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You might think this but then look here:
http://interact-tv.com/partners.php and notice that they are partnered
with Zap2It for the data.

Jarrod

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Joseph A. Caputo wrote:

> get our listing data from their guide source... sounds like their data
> is more complete than Zap2It's, too...
>
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looks like they do get it from zap2it:

http://interact-tv.com/partners.php
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph A. Caputo" <jcaputo1@comcast.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:46 AM
Subject: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide


> This is interesting... a couple of thoughts:
>
> http://interact-tv.com/epg.php
>
> (1) good source for feature/layout ideas for the Myth EPG
>
> (2) ...the website says it's 'subscription free'... I wonder if we could
> get our listing data from their guide source... sounds like their data
> is more complete than Zap2It's, too...
>
> -JAC
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Joseph A. Caputo wrote:

> (1) good source for feature/layout ideas for the Myth EPG

Definitely. I like the idea of per-family-member favorites. I'd really like
to see this kind of profile in MythMusic, where I'd listen to certain stuff
when I'm home alone but mix in more of my wife's music and less of my RATM
collection when she's home.

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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Jason Dinkelmann
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:03 AM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide
>
>
> looks like they do get it from zap2it:
>
> http://interact-tv.com/partners.php


Hmmm, okay, but I'll bet they have a better feed (maybe compressed?) than
just scraping the publicly accessible Zap2It page, and I'll bet they have
some kind of standard data format so they don't have to worry about web page
format changes breaking their listings.

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Subscription free probably explains why the box costs 899.00

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Joseph A. Caputo wrote:

>This is interesting... a couple of thoughts:
>
>http://interact-tv.com/epg.php
>
>(1) good source for feature/layout ideas for the Myth EPG
>
>(2) ...the website says it's 'subscription free'... I wonder if we could
>get our listing data from their guide source... sounds like their data
>is more complete than Zap2It's, too...
>
>-JAC
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of
> hayward@slothmud.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:36 AM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide
>
>
>
> Subscription free probably explains why the box costs 899.00
>

Hmmm, yeah... like the Tivo "lifetime subscription", but built in to the
price of the box. Sneaky.

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Not so sneaky, really, but maybe not the recipe for
success. Tivo can sell
boxes at a loss (like the Xbox) and recover later from
subscription fees.
They have an ongoing stream of cash to cover the
ongoing costs of running
the service (with profit left over), and they can
raise that cost as the
market will bear. This makes the cost of entry
bearable for a large number
of consumers.

If the Telly is discontinued and the program schedule
is a proprietary
source for which there is no funding, all the boxes
would lose their
schedule-based programming function.

> >
>
>
>
> Hmmm, yeah... like the Tivo "lifetime subscription",
but built in to the
>
> price of the box. Sneaky.
>
>
>
> -JAC
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I second this notion! No more xmltv or tvgrab_na to worry about.

On 7/16/03 9:46 AM, "Joseph A. Caputo" <jcaputo1@comcast.net> wrote:

> This is interesting... a couple of thoughts:
>
> http://interact-tv.com/epg.php
>
> (1) good source for feature/layout ideas for the Myth EPG
>
> (2) ...the website says it's 'subscription free'... I wonder if we could
> get our listing data from their guide source... sounds like their data
> is more complete than Zap2It's, too...
>
> -JAC
>
>

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Graham Siener wrote:
> I second this notion! No more xmltv or tvgrab_na to worry about.

You can be sure zap2it's getting paid *somehow*...


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Similarly, ATI ships with a program guide as well, and I think it's the
GenStar one (TVGuide).. I'd imagine it's just straight xml, but I never
traced it to see..

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Mark wrote:

> No, reverse engineer it to see if they are getting a compressed feed,
> and if so, is there
> restricted access to it. If not, then it's just like any other website
> content, freely downloadable.
>
>
> Matt wrote:
>
> >You mean steal their Intellectual Property? I dont think that is a good
> >idea.
> >
> >
> >
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I wonder if someone can get their hands on one of these and figure out
how to "borrow" their program listings ;-)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net [mailto:mythtv-users-
> bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Brian Lalor
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:46 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide
>
> Graham Siener wrote:
> > I second this notion! No more xmltv or tvgrab_na to worry about.
>
> You can be sure zap2it's getting paid *somehow*...
>
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Has anyone thought of getting an old TiVo Series 1 with a lifetime sub,
and using it as some sort of guide data server?

After that, would you not be able to server xmltv?

On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 15:34, Joseph H. Fry wrote:
> I wonder if someone can get their hands on one of these and figure out
> how to "borrow" their program listings ;-)
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net [mailto:mythtv-users-
> > bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Brian Lalor
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:46 PM
> > To: Discussion about mythtv
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide
> >
> > Graham Siener wrote:
> > > I second this notion! No more xmltv or tvgrab_na to worry about.
> >
> > You can be sure zap2it's getting paid *somehow*...
> >
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You mean steal their Intellectual Property? I dont think that is a good
idea.


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Joseph H. Fry said:
> I wonder if someone can get their hands on one of these and figure out
> how to "borrow" their program listings ;-)
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net [mailto:mythtv-users-
>> bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Brian Lalor
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:46 PM
>> To: Discussion about mythtv
>> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide
>>
>> Graham Siener wrote:
>> > I second this notion! No more xmltv or tvgrab_na to worry about.
>>
>> You can be sure zap2it's getting paid *somehow*...
>>
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Simple network trace would probably do it, unless its
encrypted.


On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Joseph H. Fry wrote:

> I wonder if someone can get their hands on one of these and figure out
> how to "borrow" their program listings ;-)
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net [mailto:mythtv-users-
> > bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Brian Lalor
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:46 PM
> > To: Discussion about mythtv
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide
> >
> > Graham Siener wrote:
> > > I second this notion! No more xmltv or tvgrab_na to worry about.
> >
> > You can be sure zap2it's getting paid *somehow*...
> >
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No, reverse engineer it to see if they are getting a compressed feed,
and if so, is there
restricted access to it. If not, then it's just like any other website
content, freely downloadable.


Matt wrote:

>You mean steal their Intellectual Property? I dont think that is a good
>idea.
>
>
>
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You know, most cable has some sort of intrinsic guide data already
coming down the coax. I wonder if there would ever be a way to hack a
scientific atlanta or something to get guide data out of it.

Is there an rfc standard for guide data on cable systems?

On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 16:36, Mark wrote:
> No, reverse engineer it to see if they are getting a compressed feed,
> and if so, is there
> restricted access to it. If not, then it's just like any other website
> content, freely downloadable.
>
>
> Matt wrote:
>
> >You mean steal their Intellectual Property? I dont think that is a good
> >idea.
> >
> >
> >
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That _would_ be IP theft (of course, IANAL).

On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:46:41PM -0500, Shawn wrote:
> Has anyone thought of getting an old TiVo Series 1 with a lifetime sub,
> and using it as some sort of guide data server?
>
> After that, would you not be able to server xmltv?
>

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Even if you can accomplish this, you still have data for only one lineup.

> Has anyone thought of getting an old TiVo Series 1 with a lifetime sub,
> and using it as some sort of guide data server?
>
> After that, would you not be able to server xmltv?
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> You know, most cable has some sort of intrinsic guide data already
> coming down the coax. I wonder if there would ever be a way to hack a
> scientific atlanta or something to get guide data out of it.

That online guide thing is crap. Half of the time it's empty, and the
other third of the time it's wrong. It doesn't have future schedule
info, either. Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.

Digital cable is of course something else, but as we've seen time and
again, there are no cards that will do digital cable.

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Has everyone seen the Tribune's (TVData's parent, which owns Zap2it)
website? They offer custom data feeds, so I am sure telly has one.

http://www.tms.tribune.com/products/tvlistings.html

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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide


> No, reverse engineer it to see if they are getting a compressed feed,
> and if so, is there
> restricted access to it. If not, then it's just like any other website
> content, freely downloadable.
>
>
> Matt wrote:
>
> >You mean steal their Intellectual Property? I dont think that is a good
> >idea.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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I imagine it has already been talked about but how about adding some random
pauses to the scrapping of the data - whatever source is settled on? Just to
keep myth users "non-obvious" to the site being used as a source.

Just my 2 femtopennies...


On Wednesday 16 July 2003 02:34 pm, you wrote:
> I second this notion! No more xmltv or tvgrab_na to worry about.
>
> On 7/16/03 9:46 AM, "Joseph A. Caputo" <jcaputo1@comcast.net> wrote:
> > This is interesting... a couple of thoughts:
> >
> > http://interact-tv.com/epg.php
> >
> > (1) good source for feature/layout ideas for the Myth EPG
> >
> > (2) ...the website says it's 'subscription free'... I wonder if we could
> > get our listing data from their guide source... sounds like their data
> > is more complete than Zap2It's, too...
> >
> > -JAC
>
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Wait a sec - if you've already got a Tivo, and you've got TivoWeb
installed on it, you should be able to get the listings using something
like wget thus creating a mythfilldatabasefrommytivo sort of thing...
Thus, I would be using my Tivo Guide listings on both my Tivo (which I
legally own) and my MythTV (which I also legally own). The fact that
Tivo charges for separate licenses per Tivo shouldn't really apply,
right? But then again, IANAL.

-I

On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 16:26, Lan Barnes wrote:
> That _would_ be IP theft (of course, IANAL).
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:46:41PM -0500, Shawn wrote:
> > Has anyone thought of getting an old TiVo Series 1 with a lifetime sub,
> > and using it as some sort of guide data server?
> >
> > After that, would you not be able to server xmltv?
> >
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Lan Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:27 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Telly's Free Program Guide
>
>
> That _would_ be IP theft (of course, IANAL).
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:46:41PM -0500, Shawn wrote:
> > Has anyone thought of getting an old TiVo Series 1 with a lifetime sub,
> > and using it as some sort of guide data server?
> >
> > After that, would you not be able to server xmltv?


Yes, but... it would be nice to find a way to do it, for those people that
do have a Tivo subscription (lifetime or otherwise), it would not be IP
theft for them to use the guide data for themselves. Even if the Tivo unit
itself died, a lifetime subscription would still give you access to the
guide data. Of course, I'm not going to plunk down USD$300 for a lifetime
Tivo subscription (plus the hardware), but if I already had one I'd want to
be able to use the data.

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I would think it would be better to modify mythtv to get guide data from
sources that were intended for the person using the mythtv box. I.E.
getting the guide data directly from the program guide on the digital
cable box, the cable networks tv guide channel or from vbi information in
areas where television listings are sent in the vbi.

I'm thinking something along the lines of mythtv releasing the video
device and running an external script when it is not recording. The
external script could tune to the channel with the listings, grab a video
capture of the guide screen, ocr, parse the information, insert into
database, have the cable box move to the next page, repeat. Of course
mythtv would have to have some means of stopping the script from running
and different scripts would be needed for different sat/cable boxes, but
the listing format isn't likely to change and it would have the listings
for the user of the mythtv box. I've thought about doing this, but I want
to get the installer into a usable state before I look at tackling this.

> This is interesting... a couple of thoughts:
>
> http://interact-tv.com/epg.php
>
> (1) good source for feature/layout ideas for the Myth EPG
>
> (2) ...the website says it's 'subscription free'... I wonder if we could
> get our listing data from their guide source... sounds like their data
> is more complete than Zap2It's, too...

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