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Documentation idea - was howIdidit: Debian+Myth from scratch using mdz'spkgs
What do you guys think about adding a wiki to the mythtv site for more informal documentation (have a look at,say, squirrelmail to see someone else use this).

I can setup a demo wiki (twiki is my preferred choice because it allows pictures to be added fairly easily) to show you why it is a feasible method.

The idea is that it is slightly more structured than a forum (personally I find these very useful, but you have to read and digest a lot to find the answer). But it is less structured than the professional docs that get put on the main documentation website.

The idea of a wiki is that every page has an edit link and so it is easy to update it and add to it. For example if we have a "Success Stories" page, then people could easily add to it, and because it is more like documentation it should be slightly easier than say reading through the forum thread on this mailing list about success stories.

However, we would still keep discussion here on the mailing list. The point is that the mailing list tends to contain huge nuggets of gold, but it is quite well watered down by each preceding discussion before it is solved. Having something like the wiki would give people a place to jot down the conclusions easily perhaps...

Any comments?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Lou [mailto:dlou99@yahoo.com]
Sent: 09 April 2003 06:25
To: mythtv-users@snowman.net
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] howIdidit: Debian+Myth from scratch using
mdz'spkgs



>If you found more information or can clarify
confusing info
>in the docs, you should contribute your additions,
suggestions
>and corrections to the documentation that is included
in the
>distribution. Storing your information on a separate
website
>may not in the best interests of new users of MythTV.

If there was anything that was confusing, it was that
the documentation
seemed mainly geared towards those building Myth from
the sources
and the Debian packages seemed to need a bit of
undocumented groundwork
prior to installing/running. Doing an "apt-get
install mythtv" on
a minimal base Debian installation wasn't very
productive for me!

>Clearly you believe this information can be useful so
please
>consider giving something back to the project by
contributing
>to the documentation so that your advice can be
accessible
>to the intended audience.

As for the me believing the information can be useful,
I had never really
considered widespread distribution until I read Tom's
requests for
"How I Did It" notes. The comments and suggestions I
was soliciting
was on how I could achieve a better installation
and/or configuration,
not on how to improve what I wrote. As for being
added to Robert's docs
(he's the guy that wrote the HOWTO on mythtv.org,
right?), I'm not sure
that's the right place. It seems that a lot of what I
went through was
specific to mdz's Debian packages. An installation
procedure specific to
those packages would probably be better accompanying
those packages, or
perhaps contained in the package.
Re: Documentation idea - was howIdidit: Debian+Myth from scratch using mdz'spkgs [ In reply to ]
I think this is a great idea, I will second that!

--Ken


Quoting Edward Wildgoose <Edward.Wildgoose@frmhedge.com>:

> What do you guys think about adding a wiki to the mythtv site for more
> informal documentation (have a look at,say, squirrelmail to see someone else
> use this).
>
> I can setup a demo wiki (twiki is my preferred choice because it allows
> pictures to be added fairly easily) to show you why it is a feasible
> method.
>
> The idea is that it is slightly more structured than a forum (personally I
> find these very useful, but you have to read and digest a lot to find the
> answer). But it is less structured than the professional docs that get put
> on the main documentation website.
>
> The idea of a wiki is that every page has an edit link and so it is easy to
> update it and add to it. For example if we have a "Success Stories" page,
> then people could easily add to it, and because it is more like documentation
> it should be slightly easier than say reading through the forum thread on
> this mailing list about success stories.
>
> However, we would still keep discussion here on the mailing list. The point
> is that the mailing list tends to contain huge nuggets of gold, but it is
> quite well watered down by each preceding discussion before it is solved.
> Having something like the wiki would give people a place to jot down the
> conclusions easily perhaps...
>
> Any comments?
Re: Documentation idea - was howIdidit: Debian+Myth from scratch using mdz'spkgs [ In reply to ]
Sounds great!




Ken VanDine
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I think this is a great idea, I will second that!

--Ken


Quoting Edward Wildgoose <Edward.Wildgoose@frmhedge.com>:

> What do you guys think about adding a wiki to the mythtv site for more
> informal documentation (have a look at,say, squirrelmail to see someone else
> use this).
>
> I can setup a demo wiki (twiki is my preferred choice because it allows
> pictures to be added fairly easily) to show you why it is a feasible
> method.
>
> The idea is that it is slightly more structured than a forum (personally I
> find these very useful, but you have to read and digest a lot to find the
> answer). But it is less structured than the professional docs that get put
> on the main documentation website.
>
> The idea of a wiki is that every page has an edit link and so it is easy to
> update it and add to it. For example if we have a "Success Stories" page,
> then people could easily add to it, and because it is more like documentation
> it should be slightly easier than say reading through the forum thread on
> this mailing list about success stories.
>
> However, we would still keep discussion here on the mailing list. The point
> is that the mailing list tends to contain huge nuggets of gold, but it is
> quite well watered down by each preceding discussion before it is solved.
> Having something like the wiki would give people a place to jot down the
> conclusions easily perhaps...
>
> Any comments?
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Re: Documentation idea - was howIdidit: Debian+Myth from scratch using mdz'spkgs [ In reply to ]
I for one think wikis can be abused too easily and are somewhat
unorganized. I like a Forum-based method better with registered users
(most commercial software i.e. Snapstream, ShowShifter, etc. have forums
for discussing) so that there is some accountability to what gets posted
and there is an easier way to read through threads. Mailing-list traffic
is somewhat high-volume for this list, and even though I use procmail to
filter my mail, it is still more convenient to say ignore an entire thread
in a forum than to skip through about 20 emails that have the same subject.
Of course there is the whole different mindset of going to a website to
check for new messages and posting replies as opposed to just checking your
mail and replying to interesting topics. Either one is valid in this case
and each has its pros/cons. Just my two cents.

I would like to help in the Documentation project except I haven't gotten
my system to work yet! :-) BTW - if the mythtv.org site wants to offload
traffic for a Forum, I already have one setup on my site which they can
just link to, or I can create a new one specific to MythTV. Granted, the
MythTV developers could just install the forum software on the official
website, but maybe they are too busy to maintain it. It doesn't hurt to
offer - I hope. Of course, it would be much more useful if people actually
registered on my site. :)



--On Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:13 AM +0100 Edward Wildgoose
<Edward.Wildgoose@FRMHedge.com> wrote:

> What do you guys think about adding a wiki to the mythtv site for more
> informal documentation (have a look at,say, squirrelmail to see someone
> else use this).
>
> I can setup a demo wiki (twiki is my preferred choice because it allows
> pictures to be added fairly easily) to show you why it is a feasible
> method.
>
> The idea is that it is slightly more structured than a forum (personally
> I find these very useful, but you have to read and digest a lot to find
> the answer). But it is less structured than the professional docs that
> get put on the main documentation website.
>
> The idea of a wiki is that every page has an edit link and so it is easy
> to update it and add to it. For example if we have a "Success Stories"
> page, then people could easily add to it, and because it is more like
> documentation it should be slightly easier than say reading through the
> forum thread on this mailing list about success stories.
>
> However, we would still keep discussion here on the mailing list. The
> point is that the mailing list tends to contain huge nuggets of gold, but
> it is quite well watered down by each preceding discussion before it is
> solved. Having something like the wiki would give people a place to jot
> down the conclusions easily perhaps...
>
> Any comments?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Lou [mailto:dlou99@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 09 April 2003 06:25
> To: mythtv-users@snowman.net
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] howIdidit: Debian+Myth from scratch using
> mdz'spkgs
>
>
>
>> If you found more information or can clarify
> confusing info
>> in the docs, you should contribute your additions,
> suggestions
>> and corrections to the documentation that is included
> in the
>> distribution. Storing your information on a separate
> website
>> may not in the best interests of new users of MythTV.
>
> If there was anything that was confusing, it was that
> the documentation
> seemed mainly geared towards those building Myth from
> the sources
> and the Debian packages seemed to need a bit of
> undocumented groundwork
> prior to installing/running. Doing an "apt-get
> install mythtv" on
> a minimal base Debian installation wasn't very
> productive for me!
>
>> Clearly you believe this information can be useful so
> please
>> consider giving something back to the project by
> contributing
>> to the documentation so that your advice can be
> accessible
>> to the intended audience.
>
> As for the me believing the information can be useful,
> I had never really
> considered widespread distribution until I read Tom's
> requests for
> "How I Did It" notes. The comments and suggestions I
> was soliciting
> was on how I could achieve a better installation
> and/or configuration,
> not on how to improve what I wrote. As for being
> added to Robert's docs
> (he's the guy that wrote the HOWTO on mythtv.org,
> right?), I'm not sure
> that's the right place. It seems that a lot of what I
> went through was
> specific to mdz's Debian packages. An installation
> procedure specific to
> those packages would probably be better accompanying
> those packages, or
> perhaps contained in the package.
>
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-users mailing list
> mythtv-users@snowman.net
> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: Documentation idea - was howIdidit: Debian+Myth from scratch using mdz'spkgs [ In reply to ]
On Wednesday 09 April 2003 05:13 am, Edward Wildgoose wrote:
> What do you guys think about adding a wiki to the mythtv site for more
> informal documentation (have a look at,say, squirrelmail to see someone
> else use this).

I _really_ dislike wikis.

Isaac
Re: Documentation idea - was howIdidit: Debian+Myth from scratch using mdz'spkgs [ In reply to ]
Hehe...glad to see I'm not the only one.

--On Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:47 AM -0400 Isaac Richards
<ijr@po.cwru.edu> wrote:

> On Wednesday 09 April 2003 05:13 am, Edward Wildgoose wrote:
>> What do you guys think about adding a wiki to the mythtv site for more
>> informal documentation (have a look at,say, squirrelmail to see someone
>> else use this).
>
> I _really_ dislike wikis.
>
> Isaac
>
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