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> On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:24 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was surprised to find a MythTV app in the Apple TV 4 app store. So, I thought I would give it a try for the $4 app cost.
>
> It worked quite well for me. It played my HD MPEG2 (US Broadcast) recordings quite well. It doesn’t do live TV, schedule recordings, or any other mythfrontend features.. it just plays recordings. But, that’s all I want from a frontend 95% of the time.
>
> The main thing I found lacking was the navigation. Right/Left arrows didn’t do the skip forward/back you would expect. You could only move in the video via the new remote’s touchpad control on the video timeline. That touchpad is probably great for a lot of things, but doing 30 second skips is not one of them.
>
> Overall, I thought it was a really solid first version. If the skip forward/back controls are added it could become my primary frontend.

What is the exact name? Can you provide a link?

Re playing un-transcoded recordings, is your AppleTV on a wired connection or wireless (which flavour)?

I don’t have a new Apple TV, but I understand that at least some players implement a 10 second skip forward/back by tapping on the right/left of the player bar. Have you tried that?

Thanks for the report!

Craig

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
wrote:

> > On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:24 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was surprised to find a MythTV app in the Apple TV 4 app store. So,
> I thought I would give it a try for the $4 app cost.
> >
> > It worked quite well for me. It played my HD MPEG2 (US Broadcast)
> recordings quite well. It doesn’t do live TV, schedule recordings, or any
> other mythfrontend features.. it just plays recordings. But, that’s all I
> want from a frontend 95% of the time.
> >
> > The main thing I found lacking was the navigation. Right/Left arrows
> didn’t do the skip forward/back you would expect. You could only move in
> the video via the new remote’s touchpad control on the video timeline.
> That touchpad is probably great for a lot of things, but doing 30 second
> skips is not one of them.
> >
> > Overall, I thought it was a really solid first version. If the skip
> forward/back controls are added it could become my primary frontend.
>
> What is the exact name? Can you provide a link?
>

The name is “MythTV”. I don’t think there are any web links to Apple TV
only apps - making them really hard to find. I also didn’t find any other
reference to the app on the web prior to launch. I guess the author is
not one for marketing. The only current way to find it is to search
within the app store on the Apple TV.


> Re playing un-transcoded recordings, is your AppleTV on a wired connection
> or wireless (which flavour)?
>

I’m on wireless, 5GHz N / AC. I’m guessing the new AppleTV is using AC.
My other frontends are on N-wireless, and all can do ATSC MPEG2 playback
just fine. Obviously, your mileage may vary depending on your house and
wifi location.


> I don’t have a new Apple TV, but I understand that at least some players
> implement a 10 second skip forward/back by tapping on the right/left of the
> player bar. Have you tried that?
>

I did try that. I also tried input from IR to see if my universal remote
could control it. Navigation worked fine, but skip ahead / back did not.

I later read the notes in the app listing (RTFM) and there it said slide up
on the touchpad is +30s, slide down is -8. That works pretty well, and is
much better than trying to navigate the timeline. But, I think the remote
goes into power savings mode pretty quickly, because it seems to miss the
first slide after long pauses.

When the remote is working, the skip ahead/back is pretty quick. Not as
quick as a native frontend, but nothing is. If it would react to IR
navigation in all four directions, like Mythfrontend, it would be a big
improvement.


> Thanks for the report!
>
> Craig
>
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> > On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:24 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I was surprised to find a MythTV app in the Apple TV 4 app store. So,
>> I thought I would give it a try for the $4 app cost.
>> >
>> > It worked quite well for me. It played my HD MPEG2 (US Broadcast)
>> recordings quite well. It doesn’t do live TV, schedule recordings, or any
>> other mythfrontend features.. it just plays recordings. But, that’s all I
>> want from a frontend 95% of the time.
>> >
>> > The main thing I found lacking was the navigation. Right/Left arrows
>> didn’t do the skip forward/back you would expect. You could only move in
>> the video via the new remote’s touchpad control on the video timeline.
>> That touchpad is probably great for a lot of things, but doing 30 second
>> skips is not one of them.
>> >
>> > Overall, I thought it was a really solid first version. If the skip
>> forward/back controls are added it could become my primary frontend.
>>
>> What is the exact name? Can you provide a link?
>>
>
> The name is “MythTV”. I don’t think there are any web links to Apple TV
> only apps - making them really hard to find. I also didn’t find any other
> reference to the app on the web prior to launch. I guess the author is
> not one for marketing. The only current way to find it is to search
> within the app store on the Apple TV.
>
>
>> Re playing un-transcoded recordings, is your AppleTV on a wired
>> connection or wireless (which flavour)?
>>
>
> I’m on wireless, 5GHz N / AC. I’m guessing the new AppleTV is using AC.
> My other frontends are on N-wireless, and all can do ATSC MPEG2 playback
> just fine. Obviously, your mileage may vary depending on your house and
> wifi location.
>
>
>> I don’t have a new Apple TV, but I understand that at least some players
>> implement a 10 second skip forward/back by tapping on the right/left of the
>> player bar. Have you tried that?
>>
>
> I did try that. I also tried input from IR to see if my universal remote
> could control it. Navigation worked fine, but skip ahead / back did not.
>
> I later read the notes in the app listing (RTFM) and there it said slide
> up on the touchpad is +30s, slide down is -8. That works pretty well, and
> is much better than trying to navigate the timeline. But, I think the
> remote goes into power savings mode pretty quickly, because it seems to
> miss the first slide after long pauses.
>
> When the remote is working, the skip ahead/back is pretty quick. Not as
> quick as a native frontend, but nothing is. If it would react to IR
> navigation in all four directions, like Mythfrontend, it would be a big
> improvement.
>
>
>> Thanks for the report!
>>
>> Craig
>>
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It is interesting to here that it will decode MPEG2. Are you sure that your
recordings are MPEG2? There is no mention of MPEG2 support in the specs for
the ATV4.

-Tom

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:24 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I was surprised to find a MythTV app in the Apple TV 4 app store.
>>> So, I thought I would give it a try for the $4 app cost.
>>> >
>>> > It worked quite well for me. It played my HD MPEG2 (US Broadcast)
>>> recordings quite well. It doesn’t do live TV, schedule recordings, or any
>>> other mythfrontend features.. it just plays recordings. But, that’s all I
>>> want from a frontend 95% of the time.
>>> >
>>> > The main thing I found lacking was the navigation. Right/Left arrows
>>> didn’t do the skip forward/back you would expect. You could only move in
>>> the video via the new remote’s touchpad control on the video timeline.
>>> That touchpad is probably great for a lot of things, but doing 30 second
>>> skips is not one of them.
>>> >
>>> > Overall, I thought it was a really solid first version. If the skip
>>> forward/back controls are added it could become my primary frontend.
>>>
>>> What is the exact name? Can you provide a link?
>>>
>>
>> The name is “MythTV”. I don’t think there are any web links to Apple TV
>> only apps - making them really hard to find. I also didn’t find any other
>> reference to the app on the web prior to launch. I guess the author is
>> not one for marketing. The only current way to find it is to search
>> within the app store on the Apple TV.
>>
>>
>>> Re playing un-transcoded recordings, is your AppleTV on a wired
>>> connection or wireless (which flavour)?
>>>
>>
>> I’m on wireless, 5GHz N / AC. I’m guessing the new AppleTV is using AC.
>> My other frontends are on N-wireless, and all can do ATSC MPEG2 playback
>> just fine. Obviously, your mileage may vary depending on your house and
>> wifi location.
>>
>>
>>> I don’t have a new Apple TV, but I understand that at least some players
>>> implement a 10 second skip forward/back by tapping on the right/left of the
>>> player bar. Have you tried that?
>>>
>>
>> I did try that. I also tried input from IR to see if my universal remote
>> could control it. Navigation worked fine, but skip ahead / back did not.
>>
>> I later read the notes in the app listing (RTFM) and there it said slide
>> up on the touchpad is +30s, slide down is -8. That works pretty well, and
>> is much better than trying to navigate the timeline. But, I think the
>> remote goes into power savings mode pretty quickly, because it seems to
>> miss the first slide after long pauses.
>>
>> When the remote is working, the skip ahead/back is pretty quick. Not as
>> quick as a native frontend, but nothing is. If it would react to IR
>> navigation in all four directions, like Mythfrontend, it would be a big
>> improvement.
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for the report!
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://lists.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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>>> MythTV Forums: https://forum.mythtv.org
>>>
>>
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>>
> It is interesting to here that it will decode MPEG2. Are you sure that
> your recordings are MPEG2? There is no mention of MPEG2 support in the
> specs for the ATV4.
>

:) Yes. Over the years I’ve been trying many frontend options, always
looking for one that can do MPEG2 because so few devices do MPEG2 and fewer
have a MythTV option. So, I’m quite familiar with the issue. My backend
is not powerful enough to transcode real-time-ish and my HDHomeRun Prime
can’t transcode. I’ve been on the hunt for a multi-function device capable
of MPEG2 playback for quite a while.

I am assuming that the AppleTV is doing software decoding, because none of
the Apple APIs I know of support MPEG2, including Mac OS X devices which
definitely do have the hardware support for it.

For my requirements, the new Apple TV comes closest to the device I’ve been
looking for. It can support the services I subscribe to (Netflix, HBO,
etc.), broad music/movie rental and purchase options, and now a MythTV
frontend. For those of us that use Apple devices and content, it makes
for an interesting option.


But, be aware that this app is quite barebones.. It does two things: 1)
Display your list of recordings in a vertical selection list and 2) Play
the selected recording. For my use, that’s enough and is better than
the various UPnP, Google TV, and other options I’ve tried in the past.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> I am assuming that the AppleTV is doing software decoding, because none of
> the Apple APIs I know of support MPEG2, including Mac OS X devices which
> definitely do have the hardware support for it.

Almost all the SoCs hardware support it if the device support H.264.
It is licensing and APIs that are missing. I believe (just as with no
Flash support) Apple thought that if they pointed the way, everyone
would go there. And while H.264/5 may be the place most will end
up at, with the FCC's version of ATSC requiring MPEG2 in the US,
it is going to be a slow path for OTA customers.

So if it is all software, that likely means that quality motion compensated
de-interlacing is not part of the package. As always, your display device
or your perception of the artifacts will vary (some people who can tell the
difference will choose to give up quality for price, as is their right).
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> On Nov 7, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com <mailto:tbjr@bongohut.com>> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com <mailto:thom.j.harris@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca <mailto:ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:24 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com <mailto:thom.j.harris@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I was surprised to find a MythTV app in the Apple TV 4 app store. So, I thought I would give it a try for the $4 app cost.
> >
> > It worked quite well for me. It played my HD MPEG2 (US Broadcast) recordings quite well. It doesn’t do live TV, schedule recordings, or any other mythfrontend features.. it just plays recordings. But, that’s all I want from a frontend 95% of the time.
> >
> > The main thing I found lacking was the navigation. Right/Left arrows didn’t do the skip forward/back you would expect. You could only move in the video via the new remote’s touchpad control on the video timeline. That touchpad is probably great for a lot of things, but doing 30 second skips is not one of them.
> >
> > Overall, I thought it was a really solid first version. If the skip forward/back controls are added it could become my primary frontend.
>
> What is the exact name? Can you provide a link?
>
> The name is “MythTV”. I don’t think there are any web links to Apple TV only apps - making them really hard to find. I also didn’t find any other reference to the app on the web prior to launch. I guess the author is not one for marketing. The only current way to find it is to search within the app store on the Apple TV.
>
> Re playing un-transcoded recordings, is your AppleTV on a wired connection or wireless (which flavour)?
>
> I’m on wireless, 5GHz N / AC. I’m guessing the new AppleTV is using AC. My other frontends are on N-wireless, and all can do ATSC MPEG2 playback just fine. Obviously, your mileage may vary depending on your house and wifi location.
>
> I don’t have a new Apple TV, but I understand that at least some players implement a 10 second skip forward/back by tapping on the right/left of the player bar. Have you tried that?
>
> I did try that. I also tried input from IR to see if my universal remote could control it. Navigation worked fine, but skip ahead / back did not.
>
> I later read the notes in the app listing (RTFM) and there it said slide up on the touchpad is +30s, slide down is -8. That works pretty well, and is much better than trying to navigate the timeline. But, I think the remote goes into power savings mode pretty quickly, because it seems to miss the first slide after long pauses.
>
> When the remote is working, the skip ahead/back is pretty quick. Not as quick as a native frontend, but nothing is. If it would react to IR navigation in all four directions, like Mythfrontend, it would be a big improvement.
>
>
> It is interesting to here that it will decode MPEG2. Are you sure that your recordings are MPEG2? There is no mention of MPEG2 support in the specs for the ATV4.
>
> :) Yes. Over the years I’ve been trying many frontend options, always looking for one that can do MPEG2 because so few devices do MPEG2 and fewer have a MythTV option. So, I’m quite familiar with the issue. My backend is not powerful enough to transcode real-time-ish and my HDHomeRun Prime can’t transcode. I’ve been on the hunt for a multi-function device capable of MPEG2 playback for quite a while.
>
> I am assuming that the AppleTV is doing software decoding, because none of the Apple APIs I know of support MPEG2, including Mac OS X devices which definitely do have the hardware support for it.
>
> For my requirements, the new Apple TV comes closest to the device I’ve been looking for. It can support the services I subscribe to (Netflix, HBO, etc.), broad music/movie rental and purchase options, and now a MythTV frontend. For those of us that use Apple devices and content, it makes for an interesting option.
>
>
> But, be aware that this app is quite barebones.. It does two things: 1) Display your list of recordings in a vertical selection list and 2) Play the selected recording. For my use, that’s enough and is better than the various UPnP, Google TV, and other options I’ve tried in the past.

As another data point on the AppleTV playing HD MPEG2, there is now a beta app for live TV (from HDHomerun tuners) called Channels.

http://getchannels.com

The web site doesn’t have much infornmation but the developer hangs out on the SiliconDust forum quite often. He is trying out different de-interlacing options and getting feedback from his beta group. Recently, he posted saying: "The A8 in the new apple tv is a beast and handles decoding full HD video without a sweat."

Craig

I wrote the MythTV app for tvOS (Apple TV 4). I'm glad you're enjoying it
and that you found the 30 second skip feature.

There should be an update later this week that brings folders as well as
the ability to fast forward (not just skip or "scrub"), as well as some
other improvements.

Send me a direct email if you would like to be added to the beta list for
early access to new versions.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> When the remote is working, the skip ahead/back is pretty quick. Not as
> quick as a native frontend, but nothing is. If it would react to IR
> navigation in all four directions, like Mythfrontend, it would be a big
> improvement.
>
>
Could you describe the behavior you would like to see? It's been years
since I've ran the official Mythfrontend.

--
bart

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
wrote:

> I wrote the MythTV app for tvOS (Apple TV 4). I'm glad you're enjoying it
> and that you found the 30 second skip feature.
>
> There should be an update later this week that brings folders as well as
> the ability to fast forward (not just skip or "scrub"), as well as some
> other improvements.
>
> Send me a direct email if you would like to be added to the beta list for
> early access to new versions.
>

I’ll do that, thanks.

>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> When the remote is working, the skip ahead/back is pretty quick. Not as
>> quick as a native frontend, but nothing is. If it would react to IR
>> navigation in all four directions, like Mythfrontend, it would be a big
>> improvement.
>>
>>
> Could you describe the behavior you would like to see? It's been years
> since I've ran the official Mythfrontend.
>

Basically, the left & right arrow IR events behave like your slide up/down
actions (right=+30s, left=-8s). IR Up=jump back Down=jump ahead. These
are long jumps, I believe the default is 10 minutes. These timings are all
configurable in mythfrontend.


>
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On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Basically, the left & right arrow IR events behave like your slide up/down
> actions (right=+30s, left=-8s). IR Up=jump back Down=jump ahead. These
> are long jumps, I believe the default is 10 minutes. These timings are all
> configurable in mythfrontend.
>
>
That's a good point... Although scrubbing with the trackpad might be
superior to a 10 minute jump, sometimes you might want to use the TV remote
(with arrow buttons) instead of the Apple TV remote. Especially since the
new AppleTV supports HDMI-CEC quite well.

Thanks for the feedback.

On Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 06:46:17PM +0000, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
> ....
> > I am assuming that the AppleTV is doing software decoding, because none of
> > the Apple APIs I know of support MPEG2, including Mac OS X devices which
> > definitely do have the hardware support for it.
>
> Almost all the SoCs hardware support it if the device support H.264.
> It is licensing and APIs that are missing. I believe (just as with no
> Flash support) Apple thought that if they pointed the way, everyone
> would go there. And while H.264/5 may be the place most will end
> up at, with the FCC's version of ATSC requiring MPEG2 in the US,
> it is going to be a slow path for OTA customers.

Except MPEG2 is a legacy format. There's a large amount of content out
there that has been created by end users in that format. Apple's apparent
hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:09 PM, jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
> ... Apple's apparent
> hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.

At (around) $2/unit shipped, that is real money.
Somewhere north of a billion dollars for all iDevices
sold (and even to Apple, a billion dollars matters).
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:09 PM, jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
> > ... Apple's apparent
> > hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.
>
> At (around) $2/unit shipped, that is real money.
> Somewhere north of a billion dollars for all iDevices
> sold (and even to Apple, a billion dollars matters).
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Not to mention that basically none of these low power streaming devices
have native support for MPEG2. This is certainly not unique to Apple.

MPEG2 should be long dead by now, but cable operator still utilize this
format. Fortunately, we are seeing signs of cable operators in the US
slowly transitioning to MPEG4, and potentially making this a moot point.

>
> Not to mention that basically none of these low power streaming devices
> have native support for MPEG2. This is certainly not unique to Apple.
>
> MPEG2 should be long dead by now, but cable operator still utilize this
> format. Fortunately, we are seeing signs of cable operators in the US
> slowly transitioning to MPEG4, and potentially making this a moot point.
>

Not really - remember large parts of the world are still broadcasting DVB
in MPEG2 format.

jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:

> Apple's apparent
> hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.

Really simple and short answer - they don't give a **** because that doesn't earn them anything !

Remember that Apple long since abandoned all but a pretence about it being about "the customer" - now it's clear that the whole strategy is about proprietary systems, customer locking, walled gardens, and taking a slice (30%) of everything the user spends.

Perhaps I'm just getting cynical, but I get the impression that any ability they offer to access "your own stuff" is incidental and only allowed grudgingly on the basis that they can't get away with not supporting it (yet).

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Phill Edwards <philledwards@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not to mention that basically none of these low power streaming devices
>> have native support for MPEG2. This is certainly not unique to Apple.
>>
>> MPEG2 should be long dead by now, but cable operator still utilize this
>> format. Fortunately, we are seeing signs of cable operators in the US
>> slowly transitioning to MPEG4, and potentially making this a moot point.
>>
>
> Not really - remember large parts of the world are still broadcasting DVB
> in MPEG2 format.
>
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I can't really speak for markets outside of the US. I will be more specific
next time.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Simon Hobson <linux@thehobsons.co.uk>
wrote:

> jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Apple's apparent
> > hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.
>
> Really simple and short answer - they don't give a **** because that
> doesn't earn them anything !
>
> Remember that Apple long since abandoned all but a pretence about it being
> about "the customer" - now it's clear that the whole strategy is about
> proprietary systems, customer locking, walled gardens, and taking a slice
> (30%) of everything the user spends.
>
> Perhaps I'm just getting cynical, but I get the impression that any
> ability they offer to access "your own stuff" is incidental and only
> allowed grudgingly on the basis that they can't get away with not
> supporting it (yet).
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You are correct, you are getting cynical. Again, none of the low power
streaming devices natively support MPEG2 for good reason. None of the
streaming services, that they were created to serve, stream in MPEG2. And
as Gary mentioned, there is a licensing fee associated with the format. We
are hoping to augment the functionality of the device.

Apple's walled garden is both a blessing and a curse for consumers. The
very good thing is that the ATV does not dominate the market and we have
many choices.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
wrote:

> The web site doesn’t have much infornmation but the developer hangs out on
> the SiliconDust forum quite often. He is trying out different
> de-interlacing options and getting feedback from his beta group. Recently,
> he posted saying: "The A8 in the new apple tv is a beast and handles
> decoding full HD video without a sweat."
>
>
CPU utilization is around 60% while playing HD MPEG2 on the new Apple TV.

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca <mailto:ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>> wrote:
> The web site doesn’t have much infornmation but the developer hangs out on the SiliconDust forum quite often. He is trying out different de-interlacing options and getting feedback from his beta group. Recently, he posted saying: "The A8 in the new apple tv is a beast and handles decoding full HD video without a sweat."
>
>
> CPU utilization is around 60% while playing HD MPEG2 on the new Apple TV.

1080i or 720p?

Which de-interlacer are you using? Do you offer de-interlacing options?

Does your client mark recordings played automatically? Is the current playback position saved on exit so one can resume where we left off? Just on your client or on Mythfrontend? Does your client offer commerical skipping? Playback at 1.1 or 1.2 times normal? None of these are deal-breakers, but they are nice features of the native frontend.

Just for interest, what protocol do you use to connect to the backend? The Services API? Did you previously do an iOS client or is this brand new?

Craig

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
....
> You are correct, you are getting cynical. Again, none of the low power
> streaming devices natively support MPEG2 for good reason.

Actually, with the unusual exceptions, all the SoC chips that have on-board
hardware H.264 decoding have hardware MPEG2 decoding on the chip.
Even the Apple chips (although I have heard no one confirm the A9 still has
the hardware decode for MPEG2, all previous gens were reported to do so).
The RPi has hardware MPEG2 decode (which requires a license to enable).
The Nexus Player always had the hardware capability, but ASUS/Google
did not license or support it until Marshmallow (The Nexus 7 2013 had MPEG2
decoding enabled with Lollipop as I recall). If one gets down to the SoC VPU
level, MPEG2 capability is commonly in there.

It is software and licensing that determines if the systems support the
hardware capabilities. It is true many low power streaming devices do
not support MPEG2. But it is not about capability, but ROI. Few people
will not purchase a Roku because it does not support MPEG2 (even though
the hardware can do so), so why invest in support of it? It is not what
most streaming devices are purchased for (which is Nefflix, and Amazon
video, and Apple itunes, and Google play, and HBO now, which all
use H.264).

To be (slightly) fair, it is also true that MPEG2 bandwidth requirements
means that few people on (true) mobile devices would have been able
to be satisfied with the experience. H.264 fits better.

This has lead to an entire cottage industry of transcoding solutions
for people with MPEG2 content (which includes those with a lot of
recorded TV, or ripped DVDs), but while everyone on this list may
wish for MPEG2 support, the total is still small, and companies look at
ROI. Commit (with a purchase order) to purchase a few hundred
million Rokus if they add MPEG2 support by the new year, and you
might find Roku will add it (well, they could not ship that many, but
they would talk).
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 09:54:42AM -0500, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Simon Hobson <linux@thehobsons.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Apple's apparent
> > > hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.
> >
> > Really simple and short answer - they don't give a **** because that
> > doesn't earn them anything !
> >
> > Remember that Apple long since abandoned all but a pretence about it being
> > about "the customer" - now it's clear that the whole strategy is about
> > proprietary systems, customer locking, walled gardens, and taking a slice
> > (30%) of everything the user spends.
> >
> > Perhaps I'm just getting cynical, but I get the impression that any
> > ability they offer to access "your own stuff" is incidental and only
> > allowed grudgingly on the basis that they can't get away with not
> > supporting it (yet).

[deletia]

>
> You are correct, you are getting cynical. Again, none of the low power
> streaming devices natively support MPEG2 for good reason. None of the
> streaming services, that they were created to serve, stream in MPEG2. And

That's a stupid reason. That ingores one of the original use cases
for home video, namely creating your own content. People already have
stuff. These aren't even terribly geeky people. They have it because
previous generations of devices used those old formats.

[deletia]
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On 10 Nov 2015, at 17:51, jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 09:54:42AM -0500, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Simon Hobson <linux@thehobsons.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apple's apparent
>>>> hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.
>>>
>>> Really simple and short answer - they don't give a **** because that
>>> doesn't earn them anything !
>>>
>>> Remember that Apple long since abandoned all but a pretence about it being
>>> about "the customer" - now it's clear that the whole strategy is about
>>> proprietary systems, customer locking, walled gardens, and taking a slice
>>> (30%) of everything the user spends.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I'm just getting cynical, but I get the impression that any
>>> ability they offer to access "your own stuff" is incidental and only
>>> allowed grudgingly on the basis that they can't get away with not
>>> supporting it (yet).
>
> [deletia]
>
>>
>> You are correct, you are getting cynical. Again, none of the low power
>> streaming devices natively support MPEG2 for good reason. None of the
>> streaming services, that they were created to serve, stream in MPEG2. And
>
> That's a stupid reason. That ingores one of the original use cases
> for home video, namely creating your own content. People already have
> stuff. These aren't even terribly geeky people. They have it because
> previous generations of devices used those old formats.
It’s not a stupid reason, you think it’s a stupid reason, that are different things.
>
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 09:54:42AM -0500, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Simon Hobson <linux@thehobsons.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Apple's apparent
> > > > hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.
> > >
> > > Really simple and short answer - they don't give a **** because that
> > > doesn't earn them anything !
> > >
> > > Remember that Apple long since abandoned all but a pretence about it
> being
> > > about "the customer" - now it's clear that the whole strategy is about
> > > proprietary systems, customer locking, walled gardens, and taking a
> slice
> > > (30%) of everything the user spends.
> > >
> > > Perhaps I'm just getting cynical, but I get the impression that any
> > > ability they offer to access "your own stuff" is incidental and only
> > > allowed grudgingly on the basis that they can't get away with not
> > > supporting it (yet).
>
> [deletia]
>
> >
> > You are correct, you are getting cynical. Again, none of the low power
> > streaming devices natively support MPEG2 for good reason. None of the
> > streaming services, that they were created to serve, stream in MPEG2. And
>
> That's a stupid reason. That ingores one of the original use cases
> for home video, namely creating your own content. People already have
> stuff. These aren't even terribly geeky people. They have it because
> previous generations of devices used those old formats.
>
> [deletia]
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Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
their own MPEG2 content?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com
> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
> ....
> > You are correct, you are getting cynical. Again, none of the low power
> > streaming devices natively support MPEG2 for good reason.
>
> Actually, with the unusual exceptions, all the SoC chips that have on-board
> hardware H.264 decoding have hardware MPEG2 decoding on the chip.
> Even the Apple chips (although I have heard no one confirm the A9 still has
> the hardware decode for MPEG2, all previous gens were reported to do so).
> The RPi has hardware MPEG2 decode (which requires a license to enable).
> The Nexus Player always had the hardware capability, but ASUS/Google
> did not license or support it until Marshmallow (The Nexus 7 2013 had MPEG2
> decoding enabled with Lollipop as I recall). If one gets down to the SoC
> VPU
> level, MPEG2 capability is commonly in there.
>
> It is software and licensing that determines if the systems support the
> hardware capabilities. It is true many low power streaming devices do
> not support MPEG2. But it is not about capability, but ROI. Few people
> will not purchase a Roku because it does not support MPEG2 (even though
> the hardware can do so), so why invest in support of it? It is not what
> most streaming devices are purchased for (which is Nefflix, and Amazon
> video, and Apple itunes, and Google play, and HBO now, which all
> use H.264).
>
> To be (slightly) fair, it is also true that MPEG2 bandwidth requirements
> means that few people on (true) mobile devices would have been able
> to be satisfied with the experience. H.264 fits better.
>
> This has lead to an entire cottage industry of transcoding solutions
> for people with MPEG2 content (which includes those with a lot of
> recorded TV, or ripped DVDs), but while everyone on this list may
> wish for MPEG2 support, the total is still small, and companies look at
> ROI. Commit (with a purchase order) to purchase a few hundred
> million Rokus if they add MPEG2 support by the new year, and you
> might find Roku will add it (well, they could not ship that many, but
> they would talk).
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I did not realize that the hardware can decode it. I would happily pay the
license fee through the app store to unlock the capability.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating their
> own MPEG2 content?

Anyone wishing to mail a DVD to grand-ma? Some people aren't very
tech savy but can manage to stick a disc in a player.

Eric
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Eric Sharkey <eric@lisaneric.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
> > Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
> their
> > own MPEG2 content?
>
> Anyone wishing to mail a DVD to grand-ma? Some people aren't very
> tech savy but can manage to stick a disc in a player.
>
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Good point. I never think about DVDs.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Eric Sharkey <eric@lisaneric.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
> > Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
> their
> > own MPEG2 content?
>
> Anyone wishing to mail a DVD to grand-ma? Some people aren't very
> tech savy but can manage to stick a disc in a player.
>
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I am also impressed that grand-ma has an ATV and MythTV setup!

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Eric Sharkey <eric@lisaneric.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
>> their
>> > own MPEG2 content?
>>
>> Anyone wishing to mail a DVD to grand-ma? Some people aren't very
>> tech savy but can manage to stick a disc in a player.
>>
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> I am also impressed that grand-ma has an ATV and MythTV setup!
>

This is funny think about...

Grand-mas with an ATV, MythTV, and grandchild willing to set it all up and
send her DVDs has to be the most niche of niche groups ever! Certainly not
a good ROI.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
> Grand-mas with an ATV, MythTV, and grandchild willing to set it all up and
> send her DVDs has to be the most niche of niche groups ever! Certainly not a
> good ROI.

I'm not sure why she would need a MythTV in this case. I was thinking
of a standard consumer DVD player. Or maybe one of those TV's with
the built-in DVD player. I only have one grandparent left, and that's
about her speed. She's not browsing Facebook.

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On 10/11/15 17:42, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
>> [deletia]
>
> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
> their own MPEG2 content?
>
Well, every Standard Definition digital TV broadcast in the UK, for starters.

HD has gone to h264 but I don't think there are any plans to retrofit to SD. There's just too much
existing hardware out there.

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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mike Perkins <mikep@randomtraveller.org.uk>
wrote:

> On 10/11/15 17:42, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
>
>> [deletia]
>>>
>>
>> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
>> their own MPEG2 content?
>>
>> Well, every Standard Definition digital TV broadcast in the UK, for
> starters.
>
> HD has gone to h264 but I don't think there are any plans to retrofit to
> SD. There's just too much existing hardware out there.
>
> --
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So, who is this non MythTV user, who is broadcasting his SD home videos in
MPEG2 format all over the UK?

The only point I am trying to make is that all of these streaming devices
are made for streaming commercial content over the internet and, as jedi
mentioned, personal content. Outside of MythTV users and the like, I know
of no personal content encoded in MPEG2.

I will ask my question again. Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and
the like, who is creating their own MPEG2 content?

Hoi Tom,

Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 10:44:34 PM, you wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mike Perkins <mikep@randomtraveller.org.uk>
> wrote:

>> On 10/11/15 17:42, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
>>
>>> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>
>>> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
>>> their own MPEG2 content?
>>>
>>> Well, every Standard Definition digital TV broadcast in the UK, for
>> starters.
>>
>> HD has gone to h264 but I don't think there are any plans to retrofit to
>> SD. There's just too much existing hardware out there.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike Perkins
>>
>>
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> So, who is this non MythTV user, who is broadcasting his SD home videos in
> MPEG2 format all over the UK?

> The only point I am trying to make is that all of these streaming devices
> are made for streaming commercial content over the internet and, as jedi
> mentioned, personal content. Outside of MythTV users and the like, I know
> of no personal content encoded in MPEG2.

> I will ask my question again. Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and
> the like, who is creating their own MPEG2 content?

He is talking about the majority of the 'COMMERCIAL' broadcasters in
Europe. It may surprise you, but there is live outside the US!

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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:39 PM Hika van den Hoven <hikavdh@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi Tom,
>
> Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 10:44:34 PM, you wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mike Perkins <
> mikep@randomtraveller.org.uk>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 10/11/15 17:42, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
> >>
> >>> [deletia]
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
> >>> their own MPEG2 content?
> >>>
> >>> Well, every Standard Definition digital TV broadcast in the UK, for
> >> starters.
> >>
> >> HD has gone to h264 but I don't think there are any plans to retrofit to
> >> SD. There's just too much existing hardware out there.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Mike Perkins
> >>
> >>
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>
> > So, who is this non MythTV user, who is broadcasting his SD home videos
> in
> > MPEG2 format all over the UK?
>
> > The only point I am trying to make is that all of these streaming devices
> > are made for streaming commercial content over the internet and, as jedi
> > mentioned, personal content. Outside of MythTV users and the like, I know
> > of no personal content encoded in MPEG2.
>
> > I will ask my question again. Outside of our niche group, MythTV users
> and
> > the like, who is creating their own MPEG2 content?
>
> He is talking about the majority of the 'COMMERCIAL' broadcasters in
> Europe. It may surprise you, but there is live outside the US!
>
> Tot mails,
> Hika mailto:hikavdh@gmail.com
>
> "Zonder hoop kun je niet leven
> Zonder leven is er geen hoop
> Het eeuwige dilemma
> Zeker als je hoop moet vernietigen om te kunnen overleven!"
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I'd probably point out that while I'm only half following this discussion,
it's worth noting that I believe the question was specifically discussing
NON-COMMERCIAL broadcasters.

And while your pointed comment about there being life outside the US was
unnecessary, I'd like to point out that most broadcasters in the US still
broadcast in MPEG2 and are just now moving to MPEG4 broadcasting which to
my knowledge is behind what most major broadcasters in the EU currently do.
So while you attempted to make another "lol, look at the ignorant
americans" comment, I would argue that you did something quite to the
contrary.

Thomas
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Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 12:01:03 AM, you wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:39 PM Hika van den Hoven <hikavdh@gmail.com>
> wrote:

>> Hoi Tom,
>>
>> Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 10:44:34 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mike Perkins <
>> mikep@randomtraveller.org.uk>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> On 10/11/15 17:42, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> [deletia]
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
>> >>> their own MPEG2 content?
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, every Standard Definition digital TV broadcast in the UK, for
>> >> starters.
>> >>
>> >> HD has gone to h264 but I don't think there are any plans to retrofit to
>> >> SD. There's just too much existing hardware out there.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Mike Perkins
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
>>
>> > So, who is this non MythTV user, who is broadcasting his SD home videos
>> in
>> > MPEG2 format all over the UK?
>>
>> > The only point I am trying to make is that all of these streaming devices
>> > are made for streaming commercial content over the internet and, as jedi
>> > mentioned, personal content. Outside of MythTV users and the like, I know
>> > of no personal content encoded in MPEG2.
>>
>> > I will ask my question again. Outside of our niche group, MythTV users
>> and
>> > the like, who is creating their own MPEG2 content?
>>
>> He is talking about the majority of the 'COMMERCIAL' broadcasters in
>> Europe. It may surprise you, but there is live outside the US!
>>
>> Tot mails,
>> Hika mailto:hikavdh@gmail.com
>>
>> "Zonder hoop kun je niet leven
>> Zonder leven is er geen hoop
>> Het eeuwige dilemma
>> Zeker als je hoop moet vernietigen om te kunnen overleven!"
>>
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> I'd probably point out that while I'm only half following this discussion,
> it's worth noting that I believe the question was specifically discussing
> NON-COMMERCIAL broadcasters.

Why do you think I quoted that. Here the broadcasting standard is
still mpeg2. Commercial and non-commercial. And I don't see it
changing in the near future. To much cost in replacing hardware.
And to quote Mike 'every Standard Definition digital TV broadcast in
the UK' Followed by Tom's remark about '... who is this non MythTV
user ...'!?!?

It just sometimes gets annoying, you from across the pond, thinking
you are the world (standard)!

> And while your pointed comment about there being life outside the US was
> unnecessary, I'd like to point out that most broadcasters in the US still
> broadcast in MPEG2 and are just now moving to MPEG4 broadcasting which to
> my knowledge is behind what most major broadcasters in the EU currently do.
> So while you attempted to make another "lol, look at the ignorant
> americans" comment, I would argue that you did something quite to the
> contrary.

> Thomas




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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Hika van den Hoven <hikavdh@gmail.com>
wrote:

> It just sometimes gets annoying, you from across the pond, thinking
> you are the world (standard)!
>
>
It's annoying for some of us that live under that, too...

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
wrote:

>
> 1080i or 720p?
>

CPU utilization is about 65% for 1080i and 45% for 720p.


>
> Which de-interlacer are you using? Do you offer de-interlacing options?
>

I'm currently using whatever libVLC uses by default. Looks like that might
be Blender? I don't offer options currently. It looks like that wouldn't be
too hard. I haven't noticed a problem with 1080i content.


>
> Does your client mark recordings played automatically?
>

The beta version I sent out last night has a progress bar with each item in
the recordings list, so you can see which have been watched. I see there is
an API call to mark recordings watched on the backend. I'll add that this
week.


> Is the current playback position saved on exit so one can resume where we
> left off?
>

Yes.


> Just on your client or on Mythfrontend?
>

It's stored in iCloud, so it is synced across all your Apple TVs. I haven't
found a way to store or retrieve playback positions with the Services API,
so they are currently not synced with Mythfrontend.


> Does your client offer commerical skipping?
>

Just 30-second skip and fast-forward. It doesn't use the commercial
flagging data yet.


> Playback at 1.1 or 1.2 times normal? None of these are deal-breakers,
> but they are nice features of the native frontend.
>

The beta does 1.3, 2, 4, 6x playback. I can add more steps if that's
interesting. I'm thinking about making that configurable.


>
> Just for interest, what protocol do you use to connect to the backend?
> The Services API?
>

Yes, the Services API.


> Did you previously do an iOS client or is this brand new?
>

This is brand new.

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca <mailto:ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>> wrote:
>
> ... Playback at 1.1 or 1.2 times normal? None of these are deal-breakers, but they are nice features of the native frontend.
>
> The beta does 1.3, 2, 4, 6x playback. I can add more steps if that's interesting. I'm thinking about making that configurable.

Thanks for all the info. The 1.1/1.2 speeds are useful for certain kinds of talk shows, documentaries, etc. Mythfrontend does some magic so the voices don’t sound like chipmunks.

Another minor feature that I sometimes use in the frontend is stepping forward/back frame-by-frame when playback is paused. Most often when that message flashs up at the end of the Big Bang Theory and whatnot. I _wouldn’t_ use to see just much was exposed when there was a flash of (attractive) skin on the screen. Because, you know, that would be embarassing to admit! ;)

Craig

On 11 November 2015 at 12:07, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca> wrote:

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> ... Playback at 1.1 or 1.2 times normal? None of these are
>> deal-breakers, but they are nice features of the native frontend.
>>
>
> The beta does 1.3, 2, 4, 6x playback. I can add more steps if that's
> interesting. I'm thinking about making that configurable.
>
>
> Thanks for all the info. The 1.1/1.2 speeds are useful for certain kinds
> of talk shows, documentaries, etc. Mythfrontend does some magic so the
> voices don’t sound like chipmunks.
>
> Another minor feature that I sometimes use in the frontend is stepping
> forward/back frame-by-frame when playback is paused. Most often when that
> message flashs up at the end of the Big Bang Theory and whatnot. I
> _wouldn’t_ use to see just much was exposed when there was a flash of
> (attractive) skin on the screen. Because, you know, that would be
> embarassing to admit! ;)
>
> Craig
>
>
> I even run some sporting events at 1.4x in mythtv, with the iOS podcast
App it can run a 2x without chipmunking!

is there any reason you wouldn't also release the app for iOS also or is
there some technical reason (perhaps the smaller screen size or some other
apple roadblock) given that Torc hasn't been updated in some time...

Cheers,

Anthony

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
wrote:

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> ... Playback at 1.1 or 1.2 times normal? None of these are
>> deal-breakers, but they are nice features of the native frontend.
>>
>
> The beta does 1.3, 2, 4, 6x playback. I can add more steps if that's
> interesting. I'm thinking about making that configurable.
>
>
> Thanks for all the info. The 1.1/1.2 speeds are useful for certain kinds
> of talk shows, documentaries, etc. Mythfrontend does some magic so the
> voices don’t sound like chipmunks.
>
> Another minor feature that I sometimes use in the frontend is stepping
> forward/back frame-by-frame when playback is paused. Most often when that
> message flashs up at the end of the Big Bang Theory and whatnot. I
> _wouldn’t_ use to see just much was exposed when there was a flash of
> (attractive) skin on the screen. Because, you know, that would be
> embarassing to admit! ;)
>
> Craig
>
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>
My apologies to the OP, Hika, and Karl. I am not sure how this turned into
a US vs the world discussion. That was not my intent. We have clearly
miscommunicated.

Hoi Tom,

Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 4:21:38 AM, you wrote:

> My apologies to the OP, Hika, and Karl. I am not sure how this turned into
> a US vs the world discussion. That was not my intent. We have clearly
> miscommunicated.

I'm fully convinced you did not intent to. But it happens in a group
where there are a lot of strong opinions, especially since we all on
occasion, me included, do not properly read before we react.
It only would get nasty if we no longer could speak our heart or if we
lost respect. ;-)

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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:19 PM Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1080i or 720p?
>>
>
> CPU utilization is about 65% for 1080i and 45% for 720p.
>
>
>>
>> Which de-interlacer are you using? Do you offer de-interlacing options?
>>
>
> I'm currently using whatever libVLC uses by default. Looks like that might
> be Blender? I don't offer options currently. It looks like that wouldn't be
> too hard. I haven't noticed a problem with 1080i content.
>
>
>>
>> Does your client mark recordings played automatically?
>>
>
> The beta version I sent out last night has a progress bar with each item
> in the recordings list, so you can see which have been watched. I see there
> is an API call to mark recordings watched on the backend. I'll add that
> this week.
>
>
>> Is the current playback position saved on exit so one can resume where we
>> left off?
>>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>> Just on your client or on Mythfrontend?
>>
>
> It's stored in iCloud, so it is synced across all your Apple TVs. I
> haven't found a way to store or retrieve playback positions with the
> Services API, so they are currently not synced with Mythfrontend.
>
>
>> Does your client offer commerical skipping?
>>
>
> Just 30-second skip and fast-forward. It doesn't use the commercial
> flagging data yet.
>
>
>> Playback at 1.1 or 1.2 times normal? None of these are deal-breakers,
>> but they are nice features of the native frontend.
>>
>
> The beta does 1.3, 2, 4, 6x playback. I can add more steps if that's
> interesting. I'm thinking about making that configurable.
>
>
>>
>> Just for interest, what protocol do you use to connect to the backend?
>> The Services API?
>>
>
> Yes, the Services API.
>
>
>> Did you previously do an iOS client or is this brand new?
>>
>
> This is brand new.
>
>

Does it support 5.1 channel sound? I tried it and it defaulted to 2
channels. if I run Plex and watch something with 5.1 sound, I get it
there.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Anthony Giggins <seven@seven.dorksville.net
> wrote:

>
> is there any reason you wouldn't also release the app for iOS also or is
> there some technical reason (perhaps the smaller screen size or some other
> apple roadblock) given that Torc hasn't been updated in some time...
>

No technical reason or roadblocks. I just don't think I would personally
use it much. On the other hand, for years I've wished I had a MythTV app on
my Apple TV. Once I get the guide implemented it might be more interesting
on iOS.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
wrote:

>
>> Does your client mark recordings played automatically?
>>
>
> The beta version I sent out last night has a progress bar with each item
> in the recordings list, so you can see which have been watched. I see there
> is an API call to mark recordings watched on the backend. I'll add that
> this week.
>

It turns out that the API endpoint for marking recordings as watched is new
in 0.28, so that will have to wait for a bit.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Does your client mark recordings played automatically?
>>>
>>
>> The beta version I sent out last night has a progress bar with each item
>> in the recordings list, so you can see which have been watched. I see there
>> is an API call to mark recordings watched on the backend. I'll add that
>> this week.
>>
>
> It turns out that the API endpoint for marking recordings as watched is
> new in 0.28, so that will have to wait for a bit.
>
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Since there is no way to see the app info without an ATV, is there any
place a non-ATV owner can see screenshots?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:

>
> Since there is no way to see the app info without an ATV, is there any
> place a non-ATV owner can see screenshots?
>

I haven't had time to build a web page for it yet, but you can see
screenshots here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/q1bz3e25cil4mw6/AACJHGQ3BN8SOW9LSH3nAPhKa?dl=0

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Byron Poland <wpoland@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Does it support 5.1 channel sound? I tried it and it defaulted to 2
> channels. if I run Plex and watch something with 5.1 sound, I get it
> there.
>

Good question. I'll look into that.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Byron Poland <wpoland@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Does it support 5.1 channel sound? I tried it and it defaulted to 2
>> channels. if I run Plex and watch something with 5.1 sound, I get it
>> there.
>>
>
> Good question. I'll look into that.
>
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The design looks simple and clean. It is not overly fanart-ed, thank you!

Are you developing this on your own or are you looking to build a team?
Would you like feedback?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and
> the like, who is creating their own MPEG2 content?

Anyone with a camcorder that records to MPEG2 directly.

https://www.google.com/search?q=dvd+camcorder&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=dvd+camcorder&tbm=shop&spd=15835613938831293312

Stuff like this may be obsolete in our niche group, but some people
still use these things.

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:

>
> The design looks simple and clean. It is not overly fanart-ed, thank you!
>

Thanks.


>
> Are you developing this on your own or are you looking to build a team?
> Would you like feedback?
>

It's just me in my spare time. Are you interested in collaborating?
Feedback is welcome.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The design looks simple and clean. It is not overly fanart-ed, thank you!
>>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>>
>> Are you developing this on your own or are you looking to build a team?
>> Would you like feedback?
>>
>
> It's just me in my spare time. Are you interested in collaborating?
> Feedback is welcome.
>
>
>
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Interested in collaboration - yes
Want to provide feedback - yes

Software development experience - yes
Mac for development - yes
ATV4 - no, not yet
MythTV backend - yes
Spare time for development - no, this is unlikely through the end of the
year

First, I need to get an ATV4 to help out in any way. Hopefully soon. Where
there is a will, there is a way.

-Tom

On 8 November 2015 at 04:19, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:

> It is interesting to here that it will decode MPEG2. Are you sure that your
> recordings are MPEG2? There is no mention of MPEG2 support in the specs for
> the ATV4.

Seeing that the decoder is VideoToolbox, and it supports mpeg2, mpeg4
part 2 and mpeg4 part 10 (h264)
it's not surprising. it would be surprising if it didn't.
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On 9 November 2015 at 11:32, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org> wrote:
> I wrote the MythTV app for tvOS (Apple TV 4). I'm glad you're enjoying it
> and that you found the 30 second skip feature.

While it's great to have an app ; the use of the name MythTV is bothering me.
You should have used another name
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Not to derail this, but I think creating a plex channel for myth would be
better than atv app. Especially since you write it once, and it will work
everywhere plex works - which is a lot of places now. Including atv, ios,
roku, chromecast, etc.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Jean-Yves Avenard <jyavenard@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 9 November 2015 at 11:32, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
> wrote:
> > I wrote the MythTV app for tvOS (Apple TV 4). I'm glad you're enjoying it
> > and that you found the 30 second skip feature.
>
> While it's great to have an app ; the use of the name MythTV is bothering
> me.
> You should have used another name
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Min Idzelis <min123@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not to derail this, but I think creating a plex channel for myth would be
> better than atv app.

I seem to recall someone had written a plex channel for accessing
MythTV(*). But then you probably already know that, and have found
it to be inadequate for your needs. I am sure that the other plex
users await your code contributions to make it better.



(*) Never used it, likely never will, but I do recall seeing something
pass by in the ether(net).
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Jean-Yves Avenard <jyavenard@gmail.com> wrote:
.....
> While it's great to have an app ; the use of the name MythTV is bothering me.
> You should have used another name

Was the MythTV name ever trademarked by one of the core devs?
While someone else may not be able to claim ownership, if you do
not have a trademark, the name usage really is "up for grabs" limited to
gentleman's agreements (and not everyone is going to be a gentleman).
Last I recall the micro entity trademark fee is not outrageously outrageous.
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:42:49PM -0500, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 09:54:42AM -0500, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Simon Hobson <linux@thehobsons.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > jedi <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Apple's apparent
> > > > > hostility to MPEG2 has always intrigued me.
> > > >
> > > > Really simple and short answer - they don't give a **** because that
> > > > doesn't earn them anything !
> > > >
> > > > Remember that Apple long since abandoned all but a pretence about it
> > being
> > > > about "the customer" - now it's clear that the whole strategy is about
> > > > proprietary systems, customer locking, walled gardens, and taking a
> > slice
> > > > (30%) of everything the user spends.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps I'm just getting cynical, but I get the impression that any
> > > > ability they offer to access "your own stuff" is incidental and only
> > > > allowed grudgingly on the basis that they can't get away with not
> > > > supporting it (yet).
> >
> > [deletia]
> >
> > >
> > > You are correct, you are getting cynical. Again, none of the low power
> > > streaming devices natively support MPEG2 for good reason. None of the
> > > streaming services, that they were created to serve, stream in MPEG2. And
> >
> > That's a stupid reason. That ingores one of the original use cases
> > for home video, namely creating your own content. People already have
> > stuff. These aren't even terribly geeky people. They have it because
> > previous generations of devices used those old formats.
> >

[deletia]

>
> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
> their own MPEG2 content?

Anyone with an older camera or phone. There are plenty of rubes that can
point a camera and hit the record button. Even if they've moved on to "newer
and flashier" devices, they are still likely have old stuff that now might as
well be on VHS tape.

It's easy to forsee a time when h264 is treated as a marginal legacy
format for similar reasons.


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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 01:01:30PM -0500, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Eric Sharkey <eric@lisaneric.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Tom Bongiorno <tbjr@bongohut.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
> >> their
> >> > own MPEG2 content?
> >>
> >> Anyone wishing to mail a DVD to grand-ma? Some people aren't very
> >> tech savy but can manage to stick a disc in a player.
> >>
> >> Eric

[deletia]

> >
> > I am also impressed that grand-ma has an ATV and MythTV setup!
> >
>
> This is funny think about...
>
> Grand-mas with an ATV, MythTV, and grandchild willing to set it all up and
> send her DVDs has to be the most niche of niche groups ever! Certainly not
> a good ROI.

No. The sensible design would be a streamer with a thumbdrive and decent
format support. Then you wouldn't have to be some sort of ubergeek to support
a simple "home movie" use case.

The virtue of a DVD is that it is standardized, simple, and requires few
to zero moving parts versus setting up something like MythTV or Plex.
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 07:53:09PM +0000, Mike Perkins wrote:
> On 10/11/15 17:42, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
> >>[deletia]
> >
> >Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
> >their own MPEG2 content?
> >
> Well, every Standard Definition digital TV broadcast in the UK, for starters.

...also, every digital TV broadcast in the USA.

>
> HD has gone to h264 but I don't think there are any plans to
> retrofit to SD. There's just too much existing hardware out there.
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:39:36PM +0100, Hika van den Hoven wrote:
> Hoi Tom,
>
> Tuesday, November 10, 2015, 10:44:34 PM, you wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Mike Perkins <mikep@randomtraveller.org.uk>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 10/11/15 17:42, Tom Bongiorno wrote:
> >>
> >>> [deletia]
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and the like, who is creating
> >>> their own MPEG2 content?
> >>>
> >>> Well, every Standard Definition digital TV broadcast in the UK, for
> >> starters.
> >>
> >> HD has gone to h264 but I don't think there are any plans to retrofit to
> >> SD. There's just too much existing hardware out there.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Mike Perkins
> >>
> >>
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> > So, who is this non MythTV user, who is broadcasting his SD home videos in
> > MPEG2 format all over the UK?
>
> > The only point I am trying to make is that all of these streaming devices
> > are made for streaming commercial content over the internet and, as jedi
> > mentioned, personal content. Outside of MythTV users and the like, I know
> > of no personal content encoded in MPEG2.
>
> > I will ask my question again. Outside of our niche group, MythTV users and
> > the like, who is creating their own MPEG2 content?
>
> He is talking about the majority of the 'COMMERCIAL' broadcasters in
> Europe. It may surprise you, but there is live outside the US!

I hadn't even thought of MythTV recordings originally.

I was mainly thinking about my still and video camera and the various
things I have accumulated over the years. The inlaws also have their own
camera and collection of old home movies.

Mine are all tagged and bagged and sorted via MythTV.

The Olds are pretty much out of luck.
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 04:54:08AM +0000, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Min Idzelis <min123@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not to derail this, but I think creating a plex channel for myth would be
> > better than atv app.
>
> I seem to recall someone had written a plex channel for accessing
> MythTV(*). But then you probably already know that, and have found
> it to be inadequate for your needs. I am sure that the other plex
> users await your code contributions to make it better.

...except someone else has already decided to to this work.

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On 11/11/2015 11:06 AM, Bart Whiteley wrote:
>
>
> Are you developing this on your own or are you looking to build a
> team? Would you like feedback?
>
>
> It's just me in my spare time. Are you interested in collaborating?
> Feedback is welcome.

Thanks for your work. With ATV4, I'm able to combine my Plex/Kodi
library along with streaming services, and now MythTV front-end. I was
hoping MythTV would come and I was surprised that someone tackled it so
soon. I bought your app last night after reading this discussion, and
it is a great start. Here's my feedback:

1. The menu for "Play"/"Delete" after selecting a show is clunky. I
think it just go straight into playing the show because that is what I
want 99% of the time. If I hit the menu button, then I should be given
some options, including delete.

2. Having MythTV groupings show up as a top hierarchy would be nice. I
record almost all the local news, but I have it in a "News" group, away
from the "Default". Having it all combined makes it more difficult to
find something.

3. Alphabetical sorting of the show list in addition to "Most Recent".

4. I prefer Apple's navigation interface over the swiping up and down in
an effort to emulate MythTV's. I believe it is possible to distinguish
clicks on the left and right side of the remote for skipping forward and
back. It would be nice to have the standard navigation as a option to
the MythTV navigation. Swiping down should bring down the upper menu
with audio and close-captioning options, like it does elsewhere.

5. Commercial skipping. :)

Hi Pete. Thanks for the note. Comments below.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your work. With ATV4, I'm able to combine my Plex/Kodi library
> along with streaming services, and now MythTV front-end. I was hoping
> MythTV would come and I was surprised that someone tackled it so soon. I
> bought your app last night after reading this discussion, and it is a great
> start. Here's my feedback:
>
> 1. The menu for "Play"/"Delete" after selecting a show is clunky. I think
> it just go straight into playing the show because that is what I want 99%
> of the time. If I hit the menu button, then I should be given some
> options, including delete.
>

If you click the Play/Pause button instead of Select, it will begin
playback immediately. According to Apple, the Menu button should "Return to
previous screen." [1]


>
> 2. Having MythTV groupings show up as a top hierarchy would be nice. I
> record almost all the local news, but I have it in a "News" group, away
> from the "Default". Having it all combined makes it more difficult to find
> something.
>

That's a good suggestion.


>
> 3. Alphabetical sorting of the show list in addition to "Most Recent".
>

I have an update waiting for review that includes alphabetical sorting of
recordings if enabled in Settings.


>
> 4. I prefer Apple's navigation interface over the swiping up and down in
> an effort to emulate MythTV's. I believe it is possible to distinguish
> clicks on the left and right side of the remote for skipping forward and
> back. It would be nice to have the standard navigation as a option to the
> MythTV navigation. Swiping down should bring down the upper menu with
> audio and close-captioning options, like it does elsewhere.
>

I actually implemented that but disabled it for the time being. It's tricky
because when you press to click the trackpad, your thumb smashes into the
trackpad which creates a larger area of contact and moves the touch point
closer to the center. It will take a bit of finesse to adjust it to feel
right.


>
> 5. Commercial skipping. :)
>

That should be possible once MythTV 0.28 is released.


[1]
https://developer.apple.com/tvos/human-interface-guidelines/remote-and-interaction/

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
wrote:

> Which de-interlacer are you using? Do you offer de-interlacing options?
>
>
An update released today that uses Linear as the default de-interlacer. It
was previously Blend. You can change the de-interlace filter in Settings.

The update also includes support for universal or HDMI-CEC remotes.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Which de-interlacer are you using? Do you offer de-interlacing options?
>>
>>
> An update released today that uses Linear as the default de-interlacer. It
> was previously Blend. You can change the de-interlace filter in Settings.
>
> The update also includes support for universal or HDMI-CEC remotes.
>

Skip ahead/back via my universal remote arrow keys is a big improvement.
I don’t use the “siri remote” at all, so this change was really needed for
me.

I tried the deinterlacing settings, but switched back to the default. The
other one I was trying (I forgot exactly which) looked a little funny on
fast moving sports. Is there any information available on which settings
work best with what content?



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Hi Bart,

The app looks great, and was the tipping point for me to buy the 4th gen.

On Dec 3, 2015 2:21 PM, "Bart Whiteley" <bart.lists@whiteley.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Pete. Thanks for the note. Comments below.
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your work. With ATV4, I'm able to combine my Plex/Kodi
library along with streaming services, and now MythTV front-end. I was
hoping MythTV would come and I was surprised that someone tackled it so
soon. I bought your app last night after reading this discussion, and it
is a great start. Here's my feedback:
>>
>> 1. The menu for "Play"/"Delete" after selecting a show is clunky. I
think it just go straight into playing the show because that is what I want
99% of the time. If I hit the menu button, then I should be given some
options, including delete.
>
>
> If you click the Play/Pause button instead of Select, it will begin
playback immediately. According to Apple, the Menu button should "Return to
previous screen." [1]
>

Do you have any plans for the long click event from the listing? I can't
let my 4 year old use the siri remote for his shows since he has
accidentally deleted recordings with the normal click. He has not figured
out the long click yet though and it seems like a good way to bring up
other recoding specific actions like delete, re-record, etc..

>>
>>
>> 2. Having MythTV groupings show up as a top hierarchy would be nice. I
record almost all the local news, but I have it in a "News" group, away
from the "Default". Having it all combined makes it more difficult to find
something.
>
>
> That's a good suggestion.
>
>>
>>
>> 3. Alphabetical sorting of the show list in addition to "Most Recent".
>
>
> I have an update waiting for review that includes alphabetical sorting of
recordings if enabled in Settings.
>
>>
>>
>> 4. I prefer Apple's navigation interface over the swiping up and down in
an effort to emulate MythTV's. I believe it is possible to distinguish
clicks on the left and right side of the remote for skipping forward and
back. It would be nice to have the standard navigation as a option to the
MythTV navigation. Swiping down should bring down the upper menu with
audio and close-captioning options, like it does elsewhere.
>
>
> I actually implemented that but disabled it for the time being. It's
tricky because when you press to click the trackpad, your thumb smashes
into the trackpad which creates a larger area of contact and moves the
touch point closer to the center. It will take a bit of finesse to adjust
it to feel right.
>
>>
>>
>> 5. Commercial skipping. :)
>
>
> That should be possible once MythTV 0.28 is released.
>
>
> [1]
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On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Eric Pheatt <eric.pheatt@gmail.com> wrote:

> The app looks great, and was the tipping point for me to buy the 4th gen.
>

Thanks!


> Do you have any plans for the long click event from the listing? I can't
> let my 4 year old use the siri remote for his shows since he has
> accidentally deleted recordings with the normal click. He has not figured
> out the long click yet though and it seems like a good way to bring up
> other recoding specific actions like delete, re-record, etc..
>

That's a good idea. I'll look into that.

Ditto here.

My AppleTV 2 keeps flaking out. And my Atom-powered minimyth frontend doesn't seem to handle AVC transport streams. So I ordered an ATV4 (64GB) on Black Friday - should be here next week. And I'll be downloading your MythTV app asap. I just hope the photo navigation is improved.

It's awesome that MythTV's architecture supports such highly-functional front ends. Nothing else seems to be able to touch it...

cp

On 12/5/15 1:20 PM, Eric Pheatt wrote:

Hi Bart,

The app looks great, and was the tipping point for me to buy the 4th gen.

On Dec 3, 2015 2:21 PM, "Bart Whiteley" <bart.lists@whiteley.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Pete. Thanks for the note. Comments below.
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your work.  With ATV4, I'm able to combine my Plex/Kodi library along with streaming services, and now MythTV front-end.  I was hoping MythTV would come and I was surprised that someone tackled it so soon.  I bought your app last night after reading this discussion, and it is a great start. Here's my feedback:
>>
>> 1. The menu for "Play"/"Delete" after selecting a show is clunky.  I think it just go straight into playing the show because that is what I want 99% of the time.  If I hit the menu button, then I should be given some options, including delete.
>
>
> If you click the Play/Pause button instead of Select, it will begin playback immediately. According to Apple, the Menu button should "Return to previous screen." [1]
>  

Do you have any plans for the long click event from the listing? I can't let my 4 year old use the siri remote for his shows since he has accidentally deleted recordings with the normal click. He has not figured out the long click yet though and it seems like a good way to bring up other recoding specific actions like delete, re-record, etc..

>>
>>
>> 2. Having MythTV groupings show up as a top hierarchy would be nice.  I record almost all the local news, but I have it in a "News" group, away from the "Default".  Having it all combined makes it more difficult to find something.
>
>
> That's a good suggestion.
>  
>>
>>
>> 3. Alphabetical sorting of the show list in addition to "Most Recent".
>
>
> I have an update waiting for review that includes alphabetical sorting of recordings if enabled in Settings.
>  
>>
>>
>> 4. I prefer Apple's navigation interface over the swiping up and down in an effort to emulate MythTV's.  I believe it is possible to distinguish clicks on the left and right side of the remote for skipping forward and back.  It would be nice to have the standard navigation as a option to the MythTV navigation.  Swiping down should bring down the upper menu with audio and close-captioning options, like it does elsewhere.
>
>
> I actually implemented that but disabled it for the time being. It's tricky because when you press to click the trackpad, your thumb smashes into the trackpad which creates a larger area of contact and moves the touch point closer to the center. It will take a bit of finesse to adjust it to feel right.
>  
>>
>>
>> 5. Commercial skipping. :)
>
>
> That should be possible once MythTV 0.28 is released. 
>
>
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I've just ordered an AppleTV 4 and I'm looking forward to trying out Bart's
app.
In the meantime I'll add on to Pete's feedback below.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> wrote:

> Would you like feedback [on your mythtv frontend app for AppleTV 4] ?
>>
>
> Feedback is welcome.
>
> Thanks for your work. With ATV4, I'm able to combine my Plex/Kodi library
> along with streaming services, and now MythTV front-end. I was hoping
> MythTV would come and I was surprised that someone tackled it so soon.


+1.


> I bought your app last night after reading this discussion, and it is a
> great start. Here's my feedback:
>
> 1. The menu for "Play"/"Delete" after selecting a show is clunky. I think
> it just go straight into playing the show because that is what I want 99%
> of the time. If I hit the menu button, then I should be given some
> options, including delete.
>
> 2. Having MythTV groupings show up as a top hierarchy would be nice. I
> record almost all the local news, but I have it in a "News" group, away
> from the "Default". Having it all combined makes it more difficult to find
> something.
>

This makes sense. I use groups so expect I'd be a +1 on this when I get
running.

3. Alphabetical sorting of the show list in addition to "Most Recent".
>
> 4. I prefer Apple's navigation interface over the swiping up and down in
> an effort to emulate MythTV's. I believe it is possible to distinguish
> clicks on the left and right side of the remote for skipping forward and
> back. It would be nice to have the standard navigation as a option to the
> MythTV navigation. Swiping down should bring down the upper menu with
> audio and close-captioning options, like it does elsewhere.
>
> 5. Commercial skipping. :)


+1. I love skipping commercials.

6. Bookmarking

I have a couple of frontends around the house now and enjoy being able to
start a show on one, save a bookmark, and then pick it up again later from
the bookmark using the same frontend or a different frontend.

I'm on mythtv .28 so I can contribute to testing with that version. Sounds
like that may matter for the Service API support.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Andrew Codrington <
andrew.codrington@fidenti.ca> wrote:

> 6. Bookmarking
>
> I have a couple of frontends around the house now and enjoy being able to
> start a show on one, save a bookmark, and then pick it up again later from
> the bookmark using the same frontend or a different frontend.
>

Bookmarks are currently stored in iCloud, so they are synced across all
your Apple TVs. They are not synced with the native MythTV FE though. I
would like to store the bookmarks on the BE instead of iCloud so they are
shared with the native FE. It looks like there is a way to do that but it
is not straightforward. Someone sent me a link to a Python script that does
it, but I haven't had a chance to reverse-engineer it yet.


> I'm on mythtv .28 so I can contribute to testing with that version. Sounds
> like that may matter for the Service API support.
>

Yes, please let me know how it works on .28.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> wrote:
> I prefer Apple's navigation interface over the swiping up and down in an
> effort to emulate MythTV's. I believe it is possible to distinguish clicks
> on the left and right side of the remote for skipping forward and back. It
> would be nice to have the standard navigation as a option to the MythTV
> navigation.

An update went out today that includes this change. Clicking the right
or left edges of the trackpad skips forward or back.
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On Dec 19, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com> wrote:
>> I prefer Apple's navigation interface over the swiping up and down in an
>> effort to emulate MythTV's. I believe it is possible to distinguish clicks
>> on the left and right side of the remote for skipping forward and back. It
>> would be nice to have the standard navigation as a option to the MythTV
>> navigation.
>
> An update went out today that includes this change. Clicking the right
> or left edges of the trackpad skips forward or back.

I just setup my new Apple TV and your app is working great, thanks!

I prefer operating in the Enable Arrow Buttons: No mode to avoid inadvertent seeking. But then I miss the 10 minute forward/back seek that seems to only be available with top/bottom taps when arrow buttons are enabled. Is it possible for the trackpad on the Siri remote to detect top/bottom clicks like it does with left/right?

I have a feature request. I generally like my recordings grouped alphabetically. But sometimes I want to work through recent recordings. With the full Mythfrontend, I use the ‘All Programs’ group to accomplish this. Could you add a group like this to your app?

I also have an issue to report. I started watching the Orange Bowl today about 20 minutes after the recording started. The recording is scheduled to last 4 hours and this was the time displayed on the far right of the seek bar. However, it was counting down rapidly and the current position indicator was counting up rapidly. The 10 second seek back didn’t seem to work at all and the 30 second seek forward seemed to only go forward about 10 seconds. Is this a known issue? The recording source is MPEG2 from an HDHR.

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I installed the MythTV for my ATV4 as soon as I found out about it. Many thanks for it. It is an enabler towards single frontend device in my living room which has been my dream for so long.

Couple of things to make it better for your backlog:
* UTF8 as default codepage, or possibility to chang it, there is life outside ascii :)
* DVB text (I can provide examples for both SD and HD content)
* guide/recording
* live-tv

Probably third and fourth on the list are already on your todo list.

Looking forward to future versions,

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On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Jari Seppälä
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> I installed the MythTV for my ATV4 as soon as I found out about it. Many thanks for it. It is an enabler towards single frontend device in my living room which has been my dream for so long.

Thanks for the feedback. I share your dream. I've wanted to build this
app for years. I've just been waiting for Apple to open up the
platform.

>
> Couple of things to make it better for your backlog:
> * UTF8 as default codepage, or possibility to chang it, there is life outside ascii :)

Are you seeing a problem with this? If so I'd like to contact you
off-list and get an example of your metadata.

> * DVB text (I can provide examples for both SD and HD content)

Examples would be appreciated.

> * guide/recording
> * live-tv
>
> Probably third and fourth on the list are already on your todo list.

Correct.

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Chris Hoff <hoffchris@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just setup my new Apple TV and your app is working great, thanks!

Glad to hear it!

>
> I prefer operating in the Enable Arrow Buttons: No mode to avoid inadvertent seeking. But then I miss the 10 minute forward/back seek that seems to only be available with top/bottom taps when arrow buttons are enabled. Is it possible for the trackpad on the Siri remote to detect top/bottom clicks like it does with left/right?

I have a new version waiting for review by Apple that removes the
Enable Arrow Buttons setting. Instead, the buttons always work on
universal remotes and trackpad taps are always ignored. This is the
way I wanted it to be all along but the SDK doesn't make it easy to
distinguish universal remote button presses vs. trackpad taps.

I could detect top/bottom clicks on the trackpad. It was my belief
that if you wanted to skip as far as 10 minutes, then clicking and
scrubbing with the thumbnailer would be much preferred to a 10-minute
skip. Perhaps that was a bad assumption. Also, top/bottom clicks don't
feel quite as nice in part due to the "diving board" effect of the
trackpad -- the pressure required to click is inconsistent across the
vertical position. It's also not easy to tell where the trackpad stops
at the bottom.

>
> I have a feature request. I generally like my recordings grouped alphabetically. But sometimes I want to work through recent recordings. With the full Mythfrontend, I use the ‘All Programs’ group to accomplish this. Could you add a group like this to your app?

Yes. I'll add that to the list. Thanks for the feedback.

>
> I also have an issue to report. I started watching the Orange Bowl today about 20 minutes after the recording started. The recording is scheduled to last 4 hours and this was the time displayed on the far right of the seek bar. However, it was counting down rapidly and the current position indicator was counting up rapidly. The 10 second seek back didn’t seem to work at all and the 30 second seek forward seemed to only go forward about 10 seconds. Is this a known issue? The recording source is MPEG2 from an HDHR.

This is a known problem while watching a recording in progress. I'm
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
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> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Chris Hoff <hoffchris@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just setup my new Apple TV and your app is working great, thanks!
>
> Glad to hear it!
>
> >
> > I prefer operating in the Enable Arrow Buttons: No mode to avoid
> inadvertent seeking. But then I miss the 10 minute forward/back seek that
> seems to only be available with top/bottom taps when arrow buttons are
> enabled. Is it possible for the trackpad on the Siri remote to detect
> top/bottom clicks like it does with left/right?
>
> I have a new version waiting for review by Apple that removes the
> Enable Arrow Buttons setting. Instead, the buttons always work on
> universal remotes and trackpad taps are always ignored. This is the
> way I wanted it to be all along but the SDK doesn't make it easy to
> distinguish universal remote button presses vs. trackpad taps.
>
> I could detect top/bottom clicks on the trackpad. It was my belief
> that if you wanted to skip as far as 10 minutes, then clicking and
> scrubbing with the thumbnailer would be much preferred to a 10-minute
> skip. Perhaps that was a bad assumption. Also, top/bottom clicks don't
> feel quite as nice in part due to the "diving board" effect of the
> trackpad -- the pressure required to click is inconsistent across the
> vertical position. It's also not easy to tell where the trackpad stops
> at the bottom.
>
> >
> > I have a feature request. I generally like my recordings grouped
> alphabetically. But sometimes I want to work through recent recordings.
> With the full Mythfrontend, I use the ‘All Programs’ group to accomplish
> this. Could you add a group like this to your app?
>
> Yes. I'll add that to the list. Thanks for the feedback.
>
> >
> > I also have an issue to report. I started watching the Orange Bowl
> today about 20 minutes after the recording started. The recording is
> scheduled to last 4 hours and this was the time displayed on the far right
> of the seek bar. However, it was counting down rapidly and the current
> position indicator was counting up rapidly. The 10 second seek back didn’t
> seem to work at all and the 30 second seek forward seemed to only go
> forward about 10 seconds. Is this a known issue? The recording source is
> MPEG2 from an HDHR.
>
> This is a known problem while watching a recording in progress. I'm
> working on a solution to improve that situation.
>
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I also just installed this MythTV app for my AppleTV and it's working great
so far. Any chance of adding MythVideo support to the app?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Fred Squires <fsquires@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also just installed this MythTV app for my AppleTV and it's working great
> so far. Any chance of adding MythVideo support to the app?

I'll add that to the list. I wondered how long it would be before
video was requested.
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The killer features for me would be live tv and the guide. I only have two
cable boxes in the house. Some TV's don't get used much because they don't
have a cable box. Too expensive to hook them all up at $10-12 apiece when
they aren't used daily. But if I could hook both cable boxes up to MythTV
and use the AppleTV app to get live TV at all the TV's in the house, even
at $150 apiece it wouldn't take long for an AppleTV to pay for itself.

Incidentally, I transcode everything and drop it into iTunes, so I wouldn't
really use any of the other features.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
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> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Fred Squires <fsquires@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I also just installed this MythTV app for my AppleTV and it's working
> great
> > so far. Any chance of adding MythVideo support to the app?
>
> I'll add that to the list. I wondered how long it would be before
> video was requested.
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On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Eric Pheatt <eric.pheatt@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you have any plans for the long click event from the listing? I can't let
> my 4 year old use the siri remote for his shows since he has accidentally
> deleted recordings with the normal click. He has not figured out the long
> click yet though and it seems like a good way to bring up other recoding
> specific actions like delete, re-record, etc..
>

There is a new update that has a configuration setting to disable the
ability to delete.
There is also a setting to configure the margin width for text and
playback controls.
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
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> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Eric Pheatt <eric.pheatt@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Do you have any plans for the long click event from the listing? I can't
> let
> > my 4 year old use the siri remote for his shows since he has accidentally
> > deleted recordings with the normal click. He has not figured out the long
> > click yet though and it seems like a good way to bring up other recoding
> > specific actions like delete, re-record, etc..
> >
>
> There is a new update that has a configuration setting to disable the
> ability to delete.
> There is also a setting to configure the margin width for text and
> playback controls.


Hey Bart, when playing H.264 content, does your app use the VLC libraries
used for MPEG-2 or does it use the apple (hardware accelerated) video
playback?

I’ve seen comments from European DVB users, so I assume H.264 playback
works. So, I’m now just wondering if there may be benefits with H.264
content, like HW deinterlacing.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Bart, when playing H.264 content, does your app use the VLC libraries
> used for MPEG-2 or does it use the apple (hardware accelerated) video
> playback?
>
> I’ve seen comments from European DVB users, so I assume H.264 playback
> works. So, I’m now just wondering if there may be benefits with H.264
> content, like HW deinterlacing.
>

Hi Tom. The app uses libVLC for all content playback. H.264 playback works.

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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:44 AM Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
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> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Bart, when playing H.264 content, does your app use the VLC
> libraries
> > used for MPEG-2 or does it use the apple (hardware accelerated) video
> > playback?
> >
> > I’ve seen comments from European DVB users, so I assume H.264 playback
> > works. So, I’m now just wondering if there may be benefits with H.264
> > content, like HW deinterlacing.
> >
>
> Hi Tom. The app uses libVLC for all content playback. H.264 playback works.
>
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>
>
Bart,

Any chance we will see 5.1 sound in an upcoming release? The guys working
on the Channels app pulled it off, so hoping you can as well.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Byron Poland <wpoland@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Any chance we will see 5.1 sound in an upcoming release? The guys working
> on the Channels app pulled it off, so hoping you can as well.
>

Yes, that's on the list. No ETA yet though.
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On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Jari Seppälä
<lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
> I installed the MythTV for my ATV4 as soon as I found out about it. Many thanks for it. It is an enabler towards single frontend device in my living room which has been my dream for so long.
>
> Couple of things to make it better for your backlog:
> * UTF8 as default codepage, or possibility to change it, there is life outside ascii :)

This should be fixed in the update that was released last week.

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Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org> kirjoitti 27.4.2016 kello 7.31:
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Jari Seppälä
> <lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I installed the MythTV for my ATV4 as soon as I found out about it. Many thanks for it. It is an enabler towards single frontend device in my living room which has been my dream for so long.
>>
>> Couple of things to make it better for your backlog:
>> * UTF8 as default codepage, or possibility to change it, there is life outside ascii :)
>
> This should be fixed in the update that was released last week.
>
It was fixed in the Beta version.

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> On Apr 27, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Jari Seppälä <lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org> kirjoitti 27.4.2016 kello 7.31:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Jari Seppälä
>> <lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I installed the MythTV for my ATV4 as soon as I found out about it. Many thanks for it. It is an enabler towards single frontend device in my living room which has been my dream for so long.
>>>
>>> Couple of things to make it better for your backlog:
>>> * UTF8 as default codepage, or possibility to change it, there is life outside ascii :)
>>
>> This should be fixed in the update that was released last week.
>>
> It was fixed in the Beta version.
>

Is Live TV ever coming ? That would make this the ultimate front end box for me.

Greg

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> On Apr 27, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Greg Thompson <gthompson20@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Jari Seppälä <lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org> kirjoitti 27.4.2016 kello 7.31:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Jari Seppälä
>>> <lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I installed the MythTV for my ATV4 as soon as I found out about it. Many thanks for it. It is an enabler towards single frontend device in my living room which has been my dream for so long.
>>>>
>>>> Couple of things to make it better for your backlog:
>>>> * UTF8 as default codepage, or possibility to change it, there is life outside ascii :)
>>>
>>> This should be fixed in the update that was released last week.
>>>
>> It was fixed in the Beta version.
>>
>
> Is Live TV ever coming ? That would make this the ultimate front end box for me.

Why not use Channels for Live TV?

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> On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:00 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Greg Thompson <gthompson20@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 12:34 AM, Jari Seppälä <lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org> kirjoitti 27.4.2016 kello 7.31:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Jari Seppälä
>>>> <lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I installed the MythTV for my ATV4 as soon as I found out about it. Many thanks for it. It is an enabler towards single frontend device in my living room which has been my dream for so long.
>>>>>
>>>>> Couple of things to make it better for your backlog:
>>>>> * UTF8 as default codepage, or possibility to change it, there is life outside ascii :)
>>>>
>>>> This should be fixed in the update that was released last week.
>>>>
>>> It was fixed in the Beta version.
>>>
>>
>> Is Live TV ever coming ? That would make this the ultimate front end box for me.
>
> Why not use Channels for Live TV?
>
> Craig


Not everyone is using Silicon Dust Tuner ;)

HD-PVR

Greg

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Is Live TV ever coming ? That would make this the ultimate front end box for me.
>
> Why not use Channels for Live TV?

Live TV is on the list but requires a fix to libVLC that isn't available yet.

Channels is a fine product, but it needs a dedicated HDHR tuner (one
that is not in your MythTV pool) or else it can clobber a recording in
progress. Also, DVR integration is nice so you can start a show live
and have the DVR record the remainder of it if you don't want to
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Bart Whiteley <bart.lists@whiteley.org>
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> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Jari Seppälä
> <lihamakaroonilaatikko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I installed the MythTV for my ATV4 as soon as I found out about it. Many
> thanks for it. It is an enabler towards single frontend device in my living
> room which has been my dream for so long.
> >
> > Couple of things to make it better for your backlog:
> > * UTF8 as default codepage, or possibility to change it, there is life
> outside ascii :)
>
> This should be fixed in the update that was released last week.
>

This Apple TV frontend is by far the easiest option for a MythTV frontend -
which I’m reminded of this week as I’m digging into the configuration of a
couple other mythfrontend systems. It just works, with no complications
in setup.

Bart: Are there any plans to improve the “time shifting” behavior (watching
programs which are currently recording)? For example, watching a ballgame
that I begin 45 minutes after the game starts (a common occurrence for
me). There are problems with the length of the jumps ahead/back, depending
on where I am in the recording. Also, if I exit a recording and then
resume, the point where it resumes is nowhere near the point where I had
left off.

Any chances were going to be able to watch videos using this front end?

Being limited to only watching recordings is a bummer.

App is very nice otherwise.

Using it on my ATV4 now.

What about liveTv?

I have been using this app for a few months and recently updated to
.28. The app no longer works and only displays a green image when you
attempt to play a recording. I'd also love to see commercial
skipping.

I used this exclusively for watching Myth recordings for several months.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Jean-Yves Avenard <jyavenard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any chances were going to be able to watch videos using this front end?
>
> Being limited to only watching recordings is a bummer.
>
> App is very nice otherwise.
>
> Using it on my ATV4 now.
>
> What about liveTv?
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On 15 November 2016 at 09:02, Captain Hook <captainhookzero@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been using this app for a few months and recently updated to
> .28. The app no longer works and only displays a green image when you
> attempt to play a recording. I'd also love to see commercial
> skipping.
>
> I used this exclusively for watching Myth recordings for several months.

it's working here with 0.28..

just missing liveTV and the ability to watch videos other than recordings.
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On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Captain Hook <captainhookzero@gmail.com>
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> I have been using this app for a few months and recently updated to
> .28. The app no longer works and only displays a green image when you
> attempt to play a recording. I'd also love to see commercial
> skipping.
>
> I used this exclusively for watching Myth recordings for several months.
>

Same here.. I just upgraded my old MythTV 0.27 / Ubuntu 14.04 backend to
MythTV 0.28 / Ubuntu 16.04.

The recordings play fine on Kodi and on my TV via UPnP. But, when I try
on the AppleTV MythTV app I get what looks to be corrupted mpeg decoding.
It's a mostly green screen with some blocks of other colors & patterns.


>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Jean-Yves Avenard <jyavenard@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Any chances were going to be able to watch videos using this front end?
> >
> > Being limited to only watching recordings is a bummer.
> >
> > App is very nice otherwise.
> >
> > Using it on my ATV4 now.
> >
> > What about liveTv?
> >
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On 20 November 2016 at 07:19, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Captain Hook <captainhookzero@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have been using this app for a few months and recently updated to
>> .28. The app no longer works and only displays a green image when you
>> attempt to play a recording. I'd also love to see commercial
>> skipping.
>>
>> I used this exclusively for watching Myth recordings for several months.
>>
>
> Same here.. I just upgraded my old MythTV 0.27 / Ubuntu 14.04 backend to
> MythTV 0.28 / Ubuntu 16.04.
>
> The recordings play fine on Kodi and on my TV via UPnP. But, when I try
> on the AppleTV MythTV app I get what looks to be corrupted mpeg decoding.
> It's a mostly green screen with some blocks of other colors & patterns.
>

Sounds like another case of this bug

https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12479

I'm guessing the Apple TV Mythtv App uses HLS transcoding which is
currently broken for some recording types and has been for quite some time
now.

Cheers,

Anthony

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Anthony Giggins <seven@seven.dorksville.net
> wrote:

>
>
> On 20 November 2016 at 07:19, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Captain Hook <captainhookzero@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been using this app for a few months and recently updated to
>>> .28. The app no longer works and only displays a green image when you
>>> attempt to play a recording. I'd also love to see commercial
>>> skipping.
>>>
>>> I used this exclusively for watching Myth recordings for several months.
>>>
>>
>> Same here.. I just upgraded my old MythTV 0.27 / Ubuntu 14.04 backend
>> to MythTV 0.28 / Ubuntu 16.04.
>>
>> The recordings play fine on Kodi and on my TV via UPnP. But, when I try
>> on the AppleTV MythTV app I get what looks to be corrupted mpeg decoding.
>> It's a mostly green screen with some blocks of other colors & patterns.
>>
>
> Sounds like another case of this bug
>
> https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12479
>
> I'm guessing the Apple TV Mythtv App uses HLS transcoding which is
> currently broken for some recording types and has been for quite some time
> now.
>

The author had previously mentioned software decoding of MPEG2 in the app,
so I don't think it relies on transcoding -- and my backend is not fast
enough to transcode HD content.

Now that I have gotten a couple recordings after the 0.28 upgrade, I see
that 0.27 recordings have corrupted playback and 0.28 recordings work fine.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Anthony Giggins <
> seven@seven.dorksville.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 20 November 2016 at 07:19, Tom Harris <thom.j.harris@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Captain Hook <captainhookzero@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been using this app for a few months and recently updated to
>>>> .28. The app no longer works and only displays a green image when you
>>>> attempt to play a recording. I'd also love to see commercial
>>>> skipping.
>>>>
>>>> I used this exclusively for watching Myth recordings for several months.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Same here.. I just upgraded my old MythTV 0.27 / Ubuntu 14.04 backend
>>> to MythTV 0.28 / Ubuntu 16.04.
>>>
>>> The recordings play fine on Kodi and on my TV via UPnP. But, when I
>>> try on the AppleTV MythTV app I get what looks to be corrupted mpeg
>>> decoding. It's a mostly green screen with some blocks of other colors &
>>> patterns.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like another case of this bug
>>
>> https://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12479
>>
>> I'm guessing the Apple TV Mythtv App uses HLS transcoding which is
>> currently broken for some recording types and has been for quite some time
>> now.
>>
>
> The author had previously mentioned software decoding of MPEG2 in the app,
> so I don't think it relies on transcoding -- and my backend is not fast
> enough to transcode HD content.
>
> Now that I have gotten a couple recordings after the 0.28 upgrade, I see
> that 0.27 recordings have corrupted playback and 0.28 recordings work fine.
>
>
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> I had the same issue and was able to "fix" the problem by renaming all of
my raw recording transport streams in .mpg files to .ts and updated the
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