Mailing List Archive: OT - switch graphics "cards"

OT - switch graphics "cards"

Jun 12, 2023, 8:38 AM

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I have a workstation we use for everything including mythfrontend. It had
been locking up completely maybe once a day. Back in the day you would
guess memory or graphic card. Well memtest86 said the memory was good and
the Nvidia Graphic card was 4-5 years old. Since this was a Ryzen AM4
socket B550M Pro4 system I looked for a compatible CPU upgrade that
included graphics. So I found one on Amazon that was on sale this week for
Father's Day. Ryzen 7 5700G 8-core, 16-thread unlocked with GFX. $168,

So I thought about it overnight and this morning at ~7am I ordered from
Amazon and since we're Prime members, they said it would be delivered
today.

So by 9:30 it was delivered, 2.5 hours after I ordered it. By 11am it was
installed and Nvidia removed. The Linux Mint 21.1 system booted right up
with no graphic drivers needed and we are right where we were without doing
much besides blowing all the dust out of the PC cabinet.

I can imagine how much hassle this would have been on Windows 11.

Jim A

Re: OT - switch graphics "cards" [ In reply to ]

stephen_agent at jsw

Jun 12, 2023, 9:16 AM

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 11:38:09 -0400, you wrote:

>I have a workstation we use for everything including mythfrontend. It had
>been locking up completely maybe once a day. Back in the day you would
>guess memory or graphic card. Well memtest86 said the memory was good and
>the Nvidia Graphic card was 4-5 years old. Since this was a Ryzen AM4
>socket B550M Pro4 system I looked for a compatible CPU upgrade that
>included graphics. So I found one on Amazon that was on sale this week for
>Father's Day. Ryzen 7 5700G 8-core, 16-thread unlocked with GFX. $168,
>
>So I thought about it overnight and this morning at ~7am I ordered from
>Amazon and since we're Prime members, they said it would be delivered
>today.
>
>So by 9:30 it was delivered, 2.5 hours after I ordered it. By 11am it was
>installed and Nvidia removed. The Linux Mint 21.1 system booted right up
>with no graphic drivers needed and we are right where we were without doing
>much besides blowing all the dust out of the PC cabinet.
>
>I can imagine how much hassle this would have been on Windows 11.
>
>Jim A

The first thing to try with lockups like that is actually to blow the
dust away. CPU over temperature shutdowns cause instant lockups just
like bad hardware does. So if you have not cleaned the PC, especially
the CPU fans and heatsink, then that is always the first thing to try.
Similarly with graphics cards fans and heatsinks, although I always
use fanless Nvidia cards for MythTV boxes to avoid that problem. The
fanless Nvidia cards I have had have never failed on me - they have
only been replaced when Nvidia stopped producing drivers for them.
Nvidia cards with fans have a long history of shorter lives due to the
fans getting dirty and slowing down or stopping. That typically
damages or kills the GPU, unlike modern CPUs which have a very
effective instant stop capability when they detect an overheat.
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Re: OT - switch graphics "cards" [ In reply to ]

jfabernathy at gmail

Jun 12, 2023, 10:08 AM

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On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 12:20 PM Stephen Worthington <stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz>
wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 11:38:09 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >I have a workstation we use for everything including mythfrontend. It had
> >been locking up completely maybe once a day. Back in the day you would
> >guess memory or graphic card. Well memtest86 said the memory was good and
> >the Nvidia Graphic card was 4-5 years old. Since this was a Ryzen AM4
> >socket B550M Pro4 system I looked for a compatible CPU upgrade that
> >included graphics. So I found one on Amazon that was on sale this week
> for
> >Father's Day. Ryzen 7 5700G 8-core, 16-thread unlocked with GFX. $168,
> >
> >So I thought about it overnight and this morning at ~7am I ordered from
> >Amazon and since we're Prime members, they said it would be delivered
> >today.
> >
> >So by 9:30 it was delivered, 2.5 hours after I ordered it. By 11am it was
> >installed and Nvidia removed. The Linux Mint 21.1 system booted right up
> >with no graphic drivers needed and we are right where we were without
> doing
> >much besides blowing all the dust out of the PC cabinet.
> >
> >I can imagine how much hassle this would have been on Windows 11.
> >
> >Jim A
>
> The first thing to try with lockups like that is actually to blow the
> dust away. CPU over temperature shutdowns cause instant lockups just
> like bad hardware does. So if you have not cleaned the PC, especially
> the CPU fans and heatsink, then that is always the first thing to try.
> Similarly with graphics cards fans and heatsinks, although I always
> use fanless Nvidia cards for MythTV boxes to avoid that problem. The
> fanless Nvidia cards I have had have never failed on me - they have
> only been replaced when Nvidia stopped producing drivers for them.
> Nvidia cards with fans have a long history of shorter lives due to the
> fans getting dirty and slowing down or stopping. That typically
> damages or kills the GPU, unlike modern CPUs which have a very
> effective instant stop capability when they detect an overheat.
> ___________________________
>

This is one of those Cooler Master chassis and CPU cooler systems. The
Nvidia card was fanless. We'll find out in a days what was the problem if
we get no more lockups. Mythfront looks great. Obviously the Nvidia or AMD
GPUs are over overkill for this. Ffmpeg and opengl is doing all the work on
the cores.

Jim A

Re: OT - switch graphics "cards" [ In reply to ]

stephen_agent at jsw

Jun 12, 2023, 10:19 AM

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:08:08 -0400, you wrote:

>On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 12:20 PM Stephen Worthington <stephen_agent@jsw.gen.nz>
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 11:38:09 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> >I have a workstation we use for everything including mythfrontend. It had
>> >been locking up completely maybe once a day. Back in the day you would
>> >guess memory or graphic card. Well memtest86 said the memory was good and
>> >the Nvidia Graphic card was 4-5 years old. Since this was a Ryzen AM4
>> >socket B550M Pro4 system I looked for a compatible CPU upgrade that
>> >included graphics. So I found one on Amazon that was on sale this week
>> for
>> >Father's Day. Ryzen 7 5700G 8-core, 16-thread unlocked with GFX. $168,
>> >
>> >So I thought about it overnight and this morning at ~7am I ordered from
>> >Amazon and since we're Prime members, they said it would be delivered
>> >today.
>> >
>> >So by 9:30 it was delivered, 2.5 hours after I ordered it. By 11am it was
>> >installed and Nvidia removed. The Linux Mint 21.1 system booted right up
>> >with no graphic drivers needed and we are right where we were without
>> doing
>> >much besides blowing all the dust out of the PC cabinet.
>> >
>> >I can imagine how much hassle this would have been on Windows 11.
>> >
>> >Jim A
>>
>> The first thing to try with lockups like that is actually to blow the
>> dust away. CPU over temperature shutdowns cause instant lockups just
>> like bad hardware does. So if you have not cleaned the PC, especially
>> the CPU fans and heatsink, then that is always the first thing to try.
>> Similarly with graphics cards fans and heatsinks, although I always
>> use fanless Nvidia cards for MythTV boxes to avoid that problem. The
>> fanless Nvidia cards I have had have never failed on me - they have
>> only been replaced when Nvidia stopped producing drivers for them.
>> Nvidia cards with fans have a long history of shorter lives due to the
>> fans getting dirty and slowing down or stopping. That typically
>> damages or kills the GPU, unlike modern CPUs which have a very
>> effective instant stop capability when they detect an overheat.
>> ___________________________
>>
>
>This is one of those Cooler Master chassis and CPU cooler systems. The
>Nvidia card was fanless. We'll find out in a days what was the problem if
>we get no more lockups. Mythfront looks great. Obviously the Nvidia or AMD
>GPUs are over overkill for this. Ffmpeg and opengl is doing all the work on
>the cores.
>
>Jim A

That would be why you had no reconfiguration to do - if ffmpeg and
opengl where doing all the work, you were not using the GPU
acceleration. I find that with Nvidia cards, the picture is a bit
better (especially when deinterlacing) when using the GPU hardware to
accelerate as much as possible, and that needs the Nvidia drivers with
VDPAU or NVDEC and the highest available deinterlace mode. Reportedly,
the same is true for AMD GPUs, but I have not ever used one of them.
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