bar is not quite right without
> >> effecting the date field.  Also any reduction of vertical white
> space
> >> would be beneficial to use on a small screen.
> >>
> >> Many thanks for the excellent work.
> >>
> >> John Baker
> >>
> >>
> > I will take a look at your suggestions. Currently I am working on
> > adding the ability to create Power Search, Title Search, Manual
> > Recordings, etc.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> I have added schedule override and description if you hover over
> subtitle.
>
> Peter
>
>
> I found a small issue while testing creating Power Search record
> rules.  It was Not related to the new Power Search. I found that I had
> a Record rule that had been created to record all, but had no other
> information selected, so it was basically a NO-OP.  I tried to delete
> this via Web app but could not.  I could change it to Do not Record,
> but could not save. It was greyed out.  I went into Mythfrontend and
> could mark it Do not record and could save it.  So it's gone now.
>
> Jim A

Good catch! I believe the problem is that the web app disables the save
button if the title is not entered. I suspect the title was blank. You
may have been able to delete it by typing something into the title and
selecting Do Not Record.

Was it created with mythfrontend?

I will take a look at it. I also plan to add a delete icon to the record
rules list so that you can delete any rule without having to edit it and
then select Do Not Record.

FYI - I just added override support and display of description when
hovering over subtitle.

Peter

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 11:34 AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 7/8/23 10:16, James Abernathy wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:52?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 7/5/23 12:22, Peter Bennett wrote:
>> >
>> > On 7/3/23 13:58, John wrote:
>> >> On 02/07/2023 14:40, Peter Bennett wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
>> >>>> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34?
>> >>>> I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want to be
>> >>>> forced into using that just yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> The web frontend was never completed.
>> >>>
>> >>> There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the
>> >>> moment it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and
>> >>> most of what mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or
>> >>> suggestions, please let me know.
>> >>>
>> >>> Peter
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> The new web app is a great improvement over mythtv-setup and getting
>> >> there against mythweb.
>> >>
>> >> My wish list mainly relates to the Upcoming Recordings Page :-
>> >>
>> >> It would be useful to be able to hover on a program name and
>> >> access the episode description and be able to click through to the
>> >> recording rule.
>> >>
>> > The pencil icon on each row opens the recording rule. Also, once the
>> > recording rule is open, you can see the episode description. I can add
>> > the episode description if you hover over the title or the subtitle.
>> >> Offering Schedule Override:
>> >> Record this specific showing.
>> >> Do not record this specific showing.
>> >>
>> >> In general its a good alternative to mythweb using a desktop web
>> >> browser.
>> >>
>> >> On a tablet I have tried Chrome,Silk and Firefox. They all behave
>> >> slightly differently but struggle with limiting the white space on
>> >> the screen especially in portrait layout. On a desktop moving the
>> >> left edge of the window to make the window narrower shows the issue,
>> >> the removal of the left black bar is not quite right without
>> >> effecting the date field. Also any reduction of vertical white space
>> >> would be beneficial to use on a small screen.
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks for the excellent work.
>> >>
>> >> John Baker
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I will take a look at your suggestions. Currently I am working on
>> > adding the ability to create Power Search, Title Search, Manual
>> > Recordings, etc.
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
>> I have added schedule override and description if you hover over subtitle.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>
> I found a small issue while testing creating Power Search record rules.
> It was Not related to the new Power Search. I found that I had a Record
> rule that had been created to record all, but had no other information
> selected, so it was basically a NO-OP. I tried to delete this via Web app
> but could not. I could change it to Do not Record, but could not save. It
> was greyed out. I went into Mythfrontend and could mark it Do not record
> and could save it. So it's gone now.
>
> Jim A
>
>
> Good catch! I believe the problem is that the web app disables the save
> button if the title is not entered. I suspect the title was blank. You may
> have been able to delete it by typing something into the title and
> selecting Do Not Record.
>
> Was it created with mythfrontend?
>
> I will take a look at it. I also plan to add a delete icon to the record
> rules list so that you can delete any rule without having to edit it and
> then select Do Not Record.
>
> FYI - I just added override support and display of description when
> hovering over subtitle.
>
> Peter
>
I think I accidentally created the blank rule in Web app. The system under
test was a RPI4. I was trying to do everything in Web app as a test. I'll
try to replicate the issue using both methods. (When it's 100 degrees
outside. What else am I going to do)

Jim A

v34-Pre-380-gf520651872

web app changes to improve interface for small screens, e.g. phones

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fbbbcd9b6c17809e57de13b193ab10b4db92174b

Done some testing on my development system and the web app does seem
ready for prime time.

I will put it on my production system tonight to see if any issues pop up.

Under very minor issues

Recordings page

    would it be possible to pre populate the Rec Grp: filter with
"Default" or provide a pick list rather than free text.

Use-ability  on a tablet is now much improved.

I had an anomaly for the first ten minutes or so where the program guide
was shown in GMT or Zulu time. I cannot repeat the issue though and
presume it was a system issue.

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On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 5:58?AM John <jksjdevelop@gmail.com> wrote:

> v34-Pre-380-gf520651872
>
> web app changes to improve interface for small screens, e.g. phones
>
>
> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fbbbcd9b6c17809e57de13b193ab10b4db92174b
>
> Done some testing on my development system and the web app does seem
> ready for prime time.
>
> I will put it on my production system tonight to see if any issues pop up.
>
> Under very minor issues
>
> Recordings page
>
> would it be possible to pre populate the Rec Grp: filter with
> "Default" or provide a pick list rather than free text.
>
> Use-ability on a tablet is now much improved.
>
> I had an anomaly for the first ten minutes or so where the program guide
> was shown in GMT or Zulu time. I cannot repeat the issue though and
> presume it was a system issue.
>
>
I agree with you on the improvements. The Web app now works great on my
phone. When traveling I used to have to VPN back into my home network to
run Mythweb and really zoom in to update a recording I wanted to get but
wouldn't be home in time to add it to mythtv. Doing this on a Galaxy Flip
4 smartphone was a breeze with the latest commit overnight. Sliding the
web page around to see what is off screen works well for the guide and
recordings pages. When you turn the phone 90 degrees, it works even
better. I like the button (arrow) at the top to hide the title bar.

Jim A

I haven’t tried/upgraded yet (as per rule, don’t fix an unbroken MythTV setup). It sounds like the web interface has most of the mythweb features. But I do want to make sure the direct download feature is there - this was a great little feature, especially if you converted your file/program to an .mp4 that you could save/archive a program.
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On 7/12/23 08:39, Kris B. wrote:
> I haven’t tried/upgraded yet (as per rule, don’t fix an unbroken MythTV setup). It sounds like the web interface has most of the mythweb features. But I do want to make sure the direct download feature is there - this was a great little feature, especially if you converted your file/program to an .mp4 that you could save/archive a program.
> _______________________________________________

Are you looking for a way to download the recordings or videos? I have
not included that yet, but it would be very easy. I did not know if
anybody used it or needed it.

I was thinking about how to play the video from the web app.

If I include a link to the file for download, you can play the recording
or video without downloading by pasting that link into VLC or running
VLC with that as a command line parameter. Unfortunately I could not
find a way to launch VLC from the web app.

Peter

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On 7/8/23 10:16, James Abernathy wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 9:52?AM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/5/23 12:22, Peter Bennett wrote:
> >
> > On 7/3/23 13:58, John wrote:
> >> On 02/07/2023 14:40, Peter Bennett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 7/2/23 07:39, Lists wrote:
> >>>> Is mythweb, that I know and love, still fully functional in v34?
> >>>> I’ve never had much success with webfrontend, so I don’t want
> to be
> >>>> forced into using that just yet.
> >>>
> >>> The web frontend was never completed.
> >>>
> >>> There is a new web app in V34, nothing like the old one. At the
> >>> moment it is accessed on port 6744. It supports all of setup, and
> >>> most of what mythweb does. If there are any problems with it, or
> >>> suggestions, please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> The new web app is a great improvement over mythtv-setup and
> getting
> >> there against mythweb.
> >>
> >> My wish list mainly relates to the Upcoming Recordings Page :-
> >>
> >>     It would be useful to be able to hover on a program name and
> >> access the episode description and be able to click through to the
> >> recording rule.
> >>
> > The pencil icon on each row opens the recording rule. Also, once
> the
> > recording rule is open, you can see the episode description. I
> can add
> > the episode description if you hover over the title or the subtitle.
> >> Offering  Schedule Override:
> >>            Record this specific showing.
> >>            Do not record this specific showing.
> >>
> >> In general its a good alternative to mythweb using a desktop web
> >> browser.
> >>
> >> On a tablet I have tried Chrome,Silk and Firefox. They all behave
> >> slightly differently but struggle with limiting the white space on
> >> the screen especially in portrait layout. On a desktop moving the
> >> left edge of the window to make the window narrower shows the
> issue,
> >> the removal of the left black bar is not quite right without
> >> effecting the date field.  Also any reduction of vertical white
> space
> >> would be beneficial to use on a small screen.
> >>
> >> Many thanks for the excellent work.
> >>
> >> John Baker
> >>
> >>
> > I will take a look at your suggestions. Currently I am working on
> > adding the ability to create Power Search, Title Search, Manual
> > Recordings, etc.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> I have added schedule override and description if you hover over
> subtitle.
>
> Peter
>
>
> I found a small issue while testing creating Power Search record
> rules.  It was Not related to the new Power Search. I found that I had
> a Record rule that had been created to record all, but had no other
> information selected, so it was basically a NO-OP.  I tried to delete
> this via Web app but could not.  I could change it to Do not Record,
> but could not save. It was greyed out.  I went into Mythfrontend and
> could mark it Do not record and could save it.  So it's gone now.
>
> Jim A
>
If you have this problem now you should be able to delete it with the
trashcan icon in the recording rules.

Peter

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 3:22?PM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 7/12/23 08:39, Kris B. wrote:
> > I haven’t tried/upgraded yet (as per rule, don’t fix an unbroken MythTV
> setup). It sounds like the web interface has most of the mythweb features.
> But I do want to make sure the direct download feature is there - this was
> a great little feature, especially if you converted your file/program to an
> .mp4 that you could save/archive a program.
> > _______________________________________________
>
> Are you looking for a way to download the recordings or videos? I have
> not included that yet, but it would be very easy. I did not know if
> anybody used it or needed it.
>
> I was thinking about how to play the video from the web app.
>
> If I include a link to the file for download, you can play the recording
> or video without downloading by pasting that link into VLC or running
> VLC with that as a command line parameter. Unfortunately I could not
> find a way to launch VLC from the web app.
>
> Peter
>
>
>> Unfortunately I could not find a way to launch VLC from the web app.

Do you mean to launch vlc from the browser instead of the webapp ?
IMHO, this is now handled by browser plugins.

Roland

On 7/12/23 11:04, Roland Ernst wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 3:22?PM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/12/23 08:39, Kris B. wrote:
> > I haven’t tried/upgraded yet (as per rule, don’t fix an unbroken
> MythTV setup).  It sounds like the web interface has most of the
> mythweb features. But I do want to make sure the direct download
> feature is there - this was a great little feature, especially if
> you converted your file/program to an .mp4 that you could
> save/archive a program.
> > _______________________________________________
>
> Are you looking for a way to download the recordings or videos? I
> have
> not included that yet, but it would be very easy. I did not know if
> anybody used it or needed it.
>
> I was thinking about how to play the video from the web app.
>
> If I include a link to the file for download, you can play the
> recording
> or video without downloading by pasting that link into VLC or running
> VLC with that as a command line parameter. Unfortunately I could not
> find a way to launch VLC from the web app.
>
> Peter
>
>
> >>  Unfortunately I could not find a way to launch VLC from the web app.
>
> Do you mean to launch vlc from the browser instead of the webapp ?
> IMHO, this is now handled by browser plugins.
>
> Roland
>
Yes - meant from the browser.

I looked at the VLC launch plugins and they are not much help. I added a
link to a video file on a page to test and the plugins ignore it. I
don't know how to get them to launch VLC with the URL of a video file
that appears on the page.

Peter

On 12/07/2023 16:28, Peter Bennett wrote:

>
> On 7/12/23 11:04, Roland Ernst wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 3:22?PM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 7/12/23 08:39, Kris B. wrote:
>> > I haven’t tried/upgraded yet (as per rule, don’t fix an
>> unbroken MythTV setup).  It sounds like the web interface has
>> most of the mythweb features. But I do want to make sure the
>> direct download feature is there - this was a great little
>> feature, especially if you converted your file/program to an .mp4
>> that you could save/archive a program.
>> > _______________________________________________
>>
>> Are you looking for a way to download the recordings or videos? I
>> have
>> not included that yet, but it would be very easy. I did not know if
>> anybody used it or needed it.
>>
>> I was thinking about how to play the video from the web app.
>>
>> If I include a link to the file for download, you can play the
>> recording
>> or video without downloading by pasting that link into VLC or
>> running
>> VLC with that as a command line parameter. Unfortunately I could not
>> find a way to launch VLC from the web app.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> >>  Unfortunately I could not find a way to launch VLC from the web app.
>>
>> Do you mean to launch vlc from the browser instead of the webapp ?
>> IMHO, this is now handled by browser plugins.
>>
>> Roland
>>
> Yes - meant from the browser.
>
> I looked at the VLC launch plugins and they are not much help. I added
> a link to a video file on a page to test and the plugins ignore it. I
> don't know how to get them to launch VLC with the URL of a video file
> that appears on the page.
>
> Peter
>
>

There used to be a browser plugin that would allow VLC to be embedded in
the browser window and play most files in the browser. One of my old
CCTV camera's used to use it for playback in a browser but when all the 
browsers removed support for the old plugin interface it stopped
working. I could be wrong but I don't think there is any way to play
many of the video formats we need in MythTV like the *.ts format used by
many tuners :(


I think it was Stuart M. who was working on getting DASH or HLS playback
working in the old WebFrontend but that requires the backend to
re-transcode stuff on the fly which is OK if you have a powerful backend
machine but not so good on a small power efficient BE that a lot of
users use theses days.


Paul H.

On 7/12/23 11:51, Paul Harrison wrote:
>
> On 12/07/2023 16:28, Peter Bennett wrote:
>
>>
>> On 7/12/23 11:04, Roland Ernst wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 3:22?PM Peter Bennett <pb.mythtv@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/12/23 08:39, Kris B. wrote:
>>> > I haven’t tried/upgraded yet (as per rule, don’t fix an
>>> unbroken MythTV setup).  It sounds like the web interface has
>>> most of the mythweb features. But I do want to make sure the
>>> direct download feature is there - this was a great little
>>> feature, especially if you converted your file/program to an
>>> .mp4 that you could save/archive a program.
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Are you looking for a way to download the recordings or videos?
>>> I have
>>> not included that yet, but it would be very easy. I did not know if
>>> anybody used it or needed it.
>>>
>>> I was thinking about how to play the video from the web app.
>>>
>>> If I include a link to the file for download, you can play the
>>> recording
>>> or video without downloading by pasting that link into VLC or
>>> running
>>> VLC with that as a command line parameter. Unfortunately I could
>>> not
>>> find a way to launch VLC from the web app.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> >>  Unfortunately I could not find a way to launch VLC from the web app.
>>>
>>> Do you mean to launch vlc from the browser instead of the webapp ?
>>> IMHO, this is now handled by browser plugins.
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>> Yes - meant from the browser.
>>
>> I looked at the VLC launch plugins and they are not much help. I
>> added a link to a video file on a page to test and the plugins ignore
>> it. I don't know how to get them to launch VLC with the URL of a
>> video file that appears on the page.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
> There used to be a browser plugin that would allow VLC to be embedded
> in the browser window and play most files in the browser. One of my
> old CCTV camera's used to use it for playback in a browser but when
> all the  browsers removed support for the old plugin interface it
> stopped working. I could be wrong but I don't think there is any way
> to play many of the video formats we need in MythTV like the *.ts
> format used by many tuners :(
>
>
> I think it was Stuart M. who was working on getting DASH or HLS
> playback working in the old WebFrontend but that requires the backend
> to re-transcode stuff on the fly which is OK if you have a powerful
> backend machine but not so good on a small power efficient BE that a
> lot of users use theses days.
>
I don't want to get involved with that. I did not convert those API
calls to V2. VLC can play the download URL without needing to download
the file, including a ts download URL.
>
> Paul H.
>
>
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On 12/07/2023 17:17, Peter Bennett wrote:

> On 7/12/23 11:51, Paul Harrison wrote:
>>
>> I think it was Stuart M. who was working on getting DASH or HLS
>> playback working in the old WebFrontend but that requires the backend
>> to re-transcode stuff on the fly which is OK if you have a powerful
>> backend machine but not so good on a small power efficient BE that a
>> lot of users use theses days.
>>
> I don't want to get involved with that. I did not convert those API
> calls to V2. VLC can play the download URL without needing to download
> the file, including a ts download URL.
>

I can understand that. To be fair whoever was working on it never got it
to work very well so it's not an easy task. It is IMHO the right way to
go though :)


I'm no security expert but allowing a browser to run an executable on a
users machine just by viewing a web page sounds like a security
nightmare to me?


Paul H.

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 18:03:43 +0100, you wrote:

>On 12/07/2023 17:17, Peter Bennett wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/23 11:51, Paul Harrison wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it was Stuart M. who was working on getting DASH or HLS
>>> playback working in the old WebFrontend but that requires the backend
>>> to re-transcode stuff on the fly which is OK if you have a powerful
>>> backend machine but not so good on a small power efficient BE that a
>>> lot of users use theses days.
>>>
>> I don't want to get involved with that. I did not convert those API
>> calls to V2. VLC can play the download URL without needing to download
>> the file, including a ts download URL.
>>
>
>I can understand that. To be fair whoever was working on it never got it
>to work very well so it's not an easy task. It is IMHO the right way to
>go though :)
>
>
>I'm no security expert but allowing a browser to run an executable on a
>users machine just by viewing a web page sounds like a security
>nightmare to me?

Not really. It is not running a program selected by the web site or a
program downloaded from the web site, but instead is running a program
designated by the system or the browser to be what is run for a
particular type of file. It is the same mechanism that allows you to
click on an email address on a web page and get your email program to
pick that up and create an email to send to that address. Or to view
a PDF in Adobe if your particular browser does not have builtin PDF
viewer support.
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On 12/07/2023 18:35, Stephen Worthington wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 18:03:43 +0100, you wrote:
>
>> On 12/07/2023 17:17, Peter Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/12/23 11:51, Paul Harrison wrote:
>>>> I think it was Stuart M. who was working on getting DASH or HLS
>>>> playback working in the old WebFrontend but that requires the backend
>>>> to re-transcode stuff on the fly which is OK if you have a powerful
>>>> backend machine but not so good on a small power efficient BE that a
>>>> lot of users use theses days.
>>>>
>>> I don't want to get involved with that. I did not convert those API
>>> calls to V2. VLC can play the download URL without needing to download
>>> the file, including a ts download URL.
>>>
>> I can understand that. To be fair whoever was working on it never got it
>> to work very well so it's not an easy task. It is IMHO the right way to
>> go though :)
>>
>>
>> I'm no security expert but allowing a browser to run an executable on a
>> users machine just by viewing a web page sounds like a security
>> nightmare to me?
> Not really. It is not running a program selected by the web site or a
> program downloaded from the web site, but instead is running a program
> designated by the system or the browser to be what is run for a
> particular type of file. It is the same mechanism that allows you to
> click on an email address on a web page and get your email program to
> pick that up and create an email to send to that address. Or to view
> a PDF in Adobe if your particular browser does not have builtin PDF
> viewer support.


Yes users can always configure programs to use for example when a
particular file type is downloaded but that is down to the individual
user to configure. I'm not sure if that is what Peter was suggesting
though he seemed to be talking about using a browser addon to run vlc?


Paul H.

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-----Original message-----
From: James Abernathy <jfabernathy@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday 12th July 2023 12:38
To: Discussion about MythTV <mythtv-users@mythtv.org>
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Is v34 ready for prime time?



On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 5:58?AM John <jksjdevelop@gmail.com <mailto:jksjdevelop@gmail.com> > wrote:
v34-Pre-380-gf520651872

web app changes to improve interface for small screens, e.g. phones

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fbbbcd9b6c17809e57de13b193ab10b4db92174b

Done some testing on my development system and the web app does seem
ready for prime time.

I will put it on my production system tonight to see if any issues pop up.

Under very minor issues

Recordings page

     would it be possible to pre populate the Rec Grp: filter with
"Default" or provide a pick list rather than free text.

Use-ability  on a tablet is now much improved.

I had an anomaly for the first ten minutes or so where the program guide
was shown in GMT or Zulu time. I cannot repeat the issue though and
presume it was a system issue.


I agree with you on the improvements.  The Web app now works great on my phone.  When traveling I used to have to VPN back into my home network to run Mythweb and really zoom in to update a recording I wanted to get but wouldn't be home in time to add it to mythtv.  Doing this on a Galaxy Flip 4 smartphone was a breeze with the latest commit overnight.  Sliding the web page around to see what is off screen works well for the guide and recordings pages.  When you turn the phone 90 degrees, it works even better.  I like the button (arrow) at the top to hide the title bar.

Jim A
Hi All,



I was the original poster of this message and I have been playing with a test setup with a laptop and an HD PVR 2 device (hooded up to my STB via a splitter). I've been setting the test V34 system to record some of the same programs as my live system (without any channel change script) and it all seems to work very well.



The new web frontend looks good and mythweb is still there should I need it (or want a comfort blanket).



I'm going away for a week or so, but when I get back, I think I may well upgrade the live system to v34



I shall keep an eye on this thread for any gotchers, but there don;t seem to have been any found by anyone so far.



As always, thanks to all the devs for the great work that you do (and thanks to the people that test that work to help iron out the bugs/issues/usability).



Regards,

Dave.



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