Mailing List Archive

Resubjected: Oversaturated TV-Out
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 12:50:01PM -0500, Matt wrote:
> I like my G400, the only problem that I have with it right now is with
> the color/saturation; red is way too saturated

I have the same issue with my nForce2 M/B. All posts to the nforce linux
boards have been resoundingly ignored, so I have been considering a scan
converter or something equally drastic.

Anyone know a magic bullet for oversaturated TV-Output? Specifically for
nvidia and/or G400's?

Russ
Re: Resubjected: Oversaturated TV-Out [ In reply to ]
Hey Russ,

Supposedly under Win****, there's a setting for Color Correction, so it
either handles it in software (which I doubt), or there's a register you
can call to turn it on -- but once again, NVidia's blatant disrespect of
the GPL (and they're using GNU tools to make!!!) makes it extremely
difficult to figure out which register that is :/..

If you figure it out, let me know.

Cheers,
Aaron

On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:10, Russ Southern wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 12:50:01PM -0500, Matt wrote:
> > I like my G400, the only problem that I have with it right now is with
> > the color/saturation; red is way too saturated
>
> I have the same issue with my nForce2 M/B. All posts to the nforce linux
> boards have been resoundingly ignored, so I have been considering a scan
> converter or something equally drastic.
>
> Anyone know a magic bullet for oversaturated TV-Output? Specifically for
> nvidia and/or G400's?
>
> Russ
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-users mailing list
> mythtv-users@mythtv.org
> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Resubjected: Oversaturated TV-Out [ In reply to ]
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:24, Aaron Stewart wrote:

> Supposedly under Win****, there's a setting for Color Correction, so it
> either handles it in software (which I doubt), or there's a register you
> can call to turn it on -- but once again, NVidia's blatant disrespect of
> the GPL (and they're using GNU tools to make!!!) makes it extremely
> difficult to figure out which register that is :/..
>
> > > I like my G400, the only problem that I have with it right now is with
> > > the color/saturation; red is way too saturated
> >
> > I have the same issue with my nForce2 M/B. All posts to the nforce linux
> > boards have been resoundingly ignored, so I have been considering a scan
> > converter or something equally drastic.
> >
> > Anyone know a magic bullet for oversaturated TV-Output? Specifically for
> > nvidia and/or G400's?

I also have this problem, using the onboard GF4 MX video of a Shuttle
SN41G2. Adjusting the gamma (to 1.45) in XF86Config and playing with the
inputs on my PVR-250 hacks around the issue a little, but not enough. As
a result, recorded video is significantly lower viewing quality than
off-air.

Anyone who knows lots about signals on cables, DACs, those sorts of
things want to comment on what causes this? (Even though it's a little
OT, since if there are generic steps to take it might be useful to many
users.)

Craig.
Re: Resubjected: Oversaturated TV-Out [ In reply to ]
I looked around on the net a bit, lots of references to bleeding,
blooming, oversaturation.

This page, although vague, seems to describe the problem. (red being the
worst for me)

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/info/colorguide.htm

I think the problem is that the DAC's the manufacturers are using on the
video cards are producing voltages that are too high for NTSC or S-video
specs.
Normally, this could easily be corrected with software. However, these
poorly supported or reverse-engineered drivers that we are using lack
that polish.

Now, I'm thinking that the easiest way out may be to do it with
hardware. Those of you who are using S-video out on your card might be
able to stop the problem with a hacked S-video cable using a resistor
attenuation on the chrominance or luminance portion of the cable.
That's pure speculation though, I have no idea what effect that would
have on the picture.

My G400 has no S-video, so I might try something more ambitious. I
might try building this soft-limiter shown in figure 4

http://www.linear.com/pdf/an57.pdf

The schematic looks friendly, and the chip is available from digikey.
It probably won't have the effect that I want it to, but it'll be a
cool experiment anyway.


side note: Figure 12 looks pretty cool too



Craig Paterson wrote:

>On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:24, Aaron Stewart wrote:
>
>>Supposedly under Win****, there's a setting for Color Correction, so it
>>either handles it in software (which I doubt), or there's a register you
>>can call to turn it on -- but once again, NVidia's blatant disrespect of
>>the GPL (and they're using GNU tools to make!!!) makes it extremely
>>difficult to figure out which register that is :/..
>>
>>>>I like my G400, the only problem that I have with it right now is with
>>>>the color/saturation; red is way too saturated
>>>>
>>>I have the same issue with my nForce2 M/B. All posts to the nforce linux
>>>boards have been resoundingly ignored, so I have been considering a scan
>>>converter or something equally drastic.
>>>
>>>Anyone know a magic bullet for oversaturated TV-Output? Specifically for
>>>nvidia and/or G400's?
>>>
>
>I also have this problem, using the onboard GF4 MX video of a Shuttle
>SN41G2. Adjusting the gamma (to 1.45) in XF86Config and playing with the
>inputs on my PVR-250 hacks around the issue a little, but not enough. As
>a result, recorded video is significantly lower viewing quality than
>off-air.
>
>Anyone who knows lots about signals on cables, DACs, those sorts of
>things want to comment on what causes this? (Even though it's a little
>OT, since if there are generic steps to take it might be useful to many
>users.)
>
>Craig.
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>mythtv-users mailing list
>mythtv-users@mythtv.org
>http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>