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Hi Micah,

Two questions...

1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that or would
you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?

2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another $180 or so
for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and then add a CPU
fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it with a Celeron?

Thanks,
JC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and SPDIF Out!


> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set up
> at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these things
> cheap-o!! Here's the link
>
> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>
> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting a
> couple of these.
>
> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a mythtv
> enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things and make a
> really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they have coaxial
> tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its a shared port
> that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers online for their
> video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support goes).
>
> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get one of
> these boards.
>
> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they look
> fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>
> --Micah Morton
> --micah@oregontech.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-users mailing list
> mythtv-users@snowman.net
> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>
>

A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to 355.

Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.

Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA motherboard.

--Micah Morton


> Hi Micah,
>
> Two questions...
>
> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that or
> would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>
> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another $180
> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and then
> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
> with a Celeron?
>
> Thanks,
> JC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and SPDIF
> Out!
>
>
>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set
>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these
>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>
>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>
>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting
>> a couple of these.
>>
>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they
>> have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its
>> a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers
>> online for their video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support
>> goes).
>>
>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>> one of these boards.
>>
>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they
>> look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>
>> --Micah Morton
>> --micah@oregontech.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> mythtv-users mailing list
>> mythtv-users@snowman.net
>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>
>>
>
>
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Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can be
used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)

--On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
<micah@oregontech.net> wrote:

> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to 355.
>
> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
>
> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA motherboard.
>
> --Micah Morton
>
>
>> Hi Micah,
>>
>> Two questions...
>>
>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that or
>> would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>>
>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another $180
>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and then
>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
>> with a Celeron?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JC
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and SPDIF
>> Out!
>>
>>
>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set
>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these
>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>>
>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>>
>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting
>>> a couple of these.
>>>
>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they
>>> have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its
>>> a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers
>>> online for their video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support
>>> goes).
>>>
>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>>> one of these boards.
>>>
>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they
>>> look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>>
>>> --Micah Morton
>>> --micah@oregontech.net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>> mythtv-users@snowman.net
>>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>
>
>
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you might try this

http://www.directron.com/v2000.html

or this (can be laid on its side)

http://www.directron.com/a340a.html

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can be
used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)

--On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
<micah@oregontech.net> wrote:

> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to 355.
>
> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
>
> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA motherboard.
>
> --Micah Morton
>
>
>> Hi Micah,
>>
>> Two questions...
>>
>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that or
>> would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>>
>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another $180
>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and then
>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
>> with a Celeron?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JC
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and SPDIF
>> Out!
>>
>>
>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set
>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these
>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>>
>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>>
>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting
>>> a couple of these.
>>>
>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they
>>> have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its
>>> a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers
>>> online for their video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support
>>> goes).
>>>
>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>>> one of these boards.
>>>
>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they
>>> look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>>
>>> --Micah Morton
>>> --micah@oregontech.net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>> mythtv-users@snowman.net
>>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> mythtv-users@snowman.net
>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>
>
>
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Unfortunately, we get back to the "low profile tuner card issue"(tm) as
both those cases have 4 lp slots.

So, I'll ask... Does anyone know of a low profile tuner with decent v4l
support that also works with btaudio? ;-)

--Mike

On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 10:49 AM, Brad Sagowitz wrote:

> you might try this
>
> http://www.directron.com/v2000.html
>
> or this (can be laid on its side)
>
> http://www.directron.com/a340a.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can
> be
> used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)
>
> --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
> <micah@oregontech.net> wrote:
>
>> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to
>> 355.
>>
>> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
>> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
>>
>> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA
>> motherboard.
>>
>> --Micah Morton
>>
>>
>>> Hi Micah,
>>>
>>> Two questions...
>>>
>>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that or
>>> would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>>>
>>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another
>>> $180
>>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and
>>> then
>>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
>>> with a Celeron?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JC
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
>>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and SPDIF
>>> Out!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account
>>>> set
>>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell
>>>> these
>>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>>>
>>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>>>
>>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in
>>>> getting
>>>> a couple of these.
>>>>
>>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they
>>>> have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where
>>>> its
>>>> a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers
>>>> online for their video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out
>>>> support
>>>> goes).
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>>>> one of these boards.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they
>>>> look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>>>
>>>> --Micah Morton
>>>> --micah@oregontech.net

ahhh sorry... there is a problem with the last two... they only accept
half-height cards. So your tv tuner is out.

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Brad Sagowitz
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:50 PM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


you might try this

http://www.directron.com/v2000.html

or this (can be laid on its side)

http://www.directron.com/a340a.html

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can be
used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)

--On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
<micah@oregontech.net> wrote:

> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to 355.
>
> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
>
> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA motherboard.
>
> --Micah Morton
>
>
>> Hi Micah,
>>
>> Two questions...
>>
>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that or
>> would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>>
>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another $180
>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and then
>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
>> with a Celeron?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JC
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and SPDIF
>> Out!
>>
>>
>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set
>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these
>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>>
>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>>
>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting
>>> a couple of these.
>>>
>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they
>>> have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its
>>> a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers
>>> online for their video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support
>>> goes).
>>>
>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>>> one of these boards.
>>>
>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they
>>> look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>>
>>> --Micah Morton
>>> --micah@oregontech.net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>> mythtv-users@snowman.net
>>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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>
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> So, I'll ask... Does anyone know of a low profile tuner with decent v4l
> support that also works with btaudio? ;-)

Well, funny you should ask that. I just noticed a bit of action on avsforum.com about best quality tv cards, and the consensus there was the flyview cards based on the saa7*** chipset were easily the best (their opinion not mine). Seeing as there appears to be a v4l driver available from the usual place I was going to ask if anyone had tried these and could report on quality?

The interesting point would be that they make a normal and a low profile version of each card. However, I don't know whether there is an equivalent of btaudio or not...

Thanks for the link. I looked at the other cases and this one with the PCI
riser card would work with any tuner card I guess. Although it's not quite
as cool looking as the others.

http://www.directron.com/2699r.html



--On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:00 PM -0500 Brad Sagowitz
<sagz@sagz.dynip.com> wrote:

> ahhh sorry... there is a problem with the last two... they only accept
> half-height cards. So your tv tuner is out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Brad Sagowitz
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:50 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> you might try this
>
> http://www.directron.com/v2000.html
>
> or this (can be laid on its side)
>
> http://www.directron.com/a340a.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can be
> used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)
>
> --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
> <micah@oregontech.net> wrote:
>
>> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to 355.
>>
>> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
>> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
>>
>> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA
>> motherboard.
>>
>> --Micah Morton
>>
>>
>>> Hi Micah,
>>>
>>> Two questions...
>>>
>>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that or
>>> would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>>>
>>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another $180
>>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and then
>>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
>>> with a Celeron?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JC
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
>>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and SPDIF
>>> Out!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set
>>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these
>>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>>>
>>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>>>
>>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting
>>>> a couple of these.
>>>>
>>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they
>>>> have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its
>>>> a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers
>>>> online for their video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support
>>>> goes).
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>>>> one of these boards.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they
>>>> look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>>>
>>>> --Micah Morton
>>>> --micah@oregontech.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> mythtv-users mailing list
>>>> mythtv-users@snowman.net
>>>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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This is the one I used
http://www.atoponline.com/product.asp?Type_ID=30&id=BY4-03
It takes one full height card sideways.

Cheers...

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Michael Peay
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:59 AM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


Unfortunately, we get back to the "low profile tuner card issue"(tm) as
both those cases have 4 lp slots.

So, I'll ask... Does anyone know of a low profile tuner with decent v4l
support that also works with btaudio? ;-)

--Mike

On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 10:49 AM, Brad Sagowitz wrote:

> you might try this
>
> http://www.directron.com/v2000.html
>
> or this (can be laid on its side)
>
> http://www.directron.com/a340a.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can
> be
> used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)
>
> --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
> <micah@oregontech.net> wrote:
>
>> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to
>> 355.
>>
>> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
>> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
>>
>> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA
>> motherboard.
>>
>> --Micah Morton
>>
>>
>>> Hi Micah,
>>>
>>> Two questions...
>>>
>>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that
>>> or would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>>>
>>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another
>>> $180
>>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and
>>> then
>>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
>>> with a Celeron?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JC
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
>>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
>>> SPDIF Out!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account
>>>> set
>>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell
>>>> these
>>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>>>
>>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>>>
>>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in
>>>> getting
>>>> a couple of these.
>>>>
>>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the

>>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a

>>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things

>>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that
>>>> they have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA,
>>>> where its a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has
>>>> linux drivers online for their video (which I am unsure of as far
>>>> as tv-out support
>>>> goes).
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get

>>>> one of these boards.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but
>>>> they look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>>>
>>>> --Micah Morton
>>>> --micah@oregontech.net

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You can find that cheaper here. FYI

http://www.caseoutlet.com/case/2699/CS-2699.html

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Adrian Burden
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:12 PM
To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


This is the one I used
http://www.atoponline.com/product.asp?Type_ID=30&id=BY4-03
It takes one full height card sideways.

Cheers...

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Michael Peay
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:59 AM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


Unfortunately, we get back to the "low profile tuner card issue"(tm) as
both those cases have 4 lp slots.

So, I'll ask... Does anyone know of a low profile tuner with decent v4l
support that also works with btaudio? ;-)

--Mike

On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 10:49 AM, Brad Sagowitz wrote:

> you might try this
>
> http://www.directron.com/v2000.html
>
> or this (can be laid on its side)
>
> http://www.directron.com/a340a.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can
> be
> used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)
>
> --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
> <micah@oregontech.net> wrote:
>
>> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to
>> 355.
>>
>> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
>> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
>>
>> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA
>> motherboard.
>>
>> --Micah Morton
>>
>>
>>> Hi Micah,
>>>
>>> Two questions...
>>>
>>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that
>>> or would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>>>
>>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another
>>> $180
>>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and
>>> then
>>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
>>> with a Celeron?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JC
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
>>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
>>> SPDIF Out!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account
>>>> set
>>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell
>>>> these
>>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>>>
>>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>>>
>>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in
>>>> getting
>>>> a couple of these.
>>>>
>>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the

>>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a

>>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things

>>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that
>>>> they have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA,
>>>> where its a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has
>>>> linux drivers online for their video (which I am unsure of as far
>>>> as tv-out support
>>>> goes).
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get

>>>> one of these boards.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but
>>>> they look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>>>
>>>> --Micah Morton
>>>> --micah@oregontech.net

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$80 for this case:

http://www.mb.digitalpowerhouse.net/brochure/clio_data.htm


On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 11:22, Brad Sagowitz wrote:

> You can find that cheaper here. FYI
>
> http://www.caseoutlet.com/case/2699/CS-2699.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Adrian Burden
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:12 PM
> To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
> Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> This is the one I used
> http://www.atoponline.com/product.asp?Type_ID=30&id=BY4-03
> It takes one full height card sideways.
>
> Cheers...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Michael Peay
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:59 AM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> Unfortunately, we get back to the "low profile tuner card issue"(tm) as
> both those cases have 4 lp slots.
>
> So, I'll ask... Does anyone know of a low profile tuner with decent v4l
> support that also works with btaudio? ;-)
>
> --Mike
>
> On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 10:49 AM, Brad Sagowitz wrote:
>
> > you might try this
> >
> > http://www.directron.com/v2000.html
> >
> > or this (can be laid on its side)
> >
> > http://www.directron.com/a340a.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
> > To: Discussion about mythtv
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> > SPDIF Out!
> >
> >
> > Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can
> > be
> > used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)
> >
> > --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
> > <micah@oregontech.net> wrote:
> >
> >> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to
> >> 355.
> >>
> >> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
> >> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
> >>
> >> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA
> >> motherboard.
> >>
> >> --Micah Morton
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Micah,
> >>>
> >>> Two questions...
> >>>
> >>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that
> >>> or would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
> >>>
> >>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another
> >>> $180
> >>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and
> >>> then
> >>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
> >>> with a Celeron?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> JC
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
> >>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
> >>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> >>> SPDIF Out!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account
> >>>> set
> >>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell
> >>>> these
> >>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
> >>>>
> >>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in
> >>>> getting
> >>>> a couple of these.
> >>>>
> >>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>
> >>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>
> >>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>
> >>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that
> >>>> they have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA,
> >>>> where its a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has
> >>>> linux drivers online for their video (which I am unsure of as far
> >>>> as tv-out support
> >>>> goes).
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>
> >>>> one of these boards.
> >>>>
> >>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but
> >>>> they look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
> >>>>
> >>>> --Micah Morton
> >>>> --micah@oregontech.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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--
Merle Reine <merle.reine@lindows.com>
Lindows.com Hardware Certification

Atoponline.com is in $CDN, so works out to about the same.

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Brad Sagowitz
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


You can find that cheaper here. FYI

http://www.caseoutlet.com/case/2699/CS-2699.html

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Adrian Burden
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:12 PM
To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


This is the one I used
http://www.atoponline.com/product.asp?Type_ID=30&id=BY4-03
It takes one full height card sideways.

Cheers...

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Michael Peay
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:59 AM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
SPDIF Out!


Unfortunately, we get back to the "low profile tuner card issue"(tm) as
both those cases have 4 lp slots.

So, I'll ask... Does anyone know of a low profile tuner with decent v4l
support that also works with btaudio? ;-)

--Mike

On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 10:49 AM, Brad Sagowitz wrote:

> you might try this
>
> http://www.directron.com/v2000.html
>
> or this (can be laid on its side)
>
> http://www.directron.com/a340a.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: Discussion about mythtv
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can
> be used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)
>
> --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
> <micah@oregontech.net> wrote:
>
>> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to
>> 355.
>>
>> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
>> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
>>
>> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA
>> motherboard.
>>
>> --Micah Morton
>>
>>
>>> Hi Micah,
>>>
>>> Two questions...
>>>
>>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that
>>> or would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
>>>
>>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another
>>> $180 or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410
>>> (and then
>>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
>>> with a Celeron?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> JC
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
>>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
>>> SPDIF Out!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account
>>>> set up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now
>>>> sell these
>>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>>>
>>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>>>
>>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in
>>>> getting a couple of these.
>>>>
>>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the

>>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a

>>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things

>>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that
>>>> they have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA,
>>>> where its a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has
>>>> linux drivers online for their video (which I am unsure of as far
>>>> as tv-out support
>>>> goes).
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get

>>>> one of these boards.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but
>>>> they look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>>>
>>>> --Micah Morton
>>>> --micah@oregontech.net

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Now this is perfect! Where can you buy it? They don't seem to sell it
directly....

--On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:37 AM -0700 Merle Reine
<merle.reine@lindows.com> wrote:

> http://www.mb.digitalpowerhouse.net/brochure/clio_data.htm

It will be out by the 15th of the month. I will find out from the
vendor where it will be available. I have one in house and it is
awesome.

On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 12:05, Iohan Reyes wrote:

> Now this is perfect! Where can you buy it? They don't seem to sell it
> directly....
>
> --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:37 AM -0700 Merle Reine
> <merle.reine@lindows.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.mb.digitalpowerhouse.net/brochure/clio_data.htm
>
>
>
>
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Lindows.com Hardware Certification

Since we're drifting towards micro-atx, I went with this one:

http://store.yahoo.com/directron/d500n.html

Only $39 US. Full height slots. My only two complaints are that it is
deeper than it needs to be and the power supply fan is too loud.

--Mike

On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Merle Reine wrote:

> $80 for this case:
>
> http://www.mb.digitalpowerhouse.net/brochure/clio_data.htm
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 11:22, Brad Sagowitz wrote:
>
> You can find that cheaper here. FYI
>
> http://www.caseoutlet.com/case/2699/CS-2699.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Adrian Burden
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:12 PM
> To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
> Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> SPDIF Out!
>
>
> This is the one I used
> http://www.atoponline.com/product.asp?Type_ID=30&id=BY4-03
> It takes one full height card sideways.
>
> Cheers...

Could some comment as to the TVOUT status of this board. I have been very
disappointed in this area with the disparity of support. For example
the Epia 800 has mediocre TVOUT support. Magenta and blue bars.

The AGP ATI Radeon VE board I have seems to work well though.

Can anyone comment on this board and other Epias?

Thanks

>
> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set up
> at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these things
> cheap-o!! Here's the link
>
> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>
> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting a
> couple of these.
>
> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a mythtv
> enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things and make a
> really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they have coaxial
> tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its a shared port
> that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers online for their
> video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support goes).
>
> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get one of
> these boards.
>
> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they look
> fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>
> --Micah Morton
> --micah@oregontech.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mythtv-users mailing list
> mythtv-users@snowman.net
> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>
>
>
>

This board has the Chrontel CH7011 chipset and should be very much more
supported than the VIA tv-out. Might not be up to par with Conexant
chipsets, but chrontel I believe is much more versatile than the VIA.

All Epias are VIA.. this board is NOT, by any standard, an Epia...

--Micah

> Could some comment as to the TVOUT status of this board. I have been
> very disappointed in this area with the disparity of support. For
> example the Epia 800 has mediocre TVOUT support. Magenta and blue bars.
>
> The AGP ATI Radeon VE board I have seems to work well though.
>
> Can anyone comment on this board and other Epias?
>
> Thanks
>
>>
>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set
>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these
>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>>
>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>>
>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting
>> a couple of these.
>>
>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they
>> have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its
>> a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers
>> online for their video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support
>> goes).
>>
>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>> one of these boards.
>>
>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they
>> look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>>
>> --Micah Morton
>> --micah@oregontech.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> mythtv-users mailing list
>> mythtv-users@snowman.net
>> http://lists.snowman.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Agreed, it also consumes power just like any desktop PC though.

VIA is around 20 watts, where garden variety x86 +/- 2 GHz is around 80 watts.

>
> This board has the Chrontel CH7011 chipset and should be very much more
> supported than the VIA tv-out. Might not be up to par with Conexant
> chipsets, but chrontel I believe is much more versatile than the VIA.
>
> All Epias are VIA.. this board is NOT, by any standard, an Epia...
>
> --Micah
>
> > Could some comment as to the TVOUT status of this board. I have been
> > very disappointed in this area with the disparity of support. For
> > example the Epia 800 has mediocre TVOUT support. Magenta and blue bars.
> >
> > The AGP ATI Radeon VE board I have seems to work well though.
> >
> > Can anyone comment on this board and other Epias?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >>
> >> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account set
> >> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell these
> >> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
> >>
> >> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
> >>
> >> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in getting
> >> a couple of these.
> >>
> >> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
> >> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
> >> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
> >> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that they
> >> have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA, where its
> >> a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has linux drivers
> >> online for their video (which I am unsure of as far as tv-out support
> >> goes).
> >>
> >> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
> >> one of these boards.
> >>
> >> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but they
> >> look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
> >>
> >> --Micah Morton
> >> --micah@oregontech.net
> >>
> >>
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What is your point exactly? This 170mmx170mm motherboard could perform
both encoding and decoding simultaneously whereas the EPIA can barely make
it as a front end only.

There are sacrifices for speed... POWER... either way you slice it, you
will burn the same amount of power. If you have a desktop PC doing the
encoding, and an Epia doing the decoding, you are burning MORE...

Just seems 10x more viable for a home consumer who wants an all-in-one
solution. Nobody wants to fiddle around with networking to get something
like this to work when they can have it all in one.. Hence TiVo's sucess.

And if you so desire to make it a front end only machine, it will be an
AWESOME front end.. however, it will burn more than the epia in power, it
will also do more.


--Micah Morton

PS. am i totally out of line?
> Agreed, it also consumes power just like any desktop PC though.
>
> VIA is around 20 watts, where garden variety x86 +/- 2 GHz is around 80
> watts.
>
>>
>> This board has the Chrontel CH7011 chipset and should be very much
>> more supported than the VIA tv-out. Might not be up to par with
>> Conexant chipsets, but chrontel I believe is much more versatile than
>> the VIA.
>>
>> All Epias are VIA.. this board is NOT, by any standard, an Epia...
>>
>> --Micah
>>
>> > Could some comment as to the TVOUT status of this board. I have
>> been very disappointed in this area with the disparity of support.
>> For example the Epia 800 has mediocre TVOUT support. Magenta and
>> blue bars.
>> >
>> > The AGP ATI Radeon VE board I have seems to work well though.
>> >
>> > Can anyone comment on this board and other Epias?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account
>> set up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now
>> sell these things cheap-o!! Here's the link
>> >>
>> >> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
>> >>
>> >> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in
>> getting a couple of these.
>> >>
>> >> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that
>> they have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA,
>> where its a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has
>> linux drivers online for their video (which I am unsure of as far
>> as tv-out support goes).
>> >>
>> >> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
>> one of these boards.
>> >>
>> >> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but
>> they look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
>> >>
>> >> --Micah Morton
>> >> --micah@oregontech.net
>> >>
>> >>
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> What is your point exactly? This 170mmx170mm motherboard could perform
> both encoding and decoding simultaneously whereas the EPIA can barely make
> it as a front end only.

My point EXACTLY, is that I want the best of both worlds. As so does
Intel and AMD, thats why they are developing low power solutions.

I haven't tried the 1 GHz Epia, but I will assume that it can do much
more than a FE. My 800 is a passable FE, just doesn't do well with DVD
bitrate.


> Just seems 10x more viable for a home consumer who wants an all-in-one
> solution. Nobody wants to fiddle around with networking to get something
> like this to work when they can have it all in one.. Hence TiVo's sucess.

TiVo's success is also based on a hardware codec. It also consumes very
little power as well (~30 watts).


> And if you so desire to make it a front end only machine, it will be an
> AWESOME front end.. however, it will burn more than the epia in power, it
> will also do more.

If you have 5 of these in your household, it *is* a big deal.

YMMV

Right, you want the best of both worlds, but as people have previously
stated: The epia just doesn't cut it. TV out is horrible, driver support
is horrible (though getting better I hear). With the current products on
the market, you either DON'T get the best of both worlds. You either wait
for new technology, or take what you are given. Could take a year or so
for an intel based motherboard that is low power enough for your
standards. Yes, they have the centrino chip.. but it is and will be for a
year or so only a laptop board.

Most users aren't going to need 5 household PVR devices. And those who do,
should use a desktop for encoding and epias for decoding.

You shouldn't have higher standards than reality can give you.

PS. I'm not trying to plug these boards, because I'm not making any money
on them. I just thought that they would help somebody out.

--Micah

>> What is your point exactly? This 170mmx170mm motherboard could
>> perform both encoding and decoding simultaneously whereas the EPIA can
>> barely make it as a front end only.
>
> My point EXACTLY, is that I want the best of both worlds. As so does
> Intel and AMD, thats why they are developing low power solutions.
>
> I haven't tried the 1 GHz Epia, but I will assume that it can do much
> more than a FE. My 800 is a passable FE, just doesn't do well with
> DVD bitrate.
>
>
>> Just seems 10x more viable for a home consumer who wants an all-in-one
>> solution. Nobody wants to fiddle around with networking to get
>> something like this to work when they can have it all in one.. Hence
>> TiVo's sucess.
>
> TiVo's success is also based on a hardware codec. It also consumes
> very little power as well (~30 watts).
>
>
>> And if you so desire to make it a front end only machine, it will be
>> an AWESOME front end.. however, it will burn more than the epia in
>> power, it will also do more.
>
> If you have 5 of these in your household, it *is* a big deal.
>
> YMMV
>
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And all that wattage impacts cooling, which impacts
sound. The P4 runs without a cooler, albeit slowly.
Is a P4 without a fan still faster than a VIA C3?


On Apr 08, at 15:07, usenet@wingert.org encoded a 2.7K recording:
> VIA is around 20 watts, where garden variety x86 +/- 2 GHz is around 80
> watts.

Well, either one might as well be a paperwieght... Turn the volume up to
compensate for fan noise.. :)

--Micah

> And all that wattage impacts cooling, which impacts
> sound. The P4 runs without a cooler, albeit slowly.
> Is a P4 without a fan still faster than a VIA C3?
>
>
> On Apr 08, at 15:07, usenet@wingert.org encoded a 2.7K recording:
>> VIA is around 20 watts, where garden variety x86 +/- 2 GHz is around
>> 80 watts.
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OMG - this would be PERFECT! Even down to an LCD so you can do things
like print out the show name (rip it out of xml), dvd time, movie/dvd
title ... ooooooh. *evil grin*

Great find! As soon as I have resources to do this (read: not broke),
I'll have to throw together a PVR box without an ATI AIW card and run
MythTV ... or maybe get 3 low-profile cards, for record-watch-PIP action.
:)

Thanks!

Chris


On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Merle Reine wrote:

> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:37:33 -0700
> From: Merle Reine <merle.reine@lindows.com>
> Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
> To: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
> Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and SPDIF
> Out!
>
> $80 for this case:
>
> http://www.mb.digitalpowerhouse.net/brochure/clio_data.htm
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 11:22, Brad Sagowitz wrote:
>
> > You can find that cheaper here. FYI
> >
> > http://www.caseoutlet.com/case/2699/CS-2699.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Adrian Burden
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:12 PM
> > To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
> > Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> > SPDIF Out!
> >
> >
> > This is the one I used
> > http://www.atoponline.com/product.asp?Type_ID=30&id=BY4-03
> > It takes one full height card sideways.
> >
> > Cheers...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net] On Behalf Of Michael Peay
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: Discussion about mythtv
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> > SPDIF Out!
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, we get back to the "low profile tuner card issue"(tm) as
> > both those cases have 4 lp slots.
> >
> > So, I'll ask... Does anyone know of a low profile tuner with decent v4l
> > support that also works with btaudio? ;-)
> >
> > --Mike
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 8, 2003, at 10:49 AM, Brad Sagowitz wrote:
> >
> > > you might try this
> > >
> > > http://www.directron.com/v2000.html
> > >
> > > or this (can be laid on its side)
> > >
> > > http://www.directron.com/a340a.html
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net
> > > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@snowman.net]On Behalf Of Iohan Reyes
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:31 PM
> > > To: Discussion about mythtv
> > > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> > > SPDIF Out!
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone find a good small case with a quiet power supply that this can
> > > be
> > > used with? (preferably in a horizontal form factor rather vertical)
> > >
> > > --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:15 AM -0700 Micah Morton
> > > <micah@oregontech.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> A P5 1.5Ghz proc (with ht) is only 125 bucks.. Pushing the total to
> > >> 355.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, the one PCI slot would be used for video input. A tuner-based
> > >> solution. CPU fans come with most P4 CPU's bundled in a retail box.
> > >>
> > >> Even with a celeron, the box would more than outperform a VIA
> > >> motherboard.
> > >>
> > >> --Micah Morton
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Micah,
> > >>>
> > >>> Two questions...
> > >>>
> > >>> 1) What about video input? I only see video out. Did I miss that
> > >>> or would you use the one PCI slot for vid capture (tuner)?
> > >>>
> > >>> 2) That price doesn't include a processor, right? So add another
> > >>> $180
> > >>> or so for a P4 bringing the total cost to $230 + $180 = $410 (and
> > >>> then
> > >>> add a CPU fan, and the tuner card), right? Or, are you gonna try it
> > >>> with a Celeron?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> JC
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Micah Morton" <micah@oregontech.net>
> > >>> To: <mythtv-users@snowman.net>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:52 PM
> > >>> Subject: [mythtv-users] Mini-ITX Sized P4 Board with TV-Out and
> > >>> SPDIF Out!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> I found this board a couple months ago and finally got my account
> > >>>> set
> > >>>> up at the place that distributes them in the US. I can now sell
> > >>>> these
> > >>>> things cheap-o!! Here's the link
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-670.HTM
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Contact me via email and let me know if you are interested in
> > >>>> getting
> > >>>> a couple of these.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I can sell them for 230bucks a pop. Thats just enough to cover the
> >
> > >>>> product and shipping on my end. I make no money on this sale. As a
> >
> > >>>> mythtv enthusiast, I would love to see some people use these things
> >
> > >>>> and make a really awesome mythbox. One cool difference is that
> > >>>> they have coaxial tv-out with simultaneous SPDIF, unlike the VIA,
> > >>>> where its a shared port that you switch with a jumper. Intel has
> > >>>> linux drivers online for their video (which I am unsure of as far
> > >>>> as tv-out support
> > >>>> goes).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyways, email me directly and let me know if you would like to get
> >
> > >>>> one of these boards.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I cannot make any guarantees whether or not they will work, but
> > >>>> they look fairly solid.. I'm going to get one for myself for sure.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --Micah Morton
> > >>>> --micah@oregontech.net
> >
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