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+1 (binding).

Regards,

Atri

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 13:07, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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Regards,

Atri
Apache Concerted

+1 from me (binding)
Karl

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:54 AM Atri Sharma <atri@apache.org> wrote:

> +1 (binding).
>
> Regards,
>
> Atri
>
> On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 13:07, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>
>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>> independent entities.
>>
>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>
>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>
>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>
>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>
>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>
>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>
>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>> and cast a vote.
>>
>> Dawid
>>
>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> [2]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>
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> Regards,
>
> Atri
> Apache Concerted
>

Thanks for suggesting this and bringing this forward to a vote, Dawid.

I'm in favor of the proposal; +1 (binding)

Best,
Christian


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 4:37 PM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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Oh, here is my +1 (binding).

Dawid

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E

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Hi,

here is also my +1
I have a few objections about the process, but in general it's a good idea.

Uwe

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:37 AM
> To: Lucene Dev <dev@lucene.apache.org>
> Subject: [VOTE] Solr to become a top-level Apache project (TLP)
>
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7
> e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>
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+1 (binding)

Jan Høydahl

> 12. mai 2020 kl. 09:36 skrev Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:
>
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1 (binding)

Alan Woodward

> On 12 May 2020, at 12:06, Jan Høydahl <jan.asf@cominvent.com> wrote:
>
> +1 (binding)
>
> Jan Høydahl
>
>> 12. mai 2020 kl. 09:36 skrev Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>
>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>> independent entities.
>>
>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>
>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>
>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>
>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>
>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>
>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>
>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>> and cast a vote.
>>
>> Dawid
>>
>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>
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-1 (binding)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:31 AM Alan Woodward <romseygeek@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 (binding)
>
> Alan Woodward
>
> > On 12 May 2020, at 12:06, Jan Høydahl <jan.asf@cominvent.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 (binding)
> >
> > Jan Høydahl
> >
> >> 12. mai 2020 kl. 09:36 skrev Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
> >>
> >> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> >> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> >> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> >> independent entities.
> >>
> >> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> >> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> >> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> >> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> >> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> >> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
> >>
> >> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> >> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> >> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> >> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> >> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> >> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> >> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> >> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> >> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> >> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
> >>
> >> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> >> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> >> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> >> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
> >>
> >> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
> >>
> >> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> >> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
> >>
> >> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> >> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> >> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
> >>
> >> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> >> and cast a vote.
> >>
> >> Dawid
> >>
> >> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1 binding

Sent from a mobile device

> On 12. May 2020, at 13:33, Jason Gerlowski <gerlowskija@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?-1 (binding)
>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:31 AM Alan Woodward <romseygeek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>> Alan Woodward
>>
>>>> On 12 May 2020, at 12:06, Jan Høydahl <jan.asf@cominvent.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 (binding)
>>>
>>> Jan Høydahl
>>>
>>>> 12. mai 2020 kl. 09:36 skrev Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>>>
>>>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>>>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>>>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>>>> independent entities.
>>>>
>>>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>>>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>>>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>>>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>>>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>>>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>>>
>>>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>>>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>>>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>>>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>>>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>>>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>>>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>>>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>>>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>>>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>>>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>>>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>>>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>>>
>>>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>>>
>>>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>>>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>>>
>>>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>>>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>>>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>>>
>>>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>>>> and cast a vote.
>>>>
>>>> Dawid
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>>>
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+1 (binding)

Le mar. 12 mai 2020 à 14:00, Simon Willnauer <simon.willnauer@gmail.com> a
écrit :

> +1 binding
>
> Sent from a mobile device
>
> > On 12. May 2020, at 13:33, Jason Gerlowski <gerlowskija@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?-1 (binding)
> >
> >> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:31 AM Alan Woodward <romseygeek@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 (binding)
> >>
> >> Alan Woodward
> >>
> >>>> On 12 May 2020, at 12:06, Jan Høydahl <jan.asf@cominvent.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1 (binding)
> >>>
> >>> Jan Høydahl
> >>>
> >>>> 12. mai 2020 kl. 09:36 skrev Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
> >>>>
> >>>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> >>>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> >>>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> >>>> independent entities.
> >>>>
> >>>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> >>>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> >>>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> >>>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> >>>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> >>>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
> >>>>
> >>>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> >>>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> >>>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> >>>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> >>>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> >>>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> >>>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> >>>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> >>>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> >>>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> >>>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> >>>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> >>>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
> >>>>
> >>>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> >>>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
> >>>>
> >>>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> >>>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> >>>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
> >>>>
> >>>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> >>>> and cast a vote.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dawid
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >>>> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
> >>>>
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> >>>
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+1

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:37 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1, this is long overdue.

It will indeed be quite a bit of work to separate everything, but I think
the long term benefits to both projects will be massive, making that
one-time cost very much worth it.

Thanks for raising this Dawid!

Mike McCandless

http://blog.mikemccandless.com


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:37 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>
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+1

--
Steve

> On May 12, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>
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+1 (binding)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:41 AM Steve Rowe <sarowe@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> --
> Steve
>
> > On May 12, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
> >
> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> > independent entities.
> >
> > To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> > like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> > years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> > exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> > patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> > development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
> >
> > We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> > chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> > discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> > matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> > against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> > don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> > we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> > firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> > it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> > future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
> >
> > Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> > make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> > committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> > worked out during the process if the decision passes.
> >
> > Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
> >
> > [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> > [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
> >
> > Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> > express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> > votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
> >
> > The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> > and cast a vote.
> >
> > Dawid
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
> >
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+1 (binding)
~ David

-1 (binding)

+1 (binding)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:38 PM Tomás Fernández Löbbe <tomasflobbe@gmail.com>
wrote:

> -1 (binding)
>
>

+1 (binding)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:21 PM Ignacio Vera <iverase@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:38 PM Tomás Fernández Löbbe <
> tomasflobbe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> -1 (binding)
>>
>>

+1 (binding)

Andi..

> On May 12, 2020, at 00:37, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1

> On May 12, 2020, at 3:36 AM, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1 (binding)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:37 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>
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+1

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:20 AM Ryan Ernst <ryan@iernst.net> wrote:
>
> +1 (binding)
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:37 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>
>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>> independent entities.
>>
>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>
>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>
>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>
>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>
>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>
>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>
>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>> and cast a vote.
>>
>> Dawid
>>
>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>
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-1 (binding)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:37 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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: Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
: make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
: committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
: worked out during the process if the decision passes.
:
: Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
:
: [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
: [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal

-1

(non-binding)


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-1 (committer)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:14 PM Chris Hostetter <hossman_lucene@fucit.org>
wrote:

>
> : Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> : make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> : committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> : worked out during the process if the decision passes.
> :
> : Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
> :
> : [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> : [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> -1
>
> (non-binding)
>
>
> -Hoss
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On 5/12/2020 1:36 AM, Dawid Weiss wrote:
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.

+1 (pmc)

We should clarify exactly what kind of vote this is. If it is in the
"code modification" category, then a single -1 vote would be enough to
defeat the proposal. There are already some -1 votes.

Thanks,
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This is in the code modification category, since code will be modified as
result of this proposal.

On Wed, 13 May, 2020, 12:27 am Shawn Heisey, <apache@elyograg.org> wrote:

> On 5/12/2020 1:36 AM, Dawid Weiss wrote:
> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> > independent entities.
>
> +1 (pmc)
>
> We should clarify exactly what kind of vote this is. If it is in the
> "code modification" category, then a single -1 vote would be enough to
> defeat the proposal. There are already some -1 votes.
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
>
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I would argue against that — this is more of a project level decision with
no changes to the core code base per se — more of restructuring of it. Sort
of how a sub project becomes a TLP.

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 00:38, Ishan Chattopadhyaya <
ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is in the code modification category, since code will be modified as
> result of this proposal.
>
> On Wed, 13 May, 2020, 12:27 am Shawn Heisey, <apache@elyograg.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/2020 1:36 AM, Dawid Weiss wrote:
>> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>> > independent entities.
>>
>> +1 (pmc)
>>
>> We should clarify exactly what kind of vote this is. If it is in the
>> "code modification" category, then a single -1 vote would be enough to
>> defeat the proposal. There are already some -1 votes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shawn
>>
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Atri
Apache Concerted

This is a procedural vote. Code is not affected. The future of each
project diverges from the same git commit.

Dawid

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:08 PM Ishan Chattopadhyaya
<ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is in the code modification category, since code will be modified as result of this proposal.
>
> On Wed, 13 May, 2020, 12:27 am Shawn Heisey, <apache@elyograg.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/12/2020 1:36 AM, Dawid Weiss wrote:
>> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>> > independent entities.
>>
>> +1 (pmc)
>>
>> We should clarify exactly what kind of vote this is. If it is in the
>> "code modification" category, then a single -1 vote would be enough to
>> defeat the proposal. There are already some -1 votes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shawn
>>
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I am about to re-read the rules here but I think this is a procedural vote.

Also, considering almost all procedural changes would impact the code in
some way, I don't think anything would pass if we were to put stuff in the
"code modification" category as getting a single veto would stop all
progress.

-Anshum

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:17 PM Atri Sharma <atri@apache.org> wrote:

> I would argue against that — this is more of a project level decision with
> no changes to the core code base per se — more of restructuring of it. Sort
> of how a sub project becomes a TLP.
>
> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 00:38, Ishan Chattopadhyaya <
> ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is in the code modification category, since code will be modified as
>> result of this proposal.
>>
>> On Wed, 13 May, 2020, 12:27 am Shawn Heisey, <apache@elyograg.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/12/2020 1:36 AM, Dawid Weiss wrote:
>>> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>>> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>>> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>>> > independent entities.
>>>
>>> +1 (pmc)
>>>
>>> We should clarify exactly what kind of vote this is. If it is in the
>>> "code modification" category, then a single -1 vote would be enough to
>>> defeat the proposal. There are already some -1 votes.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shawn
>>>
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>
> Atri
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Dawid,

Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).


I wanted to clarify that only PMC members cast binding votes and not
committers.

Also, community votes are as important as it would help a lot of people
also decide what is the right direction to move forward w.r.t. the
community.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:37 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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I agree this is not a code change category vote. It’s a majority vote. -1s are not vetos.

Simon

> On 12. May 2020, at 21:17, Atri Sharma <atri@apache.org> wrote:
>
> ?
> I would argue against that — this is more of a project level decision with no changes to the core code base per se — more of restructuring of it. Sort of how a sub project becomes a TLP.
>
>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 00:38, Ishan Chattopadhyaya <ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is in the code modification category, since code will be modified as result of this proposal.
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 May, 2020, 12:27 am Shawn Heisey, <apache@elyograg.org> wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2020 1:36 AM, Dawid Weiss wrote:
>>> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>>> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>>> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>>> > independent entities.
>>>
>>> +1 (pmc)
>>>
>>> We should clarify exactly what kind of vote this is. If it is in the
>>> "code modification" category, then a single -1 vote would be enough to
>>> defeat the proposal. There are already some -1 votes.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shawn
>>>
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>
> Atri
> Apache Concerted

I agree this is a procedural vote. Here's my +1 for the proposal.

Shai

On Tue, May 12, 2020, 23:07 Simon Willnauer <simon.willnauer@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree this is not a code change category vote. It’s a majority vote. -1s
> are not vetos.
>
> Simon
>
> On 12. May 2020, at 21:17, Atri Sharma <atri@apache.org> wrote:
>
> ?
> I would argue against that — this is more of a project level decision with
> no changes to the core code base per se — more of restructuring of it. Sort
> of how a sub project becomes a TLP.
>
> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 00:38, Ishan Chattopadhyaya <
> ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is in the code modification category, since code will be modified as
>> result of this proposal.
>>
>> On Wed, 13 May, 2020, 12:27 am Shawn Heisey, <apache@elyograg.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/12/2020 1:36 AM, Dawid Weiss wrote:
>>> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>>> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>>> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>>> > independent entities.
>>>
>>> +1 (pmc)
>>>
>>> We should clarify exactly what kind of vote this is. If it is in the
>>> "code modification" category, then a single -1 vote would be enough to
>>> defeat the proposal. There are already some -1 votes.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shawn
>>>
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> Regards,
>
> Atri
> Apache Concerted
>
>

+1

Koji

On 2020/05/12 16:36, Dawid Weiss wrote:
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1 (binding)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:18 PM Koji Sekiguchi <koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com>
wrote:

> +1
>
> Koji
>
> On 2020/05/12 16:36, Dawid Weiss wrote:
> > Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
> >
> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> > independent entities.
> >
> > To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> > like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> > years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> > exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> > patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> > development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
> >
> > We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> > chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> > discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> > matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> > against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> > don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> > we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> > firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> > it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> > future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
> >
> > Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> > make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> > committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> > worked out during the process if the decision passes.
> >
> > Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
> >
> > [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> > [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
> >
> > Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> > express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> > votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
> >
> > The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> > and cast a vote.
> >
> > Dawid
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:37 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>
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> I wanted to clarify that only PMC members cast binding votes and not committers.

I thought it's up to the decision of the one who sends the vote thread
but I stand corrected, thank you Anshum.

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Personally, I am not particularly interested in "promoting" Solr to TLP
though, agree with the idea Lucene and Solr should have separate code base,
CI infra, contribution procedure, release cycles, etc.
If this proposal is the best way to do so, +1 (non binding).

Tomoko


2020?5?13?(?) 16:21 Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:

> > I wanted to clarify that only PMC members cast binding votes and not
> committers.
>
> I thought it's up to the decision of the one who sends the vote thread
> but I stand corrected, thank you Anshum.
>
> Dawid
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-1 (binding)


Joel Bernstein
http://joelsolr.blogspot.com/


On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:39 AM Tomoko Uchida <tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Personally, I am not particularly interested in "promoting" Solr to TLP
> though, agree with the idea Lucene and Solr should have separate code base,
> CI infra, contribution procedure, release cycles, etc.
> If this proposal is the best way to do so, +1 (non binding).
>
> Tomoko
>
>
> 2020?5?13?(?) 16:21 Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:
>
>> > I wanted to clarify that only PMC members cast binding votes and not
>> committers.
>>
>> I thought it's up to the decision of the one who sends the vote thread
>> but I stand corrected, thank you Anshum.
>>
>> Dawid
>>
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-1 (binding)

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 6:53 AM Joel Bernstein <joelsolr@gmail.com> wrote:

> -1 (binding)
>
>
> Joel Bernstein
> http://joelsolr.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:39 AM Tomoko Uchida <
> tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I am not particularly interested in "promoting" Solr to TLP
>> though, agree with the idea Lucene and Solr should have separate code base,
>> CI infra, contribution procedure, release cycles, etc.
>> If this proposal is the best way to do so, +1 (non binding).
>>
>> Tomoko
>>
>>
>> 2020?5?13?(?) 16:21 Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> > I wanted to clarify that only PMC members cast binding votes and not
>>> committers.
>>>
>>> I thought it's up to the decision of the one who sends the vote thread
>>> but I stand corrected, thank you Anshum.
>>>
>>> Dawid
>>>
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>>>

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(having not read all replies, just the message I added binding... later
replies indicate that i should have said

-1 (committer)

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM Gus Heck <gus.heck@gmail.com> wrote:

> -1 (binding)
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 6:53 AM Joel Bernstein <joelsolr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> -1 (binding)
>>
>>
>> Joel Bernstein
>> http://joelsolr.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:39 AM Tomoko Uchida <
>> tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I am not particularly interested in "promoting" Solr to TLP
>>> though, agree with the idea Lucene and Solr should have separate code base,
>>> CI infra, contribution procedure, release cycles, etc.
>>> If this proposal is the best way to do so, +1 (non binding).
>>>
>>> Tomoko
>>>
>>>
>>> 2020?5?13?(?) 16:21 Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> > I wanted to clarify that only PMC members cast binding votes and not
>>>> committers.
>>>>
>>>> I thought it's up to the decision of the one who sends the vote thread
>>>> but I stand corrected, thank you Anshum.
>>>>
>>>> Dawid
>>>>
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>>>>
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+1

On 2020/05/12 07:36:57, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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Regards,
Lucky Sharma

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 8:01 PM, Mark Harwood <mharwood@apache.org> wrote:

> +1
>
> On 2020/05/12 07:36:57, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
> >
> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> > independent entities.
> >
> > To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> > like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> > years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> > exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> > patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> > development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
> >
> > We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> > chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> > discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> > matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> > against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> > don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> > we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> > firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> > it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> > future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
> >
> > Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> > make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> > committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> > worked out during the process if the decision passes.
> >
> > Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
> >
> > [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> > [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
> >
> > Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> > express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> > votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
> >
> > The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> > and cast a vote.
> >
> > Dawid
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1 (binding)

Tommaso

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 09:37, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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+1

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:33 PM Tommaso Teofili <tommaso.teofili@gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> Tommaso
>
> On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 09:37, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>
>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>> independent entities.
>>
>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>
>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>
>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>
>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>
>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>
>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>
>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>> and cast a vote.
>>
>> Dawid
>>
>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> [2]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>
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+1 (binding)

Nicholas Knize, Ph.D., GISP
Geospatial Software Guy | Elasticsearch
Apache Lucene PMC Member and Committer
nknize@apache.org


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM Namgyu Kim <kng0828@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:33 PM Tommaso Teofili <
> tommaso.teofili@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>> Tommaso
>>
>> On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 09:37, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>>
>>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>>> independent entities.
>>>
>>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>>
>>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>>
>>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>>
>>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>>
>>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>>
>>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>>> and cast a vote.
>>>
>>> Dawid
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>> [2]
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>>
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+1 (binding)

Kevin Risden



On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:17 PM Nicholas Knize <nknize@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> Nicholas Knize, Ph.D., GISP
> Geospatial Software Guy | Elasticsearch
> Apache Lucene PMC Member and Committer
> nknize@apache.org
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM Namgyu Kim <kng0828@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:33 PM Tommaso Teofili <
>> tommaso.teofili@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 (binding)
>>>
>>> Tommaso
>>>
>>> On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 09:37, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>>>
>>>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>>>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>>>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>>>> independent entities.
>>>>
>>>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>>>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>>>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>>>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>>>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>>>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>>>
>>>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>>>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>>>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>>>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>>>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>>>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>>>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>>>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>>>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>>>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>>>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>>>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>>>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>>>
>>>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>>>
>>>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>>>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>>>
>>>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>>>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>>>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>>>
>>>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>>>> and cast a vote.
>>>>
>>>> Dawid
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>>> [2]
>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>>>
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+1

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 22:42, Kevin Risden <krisden@apache.org> wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> Kevin Risden
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:17 PM Nicholas Knize <nknize@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>> Nicholas Knize, Ph.D., GISP
>> Geospatial Software Guy | Elasticsearch
>> Apache Lucene PMC Member and Committer
>> nknize@apache.org
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM Namgyu Kim <kng0828@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:33 PM Tommaso Teofili <
>>> tommaso.teofili@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>
>>>> Tommaso
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 09:37, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>>>>
>>>>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>>>>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>>>>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>>>>> independent entities.
>>>>>
>>>>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>>>>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>>>>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>>>>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>>>>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>>>>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>>>>
>>>>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>>>>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>>>>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>>>>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>>>>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>>>>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>>>>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>>>>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>>>>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>>>>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>>>>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>>>>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>>>>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>>>>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>>>>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>>>>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>>>>
>>>>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>>>>> and cast a vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawid
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>

+1

On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 19:20, Gora Mohanty <gora@mimirtech.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 22:42, Kevin Risden <krisden@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>> Kevin Risden
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:17 PM Nicholas Knize <nknize@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 (binding)
>>>
>>> Nicholas Knize, Ph.D., GISP
>>> Geospatial Software Guy | Elasticsearch
>>> Apache Lucene PMC Member and Committer
>>> nknize@apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM Namgyu Kim <kng0828@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:33 PM Tommaso Teofili <
>>>> tommaso.teofili@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 (binding)
>>>>>
>>>>> Tommaso
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 09:37, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>>>>>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>>>>>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>>>>>> independent entities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>>>>>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>>>>>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>>>>>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>>>>>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>>>>>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>>>>>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>>>>>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>>>>>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>>>>>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>>>>>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>>>>>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>>>>>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>>>>>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>>>>>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>>>>>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>>>>>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>>>>>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>>>>>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>>>>>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>>>>>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>>>>>> and cast a vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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> On May 15, 2020, at 15:13, kwatters <kwatters@kmwllc.com> wrote:
>
> ?-1
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+1 (binding) for Solr to become TLP (and for separating the two projects from
each other)

Regards,
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On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:07 PM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
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--
Regards,
Shalin Shekhar Mangar.

For the reasons I included in my message on the discussion thread (
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lucene-dev/202005.mbox/%3CCAPsCRSWds%3Dctvf837BFRXqyPxGLJ-5a%2B3hCa6HwrA8FFR5MQkA%40mail.gmail.com%3E)
I'm voting in favor of this. I hope the actual execution of it will follow
the path of a code/release split for a few versions before a more permanent
project split, but if not I think the benefits of a split will still be
seen, although perhaps down a bumpier road.

+1 (binding)


On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 9:44 PM Shalin Shekhar Mangar <
shalinmangar@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:07 PM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>>
>> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>> independent entities.
>>
>> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>>
>> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>>
>> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>>
>> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>>
>> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>>
>> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>>
>> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>> and cast a vote.
>>
>> Dawid
>>
>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> [2]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>
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>
> --
> Regards,
> Shalin Shekhar Mangar.
>

I am closing this vote, thank you for participating.

46 votes have been posted: 35 from PMC members, 8 from committers and
3 from user community.

From this total 8 people voted -1 and 38 people voted +1. Vote
distribution among PMC members (binding votes):

[+1]: 31
[-1]: 4

The vote has passed. I will follow-up on the process from here on in a
separate email.

Dawid

All collected votes in a spreadsheet:
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And in plain text:

+1

PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com)
PMC Doron Cohen (cdoronc@gmail.com)
PMC Shai Erera (serera@gmail.com)
PMC Ryan Ernst (ryan@iernst.net)
COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (jim.ferenczi@gmail.com)
PMC Otis Gospodnetic (otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com)
PMC Dennis Gove (dpgove@gmail.com)
PMC Adrien Grand (jpountz@gmail.com)
PMC Martijn v Groningen (martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com)
PMC Mark Harwood (mharwood@apache.org)
PMC Erik Hatcher (erik.hatcher@gmail.com)
PMC Shawn Heisey (apache@elyograg.org)
PMC Jan Høydahl (jan.asf@cominvent.com)
COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (kng0828@gmail.com)
PMC Nicholas Knize (nknize@gmail.com)
PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalinmangar@gmail.com)
PMC Michael McCandless (lucene@mikemccandless.com)
PMC Christian Moen (cm@atilika.com)
-- Gora Mohanty (gora@mimirtech.com)
PMC Robert Muir (rcmuir@gmail.com)
PMC Nhat Nguyen (nhat.nguyen@elastic.co.invalid)
PMC Kevin Risden (krisden@apache.org)
PMC Steven A Rowe (sarowe@gmail.com)
PMC Uwe Schindler (uwe@thetaphi.de)
PMC Koji Sekiguchi (koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com)
COMMITTER Atri Sharma (atri@apache.org)
-- Lucky Sharma (goku0910@gmail.com)
PMC David Smiley (david.w.smiley@gmail.com)
COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (msokolov@gmail.com)
PMC Tommaso Teofili (tommaso.teofili@gmail.com)
PMC Varun Thacker (varun@vthacker.in)
COMMITTER Tomoko Uchida (tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com)
PMC Andi Vajda (osaf@ovaltofu.org)
PMC Ignacio Vera (iverase@gmail.com)
PMC Dawid Weiss (dawid.weiss@gmail.com)
PMC Simon Willnauer (simon.willnauer@gmail.com)
PMC Alan Woodward (romseygeek@gmail.com)
PMC Karl Wright (daddywri@gmail.com)

-1

PMC Joel Bernstein (joelsolr@gmail.com)
COMMITTER Mike Drob (mdrob@apache.org)
PMC Jason Gerlowski (gerlowskija@gmail.com)
PMC Anshum Gupta (anshum@anshumgupta.net)
COMMITTER Gus Heck (gus.heck@gmail.com)
COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (hossman_lucene@fucit.org)
PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (tomasflobbe@gmail.com)
-- Kevin Watters (kwatters@kmwllc.com)

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Correction - Jim is a PMC member (apologies, Jim; you may want to
update [1]). This means the results are updated to:

Vote distribution among PMC members (binding votes):

[+1]: 32
[-1]: 4

D.

[1] https://lucene.apache.org/whoweare.html


On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:46 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am closing this vote, thank you for participating.
>
> 46 votes have been posted: 35 from PMC members, 8 from committers and
> 3 from user community.
>
> From this total 8 people voted -1 and 38 people voted +1. Vote
> distribution among PMC members (binding votes):
>
> [+1]: 31
> [-1]: 4
>
> The vote has passed. I will follow-up on the process from here on in a
> separate email.
>
> Dawid
>
> All collected votes in a spreadsheet:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZmR3C2EgA57QIeJJ3ejKCTUkHdG1lqPOU29heqybkKs/edit?usp=sharing
>
> And in plain text:
>
> +1
>
> PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com)
> PMC Doron Cohen (cdoronc@gmail.com)
> PMC Shai Erera (serera@gmail.com)
> PMC Ryan Ernst (ryan@iernst.net)
> COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (jim.ferenczi@gmail.com)
> PMC Otis Gospodnetic (otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com)
> PMC Dennis Gove (dpgove@gmail.com)
> PMC Adrien Grand (jpountz@gmail.com)
> PMC Martijn v Groningen (martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com)
> PMC Mark Harwood (mharwood@apache.org)
> PMC Erik Hatcher (erik.hatcher@gmail.com)
> PMC Shawn Heisey (apache@elyograg.org)
> PMC Jan Høydahl (jan.asf@cominvent.com)
> COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (kng0828@gmail.com)
> PMC Nicholas Knize (nknize@gmail.com)
> PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalinmangar@gmail.com)
> PMC Michael McCandless (lucene@mikemccandless.com)
> PMC Christian Moen (cm@atilika.com)
> -- Gora Mohanty (gora@mimirtech.com)
> PMC Robert Muir (rcmuir@gmail.com)
> PMC Nhat Nguyen (nhat.nguyen@elastic.co.invalid)
> PMC Kevin Risden (krisden@apache.org)
> PMC Steven A Rowe (sarowe@gmail.com)
> PMC Uwe Schindler (uwe@thetaphi.de)
> PMC Koji Sekiguchi (koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com)
> COMMITTER Atri Sharma (atri@apache.org)
> -- Lucky Sharma (goku0910@gmail.com)
> PMC David Smiley (david.w.smiley@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (msokolov@gmail.com)
> PMC Tommaso Teofili (tommaso.teofili@gmail.com)
> PMC Varun Thacker (varun@vthacker.in)
> COMMITTER Tomoko Uchida (tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com)
> PMC Andi Vajda (osaf@ovaltofu.org)
> PMC Ignacio Vera (iverase@gmail.com)
> PMC Dawid Weiss (dawid.weiss@gmail.com)
> PMC Simon Willnauer (simon.willnauer@gmail.com)
> PMC Alan Woodward (romseygeek@gmail.com)
> PMC Karl Wright (daddywri@gmail.com)
>
> -1
>
> PMC Joel Bernstein (joelsolr@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Mike Drob (mdrob@apache.org)
> PMC Jason Gerlowski (gerlowskija@gmail.com)
> PMC Anshum Gupta (anshum@anshumgupta.net)
> COMMITTER Gus Heck (gus.heck@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (hossman_lucene@fucit.org)
> PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (tomasflobbe@gmail.com)
> -- Kevin Watters (kwatters@kmwllc.com)

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Dawid,

The vote began on May 12th and the initial message said it will "be active
for a week to give everyone a chance to read
and cast a vote".

The vote should remain open until at least May 19th.

- Dennis

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 4:55 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> Correction - Jim is a PMC member (apologies, Jim; you may want to
> update [1]). This means the results are updated to:
>
> Vote distribution among PMC members (binding votes):
>
> [+1]: 32
> [-1]: 4
>
> D.
>
> [1] https://lucene.apache.org/whoweare.html
>
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:46 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am closing this vote, thank you for participating.
> >
> > 46 votes have been posted: 35 from PMC members, 8 from committers and
> > 3 from user community.
> >
> > From this total 8 people voted -1 and 38 people voted +1. Vote
> > distribution among PMC members (binding votes):
> >
> > [+1]: 31
> > [-1]: 4
> >
> > The vote has passed. I will follow-up on the process from here on in a
> > separate email.
> >
> > Dawid
> >
> > All collected votes in a spreadsheet:
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZmR3C2EgA57QIeJJ3ejKCTUkHdG1lqPOU29heqybkKs/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > And in plain text:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com)
> > PMC Doron Cohen (cdoronc@gmail.com)
> > PMC Shai Erera (serera@gmail.com)
> > PMC Ryan Ernst (ryan@iernst.net)
> > COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (jim.ferenczi@gmail.com)
> > PMC Otis Gospodnetic (otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com)
> > PMC Dennis Gove (dpgove@gmail.com)
> > PMC Adrien Grand (jpountz@gmail.com)
> > PMC Martijn v Groningen (martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com)
> > PMC Mark Harwood (mharwood@apache.org)
> > PMC Erik Hatcher (erik.hatcher@gmail.com)
> > PMC Shawn Heisey (apache@elyograg.org)
> > PMC Jan Høydahl (jan.asf@cominvent.com)
> > COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (kng0828@gmail.com)
> > PMC Nicholas Knize (nknize@gmail.com)
> > PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalinmangar@gmail.com)
> > PMC Michael McCandless (lucene@mikemccandless.com)
> > PMC Christian Moen (cm@atilika.com)
> > -- Gora Mohanty (gora@mimirtech.com)
> > PMC Robert Muir (rcmuir@gmail.com)
> > PMC Nhat Nguyen (nhat.nguyen@elastic.co.invalid)
> > PMC Kevin Risden (krisden@apache.org)
> > PMC Steven A Rowe (sarowe@gmail.com)
> > PMC Uwe Schindler (uwe@thetaphi.de)
> > PMC Koji Sekiguchi (koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com)
> > COMMITTER Atri Sharma (atri@apache.org)
> > -- Lucky Sharma (goku0910@gmail.com)
> > PMC David Smiley (david.w.smiley@gmail.com)
> > COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (msokolov@gmail.com)
> > PMC Tommaso Teofili (tommaso.teofili@gmail.com)
> > PMC Varun Thacker (varun@vthacker.in)
> > COMMITTER Tomoko Uchida (tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com)
> > PMC Andi Vajda (osaf@ovaltofu.org)
> > PMC Ignacio Vera (iverase@gmail.com)
> > PMC Dawid Weiss (dawid.weiss@gmail.com)
> > PMC Simon Willnauer (simon.willnauer@gmail.com)
> > PMC Alan Woodward (romseygeek@gmail.com)
> > PMC Karl Wright (daddywri@gmail.com)
> >
> > -1
> >
> > PMC Joel Bernstein (joelsolr@gmail.com)
> > COMMITTER Mike Drob (mdrob@apache.org)
> > PMC Jason Gerlowski (gerlowskija@gmail.com)
> > PMC Anshum Gupta (anshum@anshumgupta.net)
> > COMMITTER Gus Heck (gus.heck@gmail.com)
> > COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (hossman_lucene@fucit.org)
> > PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (tomasflobbe@gmail.com)
> > -- Kevin Watters (kwatters@kmwllc.com)
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+1 (committer)

Regards,
Alex.

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 03:37, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.

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> The vote began on May 12th and the initial message said it will "be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote".

I thought I'd sent it on Monday, which would make a week today. Time
zones will also kick in because I live in Europe... I can wait a day
more - not a problem.

D.

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Sure, I'd considered timezones before responding. The archive permalink for
the original message shows a date of "Tue, 12 May 2020 07:36:57 GMT".

Permalink:
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lucene-dev/202005.mbox/%3CCAM21Rt-PjpVYKsThzAKJbbPT3OeuVdgnVSZ3E_QEoWfpLNd0%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:48 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> > The vote began on May 12th and the initial message said it will "be
> active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> > and cast a vote".
>
> I thought I'd sent it on Monday, which would make a week today. Time
> zones will also kick in because I live in Europe... I can wait a day
> more - not a problem.
>
> D.
>
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+1 (binding)

> On 18 May 2020, at 10:46, Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am closing this vote, thank you for participating.
>
> 46 votes have been posted: 35 from PMC members, 8 from committers and
> 3 from user community.
>
> From this total 8 people voted -1 and 38 people voted +1. Vote
> distribution among PMC members (binding votes):
>
> [+1]: 31
> [-1]: 4
>
> The vote has passed. I will follow-up on the process from here on in a
> separate email.
>
> Dawid
>
> All collected votes in a spreadsheet:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZmR3C2EgA57QIeJJ3ejKCTUkHdG1lqPOU29heqybkKs/edit?usp=sharing
>
> And in plain text:
>
> +1
>
> PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com)
> PMC Doron Cohen (cdoronc@gmail.com)
> PMC Shai Erera (serera@gmail.com)
> PMC Ryan Ernst (ryan@iernst.net)
> COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (jim.ferenczi@gmail.com)
> PMC Otis Gospodnetic (otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com)
> PMC Dennis Gove (dpgove@gmail.com)
> PMC Adrien Grand (jpountz@gmail.com)
> PMC Martijn v Groningen (martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com)
> PMC Mark Harwood (mharwood@apache.org)
> PMC Erik Hatcher (erik.hatcher@gmail.com)
> PMC Shawn Heisey (apache@elyograg.org)
> PMC Jan Høydahl (jan.asf@cominvent.com)
> COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (kng0828@gmail.com)
> PMC Nicholas Knize (nknize@gmail.com)
> PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalinmangar@gmail.com)
> PMC Michael McCandless (lucene@mikemccandless.com)
> PMC Christian Moen (cm@atilika.com)
> -- Gora Mohanty (gora@mimirtech.com)
> PMC Robert Muir (rcmuir@gmail.com)
> PMC Nhat Nguyen (nhat.nguyen@elastic.co.invalid)
> PMC Kevin Risden (krisden@apache.org)
> PMC Steven A Rowe (sarowe@gmail.com)
> PMC Uwe Schindler (uwe@thetaphi.de)
> PMC Koji Sekiguchi (koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com)
> COMMITTER Atri Sharma (atri@apache.org)
> -- Lucky Sharma (goku0910@gmail.com)
> PMC David Smiley (david.w.smiley@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (msokolov@gmail.com)
> PMC Tommaso Teofili (tommaso.teofili@gmail.com)
> PMC Varun Thacker (varun@vthacker.in)
> COMMITTER Tomoko Uchida (tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com)
> PMC Andi Vajda (osaf@ovaltofu.org)
> PMC Ignacio Vera (iverase@gmail.com)
> PMC Dawid Weiss (dawid.weiss@gmail.com)
> PMC Simon Willnauer (simon.willnauer@gmail.com)
> PMC Alan Woodward (romseygeek@gmail.com)
> PMC Karl Wright (daddywri@gmail.com)
>
> -1
>
> PMC Joel Bernstein (joelsolr@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Mike Drob (mdrob@apache.org)
> PMC Jason Gerlowski (gerlowskija@gmail.com)
> PMC Anshum Gupta (anshum@anshumgupta.net)
> COMMITTER Gus Heck (gus.heck@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (hossman_lucene@fucit.org)
> PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (tomasflobbe@gmail.com)
> -- Kevin Watters (kwatters@kmwllc.com)
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It is now Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 8:46 AM GMT.

A re-spin of the vote closing/ summary.

48 votes have been posted: 37 from PMC members, 8 from committers and
3 from user community.

From this total 8 people voted -1 and 40 people voted +1. Vote
distribution among PMC members (binding votes):

[+1]: 33
[-1]: 4

The vote has passed.

Dawid

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+1

PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com)
PMC Doron Cohen (cdoronc@gmail.com)
PMC Shai Erera (serera@gmail.com)
PMC Ryan Ernst (ryan@iernst.net)
COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (jim.ferenczi@gmail.com)
PMC Otis Gospodnetic (otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com)
PMC Dennis Gove (dpgove@gmail.com)
PMC Adrien Grand (jpountz@gmail.com)
PMC Martijn v Groningen (martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com)
PMC Mark Harwood (mharwood@apache.org)
PMC Erik Hatcher (erik.hatcher@gmail.com)
PMC Shawn Heisey (apache@elyograg.org)
PMC Jan Høydahl (jan.asf@cominvent.com)
COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (kng0828@gmail.com)
PMC Nicholas Knize (nknize@gmail.com)
PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalinmangar@gmail.com)
PMC Michael McCandless (lucene@mikemccandless.com)
PMC Christian Moen (cm@atilika.com)
-- Gora Mohanty (gora@mimirtech.com)
PMC Robert Muir (rcmuir@gmail.com)
PMC Nhat Nguyen (nhat.nguyen@elastic.co.invalid)
PMC Kevin Risden (krisden@apache.org)
PMC Steven A Rowe (sarowe@gmail.com)
PMC Uwe Schindler (uwe@thetaphi.de)
PMC Koji Sekiguchi (koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com)
COMMITTER Atri Sharma (atri@apache.org)
-- Lucky Sharma (goku0910@gmail.com)
PMC David Smiley (david.w.smiley@gmail.com)
COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (msokolov@gmail.com)
PMC Tommaso Teofili (tommaso.teofili@gmail.com)
PMC Varun Thacker (varun@vthacker.in)
COMMITTER Tomoko Uchida (tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com)
PMC Andi Vajda (osaf@ovaltofu.org)
PMC Ignacio Vera (iverase@gmail.com)
PMC Dawid Weiss (dawid.weiss@gmail.com)
PMC Simon Willnauer (simon.willnauer@gmail.com)
PMC Alan Woodward (romseygeek@gmail.com)
PMC Karl Wright (daddywri@gmail.com)
COMMITTER Alexandre Rafalovitch (arafalov@gmail.com)
PMC Andrzej Bia?ecki (ab@getopt.org)

-1

PMC Joel Bernstein (joelsolr@gmail.com)
COMMITTER Mike Drob (mdrob@apache.org)
PMC Jason Gerlowski (gerlowskija@gmail.com)
PMC Anshum Gupta (anshum@anshumgupta.net)
COMMITTER Gus Heck (gus.heck@gmail.com)
COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (hossman_lucene@fucit.org)
PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (tomasflobbe@gmail.com)
-- Kevin Watters (kwatters@kmwllc.com)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> independent entities.
>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> and cast a vote.
>
> Dawid
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E

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Hi All,

When do these projects separate into their own TLP's? What is the timeline?
Or is there documentation on the process of splitting an existing project
into two separate projects?

Best,

Marcus

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:51 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is now Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 8:46 AM GMT.
>
> A re-spin of the vote closing/ summary.
>
> 48 votes have been posted: 37 from PMC members, 8 from committers and
> 3 from user community.
>
> From this total 8 people voted -1 and 40 people voted +1. Vote
> distribution among PMC members (binding votes):
>
> [+1]: 33
> [-1]: 4
>
> The vote has passed.
>
> Dawid
>
> All collected votes in a spreadsheet:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZmR3C2EgA57QIeJJ3ejKCTUkHdG1lqPOU29heqybkKs/edit?usp=sharing
>
> And in plain text:
>
> +1
>
> PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com)
> PMC Doron Cohen (cdoronc@gmail.com)
> PMC Shai Erera (serera@gmail.com)
> PMC Ryan Ernst (ryan@iernst.net)
> COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (jim.ferenczi@gmail.com)
> PMC Otis Gospodnetic (otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com)
> PMC Dennis Gove (dpgove@gmail.com)
> PMC Adrien Grand (jpountz@gmail.com)
> PMC Martijn v Groningen (martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com)
> PMC Mark Harwood (mharwood@apache.org)
> PMC Erik Hatcher (erik.hatcher@gmail.com)
> PMC Shawn Heisey (apache@elyograg.org)
> PMC Jan Høydahl (jan.asf@cominvent.com)
> COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (kng0828@gmail.com)
> PMC Nicholas Knize (nknize@gmail.com)
> PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalinmangar@gmail.com)
> PMC Michael McCandless (lucene@mikemccandless.com)
> PMC Christian Moen (cm@atilika.com)
> -- Gora Mohanty (gora@mimirtech.com)
> PMC Robert Muir (rcmuir@gmail.com)
> PMC Nhat Nguyen (nhat.nguyen@elastic.co.invalid)
> PMC Kevin Risden (krisden@apache.org)
> PMC Steven A Rowe (sarowe@gmail.com)
> PMC Uwe Schindler (uwe@thetaphi.de)
> PMC Koji Sekiguchi (koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com)
> COMMITTER Atri Sharma (atri@apache.org)
> -- Lucky Sharma (goku0910@gmail.com)
> PMC David Smiley (david.w.smiley@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (msokolov@gmail.com)
> PMC Tommaso Teofili (tommaso.teofili@gmail.com)
> PMC Varun Thacker (varun@vthacker.in)
> COMMITTER Tomoko Uchida (tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com)
> PMC Andi Vajda (osaf@ovaltofu.org)
> PMC Ignacio Vera (iverase@gmail.com)
> PMC Dawid Weiss (dawid.weiss@gmail.com)
> PMC Simon Willnauer (simon.willnauer@gmail.com)
> PMC Alan Woodward (romseygeek@gmail.com)
> PMC Karl Wright (daddywri@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Alexandre Rafalovitch (arafalov@gmail.com)
> PMC Andrzej Bia?ecki (ab@getopt.org)
>
> -1
>
> PMC Joel Bernstein (joelsolr@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Mike Drob (mdrob@apache.org)
> PMC Jason Gerlowski (gerlowskija@gmail.com)
> PMC Anshum Gupta (anshum@anshumgupta.net)
> COMMITTER Gus Heck (gus.heck@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (hossman_lucene@fucit.org)
> PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (tomasflobbe@gmail.com)
> -- Kevin Watters (kwatters@kmwllc.com)
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
> >
> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> > independent entities.
> >
> > To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> > like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> > years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> > exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> > patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> > development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
> >
> > We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> > chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> > discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> > matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> > against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> > don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> > we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> > firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> > it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> > future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
> >
> > Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> > make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> > committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> > worked out during the process if the decision passes.
> >
> > Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
> >
> > [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> > [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
> >
> > Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> > express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> > votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
> >
> > The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> > and cast a vote.
> >
> > Dawid
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>
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--
Marcus Eagan

Just catching up after a couple of weeks away here; phew there is lots
going on!

Re splitting the projects, there has been some project reorganization
(we created a new TLP in Apache), but no real change yet. I think the
idea is to get the software separated, and then people will follow
their hearts/interests. For tracking the software re-org, we have this
issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-14497

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 1:41 AM Marcus Eagan <marcuseagan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> When do these projects separate into their own TLP's? What is the timeline? Or is there documentation on the process of splitting an existing project into two separate projects?
>
> Best,
>
> Marcus
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:51 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is now Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 8:46 AM GMT.
>>
>> A re-spin of the vote closing/ summary.
>>
>> 48 votes have been posted: 37 from PMC members, 8 from committers and
>> 3 from user community.
>>
>> From this total 8 people voted -1 and 40 people voted +1. Vote
>> distribution among PMC members (binding votes):
>>
>> [+1]: 33
>> [-1]: 4
>>
>> The vote has passed.
>>
>> Dawid
>>
>> All collected votes in a spreadsheet:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZmR3C2EgA57QIeJJ3ejKCTUkHdG1lqPOU29heqybkKs/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> And in plain text:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com)
>> PMC Doron Cohen (cdoronc@gmail.com)
>> PMC Shai Erera (serera@gmail.com)
>> PMC Ryan Ernst (ryan@iernst.net)
>> COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (jim.ferenczi@gmail.com)
>> PMC Otis Gospodnetic (otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com)
>> PMC Dennis Gove (dpgove@gmail.com)
>> PMC Adrien Grand (jpountz@gmail.com)
>> PMC Martijn v Groningen (martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com)
>> PMC Mark Harwood (mharwood@apache.org)
>> PMC Erik Hatcher (erik.hatcher@gmail.com)
>> PMC Shawn Heisey (apache@elyograg.org)
>> PMC Jan Høydahl (jan.asf@cominvent.com)
>> COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (kng0828@gmail.com)
>> PMC Nicholas Knize (nknize@gmail.com)
>> PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalinmangar@gmail.com)
>> PMC Michael McCandless (lucene@mikemccandless.com)
>> PMC Christian Moen (cm@atilika.com)
>> -- Gora Mohanty (gora@mimirtech.com)
>> PMC Robert Muir (rcmuir@gmail.com)
>> PMC Nhat Nguyen (nhat.nguyen@elastic.co.invalid)
>> PMC Kevin Risden (krisden@apache.org)
>> PMC Steven A Rowe (sarowe@gmail.com)
>> PMC Uwe Schindler (uwe@thetaphi.de)
>> PMC Koji Sekiguchi (koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com)
>> COMMITTER Atri Sharma (atri@apache.org)
>> -- Lucky Sharma (goku0910@gmail.com)
>> PMC David Smiley (david.w.smiley@gmail.com)
>> COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (msokolov@gmail.com)
>> PMC Tommaso Teofili (tommaso.teofili@gmail.com)
>> PMC Varun Thacker (varun@vthacker.in)
>> COMMITTER Tomoko Uchida (tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com)
>> PMC Andi Vajda (osaf@ovaltofu.org)
>> PMC Ignacio Vera (iverase@gmail.com)
>> PMC Dawid Weiss (dawid.weiss@gmail.com)
>> PMC Simon Willnauer (simon.willnauer@gmail.com)
>> PMC Alan Woodward (romseygeek@gmail.com)
>> PMC Karl Wright (daddywri@gmail.com)
>> COMMITTER Alexandre Rafalovitch (arafalov@gmail.com)
>> PMC Andrzej Bia?ecki (ab@getopt.org)
>>
>> -1
>>
>> PMC Joel Bernstein (joelsolr@gmail.com)
>> COMMITTER Mike Drob (mdrob@apache.org)
>> PMC Jason Gerlowski (gerlowskija@gmail.com)
>> PMC Anshum Gupta (anshum@anshumgupta.net)
>> COMMITTER Gus Heck (gus.heck@gmail.com)
>> COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (hossman_lucene@fucit.org)
>> PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (tomasflobbe@gmail.com)
>> -- Kevin Watters (kwatters@kmwllc.com)
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
>> >
>> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
>> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
>> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
>> > independent entities.
>> >
>> > To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
>> > like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
>> > years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
>> > exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
>> > patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
>> > development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
>> >
>> > We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
>> > chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
>> > discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
>> > matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
>> > against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
>> > don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
>> > we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
>> > firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
>> > it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
>> > future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
>> >
>> > Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
>> > make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
>> > committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
>> > worked out during the process if the decision passes.
>> >
>> > Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
>> >
>> > [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
>> > [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
>> >
>> > Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
>> > express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
>> > votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
>> >
>> > The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
>> > and cast a vote.
>> >
>> > Dawid
>> >
>> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>>
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>
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> Marcus Eagan
>

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