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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Demian Dixon <d@coretech.co.nz> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been running xbmc as an alternative frontend to mythtv for a couple
> of days. I am having a little problem with switching between mythfrontend
> and xbmc..
>
> Normally the machine boots, mythwelcome runs and then I launch mythfrontend.
> I added a new menu item for xbmc and launch that from mythfrontend. All
> good but when I try and exit xbmc I get returned to the Gnome desktop
> instead of mythfrontend. I have to ALT-TAB to get to mythfrontend.
>
> Any possible solutions? I guess I don't really need to run Gnome as I only
> occasionally drop to a shell and launch Chrome as it seems to have better
> support for some streaming sports events..
>
> This is all on Fedora 19 so it is Gnome 3.8

I start XBMC in exactly the same fashion, except I am using mythbuntu,
which uses XFCE rather than Gnome.

So I expect Gnome3 is in fact the problem, or perhaps the line you use
in the myth menu to start it.

What is the line you use? There are I think two ways of starting an
external programme in a mythtv menu.

Sorry to be a little vague, I don't have access to the home machines from work.

>
> Cheers
>
> Demian
>
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Sounds like a gnome3 issue thats exactlly what I do on mythbunty (xfce) and
it works perfectly

In a perfect world mythtv would announce xbmc is the new supported frontend
and work on improving the epg there ;)


On 30 April 2014 12:10, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Demian Dixon <d@coretech.co.nz> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have been running xbmc as an alternative frontend to mythtv for a
> couple
> > of days. I am having a little problem with switching between
> mythfrontend
> > and xbmc..
> >
> > Normally the machine boots, mythwelcome runs and then I launch
> mythfrontend.
> > I added a new menu item for xbmc and launch that from mythfrontend. All
> > good but when I try and exit xbmc I get returned to the Gnome desktop
> > instead of mythfrontend. I have to ALT-TAB to get to mythfrontend.
> >
> > Any possible solutions? I guess I don't really need to run Gnome as I
> only
> > occasionally drop to a shell and launch Chrome as it seems to have better
> > support for some streaming sports events..
> >
> > This is all on Fedora 19 so it is Gnome 3.8
>
> I start XBMC in exactly the same fashion, except I am using mythbuntu,
> which uses XFCE rather than Gnome.
>
> So I expect Gnome3 is in fact the problem, or perhaps the line you use
> in the myth menu to start it.
>
> What is the line you use? There are I think two ways of starting an
> external programme in a mythtv menu.
>
> Sorry to be a little vague, I don't have access to the home machines from
> work.
>
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Demian
> >
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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jason Taylor <killerkiwi2005@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a gnome3 issue thats exactlly what I do on mythbunty (xfce) and
> it works perfectly
>
> In a perfect world mythtv would announce xbmc is the new supported frontend
> and work on improving the epg there ;)

The mythtv devs seem particularly disinterested in XBMC.


>
>
> On 30 April 2014 12:10, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Demian Dixon <d@coretech.co.nz> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have been running xbmc as an alternative frontend to mythtv for a
>> > couple
>> > of days. I am having a little problem with switching between
>> > mythfrontend
>> > and xbmc..
>> >
>> > Normally the machine boots, mythwelcome runs and then I launch
>> > mythfrontend.
>> > I added a new menu item for xbmc and launch that from mythfrontend.
>> > All
>> > good but when I try and exit xbmc I get returned to the Gnome desktop
>> > instead of mythfrontend. I have to ALT-TAB to get to mythfrontend.
>> >
>> > Any possible solutions? I guess I don't really need to run Gnome as I
>> > only
>> > occasionally drop to a shell and launch Chrome as it seems to have
>> > better
>> > support for some streaming sports events..
>> >
>> > This is all on Fedora 19 so it is Gnome 3.8
>>
>> I start XBMC in exactly the same fashion, except I am using mythbuntu,
>> which uses XFCE rather than Gnome.
>>
>> So I expect Gnome3 is in fact the problem, or perhaps the line you use
>> in the myth menu to start it.
>>
>> What is the line you use? There are I think two ways of starting an
>> external programme in a mythtv menu.
>>
>> Sorry to be a little vague, I don't have access to the home machines from
>> work.
>>
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Demian
>> >
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Hey all,

I found a solution which was to start with a wrapper script that ends by
raising the focus of the Myth window on exit of xbmc. So I run the
following from Myth..

#!/bin/sh
/bin/xbmc
wmctrl -a MythTV

The problem is by design, full screen windows are treated a little
differently from maximised windows (this is all controlled by Mutter)

There is some more information about this at
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705177

Cheers!

Demian



On 30 April 2014 16:27, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jason Taylor <killerkiwi2005@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Sounds like a gnome3 issue thats exactlly what I do on mythbunty (xfce)
> and
> > it works perfectly
> >
> > In a perfect world mythtv would announce xbmc is the new supported
> frontend
> > and work on improving the epg there ;)
>
> The mythtv devs seem particularly disinterested in XBMC.
>
>
> >
> >
> > On 30 April 2014 12:10, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Demian Dixon <d@coretech.co.nz>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I have been running xbmc as an alternative frontend to mythtv for a
> >> > couple
> >> > of days. I am having a little problem with switching between
> >> > mythfrontend
> >> > and xbmc..
> >> >
> >> > Normally the machine boots, mythwelcome runs and then I launch
> >> > mythfrontend.
> >> > I added a new menu item for xbmc and launch that from mythfrontend.
> >> > All
> >> > good but when I try and exit xbmc I get returned to the Gnome desktop
> >> > instead of mythfrontend. I have to ALT-TAB to get to mythfrontend.
> >> >
> >> > Any possible solutions? I guess I don't really need to run Gnome as
> I
> >> > only
> >> > occasionally drop to a shell and launch Chrome as it seems to have
> >> > better
> >> > support for some streaming sports events..
> >> >
> >> > This is all on Fedora 19 so it is Gnome 3.8
> >>
> >> I start XBMC in exactly the same fashion, except I am using mythbuntu,
> >> which uses XFCE rather than Gnome.
> >>
> >> So I expect Gnome3 is in fact the problem, or perhaps the line you use
> >> in the myth menu to start it.
> >>
> >> What is the line you use? There are I think two ways of starting an
> >> external programme in a mythtv menu.
> >>
> >> Sorry to be a little vague, I don't have access to the home machines
> from
> >> work.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Demian
> >> >
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On 30/04/14 16:27, Nick Rout wrote:
> The mythtv devs seem particularly disinterested in XBMC.

They have always been hostile towards any third party interface in my
experience.

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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Hadley Rich <hads@nice.net.nz> wrote:
> On 30/04/14 16:27, Nick Rout wrote:
>>
>> The mythtv devs seem particularly disinterested in XBMC.
>
>
> They have always been hostile towards any third party interface in my
> experience.

Yes it is a strange attitude for an open source project.

They have somewhat ghettoised themselves with various features such as
storage groups, myth protocol, etc.

Great within the mythtv closed shop, but hard to get onto other
platforms. The code appears to be the documentation, and it's
offputting to devs.

A fuse driver for storage groups would be nice, as would a simple
explanation of myth protocol.

I mean even windows media centre seems to have better PVR on XBMC than myth.

Then again XBMC devs can be the same. One feature I love about mythtv
is the speeded up video with non chipmunk audio. However XBMC devs are
simply disinterested.

</rant of the non programmer>

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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Hadley Rich <hads@nice.net.nz> wrote:
> > On 30/04/14 16:27, Nick Rout wrote:
> >>
> >> The mythtv devs seem particularly disinterested in XBMC.
> >
> >
> > They have always been hostile towards any third party interface in my
> > experience.
>
> Yes it is a strange attitude for an open source project.
>
> They have somewhat ghettoised themselves with various features such as
> storage groups, myth protocol, etc.
>
> Great within the mythtv closed shop, but hard to get onto other
> platforms. The code appears to be the documentation, and it's
> offputting to devs.
>

My experience (and this was years ago) was that some of the core devs were
pretty abrasive personality-wise. They couldn't take any sort criticism or
dissent. It certainly put me off contributing and I'm sure I wasn't the
only one. I believe those guys are all gone now but it wouldn't surprise me
if there is still some influence from their attitudes in the dev culture of
the project.

Cheers,
Steve

On 30/04/14 23:20, Steve Hodge wrote:
> My experience (and this was years ago) was that some of the core devs
> were pretty abrasive personality-wise. They couldn't take any sort
> criticism or dissent. It certainly put me off contributing and I'm sure
> I wasn't the only one. I believe those guys are all gone now but it
> wouldn't surprise me if there is still some influence from their
> attitudes in the dev culture of the project.

My experience (which was also years ago) was the same. I stopped
contributing (the small amounts that it was) for that very reason.

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On 30 April 2014 18:52, Hadley Rich <hads@nice.net.nz> wrote:

> On 30/04/14 16:27, Nick Rout wrote:
>
>> The mythtv devs seem particularly disinterested in XBMC.
>>
>
> They have always been hostile towards any third party interface in my
> experience.
>

Yeah its a real shame though as the strongest part of myth has always been
the backend, the only part of the frontend thats better is the EPG, which i
assume will only get better for xbmc now the have pvr integrated

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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Jason Taylor <killerkiwi2005@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 30 April 2014 18:52, Hadley Rich <hads@nice.net.nz> wrote:
>
>> On 30/04/14 16:27, Nick Rout wrote:
>>
>>> The mythtv devs seem particularly disinterested in XBMC.
>>>
>>
>> They have always been hostile towards any third party interface in my
>> experience.
>>
>
> Yeah its a real shame though as the strongest part of myth has always been
> the backend, the only part of the frontend thats better is the EPG, which i
> assume will only get better for xbmc now the have pvr integrated
>

Timestretch is very cool, and xbmc's failure to implement it is the biggest
factor keeping me on mythfe.

Cheers,
Stev

Thi swas an interesting poinrt from Steve...

On 30/04/14 23:20, Steve Hodge wrote:
> My experience (and this was years ago) was that some of the core devs were
> pretty abrasive personality-wise. They couldn't take any sort criticism or
> dissent.

Hmmm.... Like this list

W

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thi swas an interesting poinrt from Steve...
>
> On 30/04/14 23:20, Steve Hodge wrote:
>> My experience (and this was years ago) was that some of the core devs were
>> pretty abrasive personality-wise. They couldn't take any sort criticism or
>> dissent.
>
> Hmmm.... Like this list

What are you on about?

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Nick Rout wrote, On 02/05/14 17:07:
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thi swas an interesting poinrt from Steve...
>>
>> On 30/04/14 23:20, Steve Hodge wrote:
>>> My experience (and this was years ago) was that some of the core devs were pretty abrasive personality-wise. They couldn't take any sort criticism or dissent.
>> Hmmm.... Like this list
> What are you on about?

There was some disagreement about something on the list a while back. I don't recall the details, but seems to have left a bad taste.

We're all adults here - if you have something to say, please say it and not make sideways comments and oblique references.

You never know what someone else is thinking.

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Worik Stanton <worik.stanton@gmail.com>wrote:

> Thi swas an interesting poinrt from Steve...
>
> On 30/04/14 23:20, Steve Hodge wrote:
> > My experience (and this was years ago) was that some of the core devs
> were
> > pretty abrasive personality-wise. They couldn't take any sort criticism
> or
> > dissent.
>
> Hmmm.... Like this list
>

No. I'm talking about real abuse, not just being told to follow the rules.

Cheers,
Steve

On 02/05/14 17:42, Criggie wrote:
> We're all adults here - if you have something to say, please say it
> and not make sideways comments and oblique references.

The silly outbursts about top quoting of course.

cheers
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Hi

On 30 April 2014 18:38, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes it is a strange attitude for an open source project.
>
> They have somewhat ghettoised themselves with various features such as
> storage groups, myth protocol, etc.

I guess I should reply on this one.

IMHO, what you mention here is what makes the most compelling argument
about mythtv.

A central hub for media: TV recordings, videos and now music and
photos, all available across the whole house wherever you have a
frontend.
You start a frontend, and it's all there.

I can start a show on one TV and continue on another... metadata and
artwork all available everywhere. You configure it once.


>
> Great within the mythtv closed shop, but hard to get onto other
> platforms. The code appears to be the documentation, and it's
> offputting to devs.

I guess it's an issue of limited amount of devs, time and effort...
That and some of the devs (luckily gone) *really* put stuff that could
only be described as "hacks"


>
> A fuse driver for storage groups would be nice, as would a simple
> explanation of myth protocol.
>
> I mean even windows media centre seems to have better PVR on XBMC than myth.

Everyone is free to develop whatever they wish, there's the libcmyth
project that intend to do just that.

Having said that, I do agree that the XBMC UI from a look and blink
perspective put mythtv to shame. It's just far more polished and
pretty. Being able to do everything on the fly, while the video play
in the background is pretty good (like changing settings, etc...)

But having said that, it takes a much greater amount of remote button
to do something on xbmc. It's very pretty but usability wise I believe
is left to be desired. Navigating is all over the place between
buttons etc...

There's been a lot of talks lately about why should my bother with its
own frontend when xbmc looks so much nicer....

And it always comes back to the same problems: lack of dev, time and will.

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