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On 08/09/14 06:30 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> All,
>
> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>
> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> Brno [1].
>
> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>
> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> the 5th of February.
>
> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>
> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Fabio
>
> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> an answer :)
>
> [1] http://devconf.cz/

I think this is a good idea. 3 days may be a good idea, as well.

I think I would be more useful trying to bring the user's perspective
more so than a developer's. So on that, I would like to propose a
discussion on merging some of the disparate lists, channels, sites, etc.
to help simplify life for new users looking for help from or to wanting
to join the HA community.

I also understand that Fabio will buy the first round of drinks. >:)

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On 08/09/14 06:30 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> All,
>
> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>
> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> Brno [1].
>
> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>
> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> the 5th of February.
>
> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>
> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Fabio
>
> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> an answer :)
>
> [1] http://devconf.cz/

How is this looking?

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just a kind reminder.

On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> All,
>
> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>
> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> Brno [1].
>
> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>
> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> the 5th of February.
>
> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>
> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Fabio
>
> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> an answer :)
>
> [1] http://devconf.cz/

Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?

I have heard only from few people so far.

Cheers
Fabio
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All the cool kids will be there.

You want to be a cool kid, right?

:p

On 01/11/14 01:06 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> just a kind reminder.
>
> On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
>> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>>
>> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
>> Brno [1].
>>
>> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>>
>> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
>> the 5th of February.
>>
>> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
>> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
>> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>>
>> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
>> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Fabio
>>
>> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
>> an answer :)
>>
>> [1] http://devconf.cz/
>
> Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
>
> I have heard only from few people so far.
>
> Cheers
> Fabio
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> All the cool kids will be there.
>
> You want to be a cool kid, right?
>
> :p
I'm a cool kid where ever I go ;-)

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On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 01:19:35AM -0400, Digimer wrote:
> All the cool kids will be there.
>
> You want to be a cool kid, right?

Well, no. ;-)

But I'll still be there,
and a few other Linbit'ers as well.

Fabio, let us know what we could do to help make it happen.

Lars

> On 01/11/14 01:06 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> > just a kind reminder.
> >
> >On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> >> All,
> >>
> >> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> >> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
> >>
> >> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> >> Brno [1].
> >>
> >> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
> >>
> >> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> >> the 5th of February.
> >>
> >> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> >> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> >> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
> >>
> >> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> >> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Fabio
> >>
> >> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> >> an answer :)
> >>
> >> [1] http://devconf.cz/
> >
> > Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
> >
> > I have heard only from few people so far.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Fabio
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On 11/5/2014 4:16 PM, Lars Ellenberg wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 01:19:35AM -0400, Digimer wrote:
>> All the cool kids will be there.
>>
>> You want to be a cool kid, right?
>
> Well, no. ;-)
>
> But I'll still be there,
> and a few other Linbit'ers as well.
>
> Fabio, let us know what we could do to help make it happen.
>

I appreciate the offer.

Assuming we achieve quorum to do the event, I´d say that I´ll take of
the meeting rooms/hotel logistics and one "lunch and learn" pizza event.
It would be nice if others could organize a dinner event.

Cheers
Fabio



> Lars
>
>> On 01/11/14 01:06 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>>> just a kind reminder.
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
>>>> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
>>>> Brno [1].
>>>>
>>>> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
>>>> the 5th of February.
>>>>
>>>> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
>>>> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
>>>> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>>>>
>>>> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
>>>> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Fabio
>>>>
>>>> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
>>>> an answer :)
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://devconf.cz/
>>>
>>> Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
>>>
>>> I have heard only from few people so far.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Fabio
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On 2014-11-11T09:17:56, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:

Hey,

I know I'm a bit late to the game, but: I'd be happy to meet, yet Brno
is not all that easy to reach. There don't appear to be regular flights
to BRQ, and it's also quite far by train.

Am I missing something obvious regarding public transport?

If everyone is travelling to devconf through Prague, maybe that'd be a
better place to meet? For those of us not going to devconf, that'd be a
quite shorter ride.


Regards,
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On 24/11/14 06:40 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2014-11-11T09:17:56, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I know I'm a bit late to the game, but: I'd be happy to meet, yet Brno
> is not all that easy to reach. There don't appear to be regular flights
> to BRQ, and it's also quite far by train.
>
> Am I missing something obvious regarding public transport?
>
> If everyone is travelling to devconf through Prague, maybe that'd be a
> better place to meet? For those of us not going to devconf, that'd be a
> quite shorter ride.
>
>
> Regards,
> Lars

The LINBIT folks suggested to land in Vienna and then it's two hours by
road, but I've not looked too closely at it just yet. Once we get
confirmation that the meeting is on, perhaps a pre-meeting in a
convenient city for $drinks before travel would be nice. There must be a
train available, too... I mean, in the west, we hear always about
Europe's excellent public transit... ;)

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On 2014-11-24T06:59:39, Digimer <lists@alteeve.ca> wrote:

> The LINBIT folks suggested to land in Vienna and then it's two hours by
> road, but I've not looked too closely at it just yet.

I'd be happy to meet in Vienna. I'm not keen on first flying to VIE and
then spending 2+h on the road/bus.

(Vienna is actually a lot better for me than even Prague; direct
flights ;-)

> Once we get confirmation that the meeting is on, perhaps a pre-meeting
> in a convenient city for $drinks before travel would be nice. There
> must be a train available, too... I mean, in the west, we hear always
> about Europe's excellent public transit... ;)

Well, yes, there is a train, but from Berlin, it's almost 8 hours.

If everyone is routing through either VIE or PRG, it'd just be a lot
saner to have this meeting there; the RHT folks can always travel on.

Frankly, Brno is reasonably inconvenient for international travellers.


Regards,
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On 11/24/2014 1:08 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2014-11-24T06:59:39, Digimer <lists@alteeve.ca> wrote:
>
>> The LINBIT folks suggested to land in Vienna and then it's two hours by
>> road, but I've not looked too closely at it just yet.
>
> I'd be happy to meet in Vienna. I'm not keen on first flying to VIE and
> then spending 2+h on the road/bus.
>
> (Vienna is actually a lot better for me than even Prague; direct
> flights ;-)
>
>> Once we get confirmation that the meeting is on, perhaps a pre-meeting
>> in a convenient city for $drinks before travel would be nice. There
>> must be a train available, too... I mean, in the west, we hear always
>> about Europe's excellent public transit... ;)
>
> Well, yes, there is a train, but from Berlin, it's almost 8 hours.
>
> If everyone is routing through either VIE or PRG, it'd just be a lot
> saner to have this meeting there; the RHT folks can always travel on.
>
> Frankly, Brno is reasonably inconvenient for international travellers.

Either fly to Prague or Vienna and then it´s a 2 hours train or bus ride.

From Vienna the bus leaves straight from the airport and arrives in Brno
center.

Other cities are not an option for me for a meet up. It has to be Brno,
even if it´s a bit more inconvenient for the 2 extra hours of transport.

Fabio
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On 24/11/14 07:15 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>
>
> On 11/24/2014 1:08 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
>> On 2014-11-24T06:59:39, Digimer <lists@alteeve.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> The LINBIT folks suggested to land in Vienna and then it's two hours by
>>> road, but I've not looked too closely at it just yet.
>>
>> I'd be happy to meet in Vienna. I'm not keen on first flying to VIE and
>> then spending 2+h on the road/bus.
>>
>> (Vienna is actually a lot better for me than even Prague; direct
>> flights ;-)
>>
>>> Once we get confirmation that the meeting is on, perhaps a pre-meeting
>>> in a convenient city for $drinks before travel would be nice. There
>>> must be a train available, too... I mean, in the west, we hear always
>>> about Europe's excellent public transit... ;)
>>
>> Well, yes, there is a train, but from Berlin, it's almost 8 hours.
>>
>> If everyone is routing through either VIE or PRG, it'd just be a lot
>> saner to have this meeting there; the RHT folks can always travel on.
>>
>> Frankly, Brno is reasonably inconvenient for international travellers.
>
> Either fly to Prague or Vienna and then it´s a 2 hours train or bus ride.
>
> From Vienna the bus leaves straight from the airport and arrives in Brno
> center.
>
> Other cities are not an option for me for a meet up. It has to be Brno,
> even if it´s a bit more inconvenient for the 2 extra hours of transport.
>
> Fabio

My daily train to work is 2 hours, so VIE -> Brno is all the same to me.
I am hoping to visit others in Vienna, so this is most likely the route
I will take. A train from the airport to Brno sounds really quite
convenient, actually.

Is there wifi on this bus, do you know? If not, any advice for a
short-term SIM with a data plan? I don't expect I'd need more that 1~2
GB over the trip.

Prepare your liver, boys. Digimer is coming to town. :D

(I kid... mostly)

digimer

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On 2014-11-24T13:15:30, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:

> > Frankly, Brno is reasonably inconvenient for international travellers.
>
> Either fly to Prague or Vienna and then it´s a 2 hours train or bus ride.
>
> From Vienna the bus leaves straight from the airport and arrives in Brno
> center.
>
> Other cities are not an option for me for a meet up. It has to be Brno,
> even if it´s a bit more inconvenient for the 2 extra hours of transport.

:-/ That, frankly, sucks.

I assume you're also travelling to Brno somehow; doesn't your routing
include Vienna or Prague too?


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Lars

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On 11/24/2014 1:27 PM, Digimer wrote:
> On 24/11/14 07:15 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2014 1:08 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
>>> On 2014-11-24T06:59:39, Digimer <lists@alteeve.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The LINBIT folks suggested to land in Vienna and then it's two hours by
>>>> road, but I've not looked too closely at it just yet.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to meet in Vienna. I'm not keen on first flying to VIE and
>>> then spending 2+h on the road/bus.
>>>
>>> (Vienna is actually a lot better for me than even Prague; direct
>>> flights ;-)
>>>
>>>> Once we get confirmation that the meeting is on, perhaps a pre-meeting
>>>> in a convenient city for $drinks before travel would be nice. There
>>>> must be a train available, too... I mean, in the west, we hear always
>>>> about Europe's excellent public transit... ;)
>>>
>>> Well, yes, there is a train, but from Berlin, it's almost 8 hours.
>>>
>>> If everyone is routing through either VIE or PRG, it'd just be a lot
>>> saner to have this meeting there; the RHT folks can always travel on.
>>>
>>> Frankly, Brno is reasonably inconvenient for international travellers.
>>
>> Either fly to Prague or Vienna and then it´s a 2 hours train or bus ride.
>>
>> From Vienna the bus leaves straight from the airport and arrives in Brno
>> center.
>>
>> Other cities are not an option for me for a meet up. It has to be Brno,
>> even if it´s a bit more inconvenient for the 2 extra hours of transport.
>>
>> Fabio
>
> My daily train to work is 2 hours, so VIE -> Brno is all the same to me.
> I am hoping to visit others in Vienna, so this is most likely the route
> I will take. A train from the airport to Brno sounds really quite
> convenient, actually.
>
> Is there wifi on this bus, do you know? If not, any advice for a
> short-term SIM with a data plan? I don't expect I'd need more that 1~2
> GB over the trip.

AFAIK there is wifi in the bus for a good portion of the trip.

Fabio

>
> Prepare your liver, boys. Digimer is coming to town. :D
>
> (I kid... mostly)
>
> digimer
>
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On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:

Folks, Fabio,

thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.

However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
public.)

I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?

Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
already.

I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
Summit does?

Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).


Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
as Vienna xor Prague?


I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.

As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where
everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader
participation.



Regards,
Lars

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On 11/24/2014 3:39 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Folks, Fabio,
>
> thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
> for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.
>
> However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
> hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
> user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
> public.)
>
> I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?
>
> Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
> It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
> already.
>
> I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
> either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
> Summit does?
>
> Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
> interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
> travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
> make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).
>
>
> Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
> as Vienna xor Prague?
>
>
> I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.

I agree. some feedback would be useful.

>
> As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where
> everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader
> participation.

dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

Fabio
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On 24/11/14 09:54 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> On 11/24/2014 3:39 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
>> On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Folks, Fabio,
>>
>> thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
>> for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.
>>
>> However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
>> hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
>> user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
>> public.)
>>
>> I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?

I suspect a lot of it is that, given people's busy schedules, February
seems far away. Also, I wonder how much discussion has happened outside
of these lists. Is it really that there hasn't been much feedback?

Fabio started this ball rolling, so I would be interested to hear what
he's heard.

>> Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
>> It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
>> already.
>>
>> I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
>> either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
>> Summit does?

Requested feedback given;

Virtual meetings are never as good, and I really don't like this idea.
In my experience, just as much productive decision making happens in the
unofficial after-hours activities as during formal(ish)
meetings/presentations.

I think it is very important that the meeting remain in-person if at all
possible.

>> Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
>> interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
>> travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
>> make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).
>>
>> Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
>> as Vienna xor Prague?

Personally, I don't care where we meet, but I do believe Fabio already
ruled out a relocation.

>> I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.
>
> I agree. some feedback would be useful.

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On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:

> dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
> people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.


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On 24/11/14 10:12 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in

Oh, bring him! crazy++

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On 11/24/2014 4:12 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
>> people to travel for more than just HA Summit.
>
> Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
> not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

>
>> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
>> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
>> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.
>
> That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
> participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

>
> I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
> Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
> Europe etc.
>

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

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I would be interested in the "user" conference rather then the "dev" one,
so the 1st day of the 3 days option mentioned by Fabio.

I will stay tuned!

2014-11-24 16:16 GMT+01:00 Fabio M. Di Nitto <fdinitto@redhat.com>:

>
>
> On 11/24/2014 4:12 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> > On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
> >> people to travel for more than just HA Summit.
> >
> > Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
> > not wear the fedora ;-)
>
> That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)
>
> >
> >> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
> >> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
> >> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.
> >
> > That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
> > participants and is a PITA for everyone.
>
> I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.
>
> >
> > I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
> > Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
> > Europe etc.
> >
>
> Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..
>
> Fabio
>
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> On 25 Nov 2014, at 2:12 am, Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
>> people to travel for more than just HA Summit.
>
> Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
> not wear the fedora ;-)

Its not necessarily the conference of choice even for people that do.
I just do what I'm told :)

>
>> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
>> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
>> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.
>
> That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
> participants and is a PITA for everyone.
>
> I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
> Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
> Europe etc.
>
>
> Regards,
> Lars
>
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On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:

> > Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
> > not wear the fedora ;-)
> That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

> >> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
> >> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
> >> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.
> > That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
> > participants and is a PITA for everyone.
> I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
other.

> > I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
> > Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
> > Europe etc.
> Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
That's a bit different. ;-)

OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?


Regards,
Lars

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> On 25 Nov 2014, at 8:54 pm, Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
>>> not wear the fedora ;-)
>> That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)
>
>>>> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
>>>> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
>>>> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.
>>> That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
>>> participants and is a PITA for everyone.
>> I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.
>
> I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face
> meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing.
> Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each
> other.
>
>>> I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
>>> Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
>>> Europe etc.
>> Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..
>
> Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference.
> That's a bit different. ;-)
>
> OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we
> fill two days? Where would we want to collect them?

Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted and/or a new messaging/membership layer.

Other design-y topics:
- SBD
- degraded mode
- improved notifications
- containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt)
- resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing)

User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted, crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that people get wrong.
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