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On 08/09/14 06:30 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> All,
>
> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>
> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> Brno [1].
>
> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>
> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> the 5th of February.
>
> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>
> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Fabio
>
> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> an answer :)
>
> [1] http://devconf.cz/

I think this is a good idea. 3 days may be a good idea, as well.

I think I would be more useful trying to bring the user's perspective
more so than a developer's. So on that, I would like to propose a
discussion on merging some of the disparate lists, channels, sites, etc.
to help simplify life for new users looking for help from or to wanting
to join the HA community.

I also understand that Fabio will buy the first round of drinks. >:)

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Hi Fabio,

Do you know much about the Brno DevConf?

I was wondering if the Assimilation Project might be interesting to the
audience there.
http://assimilationsystems.com/
http://assimproj.org/

It's related to High Availability in that we monitor systems and
services with zero configuration - we even use OCF RAs ;-). Because of
that, we could eventually intervene in systems - restarting services, or
even migrating them. That's not in current plans, but it is technically
very possible.

But it's so much more than that - and HUGELY scalable - 10K servers
without breathing hard, and 100K servers without proxies, etc. It also
discovers systems, services, dependencies, switch connections, and lots
of other things. Basically everything is done with near-zero
configuration. We wind up with a graph database describing everything
in great detail - and it's continually up to date.

I don't know if you know me, but I founded the Linux-HA project and led
it for about 10 years.

-- Alan Robertson
alanr@unix.sh


On 09/08/2014 04:30 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> All,
>
> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>
> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> Brno [1].
>
> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>
> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> the 5th of February.
>
> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>
> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Fabio
>
> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> an answer :)
>
> [1] http://devconf.cz/
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> http://lists.linux-ha.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ha
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Hi Alan,

On 09/09/2014 03:11 PM, Alan Robertson wrote:
> Hi Fabio,
>
> Do you know much about the Brno DevConf?

It would be my first visit to DevConf so not much really :)

>
> I was wondering if the Assimilation Project might be interesting to the
> audience there.
> http://assimilationsystems.com/
> http://assimproj.org/
>
> It's related to High Availability in that we monitor systems and
> services with zero configuration - we even use OCF RAs ;-). Because of
> that, we could eventually intervene in systems - restarting services, or
> even migrating them. That's not in current plans, but it is technically
> very possible.

I don't see why not. HA Summit != pacemaker ;)

Having a pool of presentations from other HA related project would be cool.

>
> But it's so much more than that - and HUGELY scalable - 10K servers
> without breathing hard, and 100K servers without proxies, etc. It also
> discovers systems, services, dependencies, switch connections, and lots
> of other things. Basically everything is done with near-zero
> configuration. We wind up with a graph database describing everything
> in great detail - and it's continually up to date.

sounds interesting. Would you be willing to join us for a presentation/demo?

>
> I don't know if you know me, but I founded the Linux-HA project and led
> it for about 10 years.

Yeps, your name is very well known :)

Cheers
Fabio

>
> -- Alan Robertson
> alanr@unix.sh
>
>
> On 09/08/2014 04:30 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
>> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>>
>> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
>> Brno [1].
>>
>> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>>
>> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
>> the 5th of February.
>>
>> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
>> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
>> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>>
>> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
>> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Fabio
>>
>> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
>> an answer :)
>>
>> [1] http://devconf.cz/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-HA mailing list
>> Linux-HA@lists.linux-ha.org
>> http://lists.linux-ha.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ha
>> See also: http://linux-ha.org/ReportingProblems


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My apologizes for spamming everyone.

I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.

I failed.

Apologies :-(

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On 09/09/2014 06:31 PM, Alan Robertson wrote:
> My apologizes for spamming everyone.
>
> I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.
>
> I failed.
>
> Apologies :-(


I think it's good that we have an open discussion with all parties
involved. I hardly fail to see that as an issue.

Apologies not accepted ;)

Fabio


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On 09/09/14 12:36 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> On 09/09/2014 06:31 PM, Alan Robertson wrote:
>> My apologizes for spamming everyone.
>>
>> I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.
>>
>> I failed.
>>
>> Apologies :-(
>
>
> I think it's good that we have an open discussion with all parties
> involved. I hardly fail to see that as an issue.
>
> Apologies not accepted ;)
>
> Fabio

+1 to err'ing on the side of too much talk. :)

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I try to be very careful about what I post to Andrew's mailing list.

He got really irritated the last time I mentioned Assimilation on his
mailing list.


On 09/09/2014 10:36 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> On 09/09/2014 06:31 PM, Alan Robertson wrote:
>> My apologizes for spamming everyone.
>>
>> I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.
>>
>> I failed.
>>
>> Apologies :-(
>
> I think it's good that we have an open discussion with all parties
> involved. I hardly fail to see that as an issue.
>
> Apologies not accepted ;)
>
> Fabio

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On 10 Sep 2014, at 7:14 am, Alan Robertson <alanr@unix.sh> wrote:

> I try to be very careful about what I post to Andrew's mailing list.
>
> He got really irritated the last time I mentioned Assimilation on his
> mailing list.

I believe the extent of my Hulk-like rage was "Might have been nice to ask first".
Really irritated was when you reported the list to spamcop.

>
>
> On 09/09/2014 10:36 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>> On 09/09/2014 06:31 PM, Alan Robertson wrote:
>>> My apologizes for spamming everyone.
>>>
>>> I thought I deleted all the other email addresses.
>>>
>>> I failed.
>>>
>>> Apologies :-(
>>
>> I think it's good that we have an open discussion with all parties
>> involved. I hardly fail to see that as an issue.
>>
>> Apologies not accepted ;)
>>
>> Fabio
>
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On 09/09/14 08:40 PM, Andrew Beekhof wrote:
>
> On 10 Sep 2014, at 7:14 am, Alan Robertson <alanr@unix.sh> wrote:
>
>> I try to be very careful about what I post to Andrew's mailing list.
>>
>> He got really irritated the last time I mentioned Assimilation on his
>> mailing list.
>
> I believe the extent of my Hulk-like rage was "Might have been nice to ask first".
> Really irritated was when you reported the list to spamcop.

I'm not sure what history there is here, but I really want this meeting
to go well and be productive. Can I play moderator and ask that we set
old issues aside?

*digimer gives all a shot of rum in hopes that everyone stays happy.

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Am Montag, 8. September 2014, 12:30:23 schrieb Fabio M. Di Nitto:
> All,
>
> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>
> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> Brno [1].
>
> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>
> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> the 5th of February.
>
> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>
> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Fabio

I like to attend a HA summit to get info about the latest developments and to
meet the people in person. Happy Beering!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

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On 08/09/14 06:30 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> All,
>
> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>
> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> Brno [1].
>
> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>
> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> the 5th of February.
>
> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>
> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Fabio
>
> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> an answer :)
>
> [1] http://devconf.cz/

How is this looking?

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just a kind reminder.

On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> All,
>
> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>
> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> Brno [1].
>
> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>
> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> the 5th of February.
>
> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>
> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Fabio
>
> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> an answer :)
>
> [1] http://devconf.cz/

Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?

I have heard only from few people so far.

Cheers
Fabio

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All the cool kids will be there.

You want to be a cool kid, right?

:p

On 01/11/14 01:06 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> just a kind reminder.
>
> On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
>> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>>
>> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
>> Brno [1].
>>
>> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>>
>> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
>> the 5th of February.
>>
>> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
>> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
>> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>>
>> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
>> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Fabio
>>
>> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
>> an answer :)
>>
>> [1] http://devconf.cz/
>
> Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
>
> I have heard only from few people so far.
>
> Cheers
> Fabio
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Am Samstag, 1. November 2014, 06:06:39 schrieb Fabio M. Di Nitto:
> just a kind reminder.
>
> On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> > developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
> >
> > I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> > Brno [1].
> >
> > DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> > the 5th of February.
> >
> > The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> > all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> > projects and explore common areas of improvements.
> >
> > I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> > to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Fabio
> >
> > PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> > an answer :)
> >
> > [1] http://devconf.cz/
>
> Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
>
> I have heard only from few people so far.

I am interested. Two days should be enough.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

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On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 01:19:35AM -0400, Digimer wrote:
> All the cool kids will be there.
>
> You want to be a cool kid, right?

Well, no. ;-)

But I'll still be there,
and a few other Linbit'ers as well.

Fabio, let us know what we could do to help make it happen.

Lars

> On 01/11/14 01:06 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> > just a kind reminder.
> >
> >On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> >> All,
> >>
> >> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
> >> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
> >>
> >> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
> >> Brno [1].
> >>
> >> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
> >>
> >> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
> >> the 5th of February.
> >>
> >> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
> >> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
> >> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
> >>
> >> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
> >> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Fabio
> >>
> >> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
> >> an answer :)
> >>
> >> [1] http://devconf.cz/
> >
> > Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
> >
> > I have heard only from few people so far.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Fabio

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On 11/5/2014 4:16 PM, Lars Ellenberg wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 01:19:35AM -0400, Digimer wrote:
>> All the cool kids will be there.
>>
>> You want to be a cool kid, right?
>
> Well, no. ;-)
>
> But I'll still be there,
> and a few other Linbit'ers as well.
>
> Fabio, let us know what we could do to help make it happen.
>

I appreciate the offer.

Assuming we achieve quorum to do the event, I´d say that I´ll take of
the meeting rooms/hotel logistics and one "lunch and learn" pizza event.
It would be nice if others could organize a dinner event.

Cheers
Fabio



> Lars
>
>> On 01/11/14 01:06 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>>> just a kind reminder.
>>>
>>> On 9/8/2014 12:30 PM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> it's been almost 6 years since we had a face to face meeting for all
>>>> developers and vendors involved in Linux HA.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to try and organize a new event and piggy-back with DevConf in
>>>> Brno [1].
>>>>
>>>> DevConf will start Friday the 6th of Feb 2015 in Red Hat Brno offices.
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion would be to have a 2 days dedicated HA summit the 4th and
>>>> the 5th of February.
>>>>
>>>> The goal for this meeting is to, beside to get to know each other and
>>>> all social aspect of those events, tune the directions of the various HA
>>>> projects and explore common areas of improvements.
>>>>
>>>> I am also very open to the idea of extending to 3 days, 1 one dedicated
>>>> to customers/users and 2 dedicated to developers, by starting the 3rd.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Fabio
>>>>
>>>> PS Please hit reply all or include me in CC just to make sure I'll see
>>>> an answer :)
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://devconf.cz/
>>>
>>> Could you please let me know by end of Nov if you are interested or not?
>>>
>>> I have heard only from few people so far.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Fabio
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On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:

Folks, Fabio,

thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.

However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
public.)

I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?

Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
already.

I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
Summit does?

Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).


Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
as Vienna xor Prague?


I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.

As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where
everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader
participation.



Regards,
Lars

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On 11/24/2014 3:39 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Folks, Fabio,
>
> thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
> for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.
>
> However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
> hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
> user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
> public.)
>
> I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?
>
> Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
> It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
> already.
>
> I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
> either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
> Summit does?
>
> Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
> interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
> travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
> make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).
>
>
> Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
> as Vienna xor Prague?
>
>
> I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.

I agree. some feedback would be useful.

>
> As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where
> everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader
> participation.

dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

Fabio

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On 24/11/14 09:54 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote:
> On 11/24/2014 3:39 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
>> On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Folks, Fabio,
>>
>> thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
>> for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.
>>
>> However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
>> hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
>> user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
>> public.)
>>
>> I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?

I suspect a lot of it is that, given people's busy schedules, February
seems far away. Also, I wonder how much discussion has happened outside
of these lists. Is it really that there hasn't been much feedback?

Fabio started this ball rolling, so I would be interested to hear what
he's heard.

>> Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
>> It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
>> already.
>>
>> I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
>> either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
>> Summit does?

Requested feedback given;

Virtual meetings are never as good, and I really don't like this idea.
In my experience, just as much productive decision making happens in the
unofficial after-hours activities as during formal(ish)
meetings/presentations.

I think it is very important that the meeting remain in-person if at all
possible.

>> Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
>> interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
>> travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
>> make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).
>>
>> Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
>> as Vienna xor Prague?

Personally, I don't care where we meet, but I do believe Fabio already
ruled out a relocation.

>> I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.
>
> I agree. some feedback would be useful.

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On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:

> dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
> people to travel for more than just HA Summit.

Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
not wear the fedora ;-)

> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.

That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
Europe etc.


Regards,
Lars

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On 24/11/14 10:12 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in

Oh, bring him! crazy++

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On 11/24/2014 4:12 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
>> people to travel for more than just HA Summit.
>
> Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
> not wear the fedora ;-)

That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)

>
>> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
>> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
>> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.
>
> That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
> participants and is a PITA for everyone.

I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.

>
> I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
> Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
> Europe etc.
>

Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..

Fabio

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I would be interested in the "user" conference rather then the "dev" one,
so the 1st day of the 3 days option mentioned by Fabio.

I will stay tuned!

2014-11-24 16:16 GMT+01:00 Fabio M. Di Nitto <fdinitto@redhat.com>:

>
>
> On 11/24/2014 4:12 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> > On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow
> >> people to travel for more than just HA Summit.
> >
> > Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do
> > not wear the fedora ;-)
>
> That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;)
>
> >
> >> I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore
> >> the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of
> >> tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that.
> >
> > That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class
> > participants and is a PITA for everyone.
>
> I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho.
>
> >
> > I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in
> > Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in
> > Europe etc.
> >
>
> Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia..
>
> Fabio
>
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Am Montag, 24. November 2014, 15:39:57 schrieb Lars Marowsky-Bree:
> On 2014-09-08T12:30:23, "Fabio M. Di Nitto" <fdinitto@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Folks, Fabio,
>
> thanks for organizing this and getting the ball rolling. And again sorry
> for being late to said game; I was busy elsewhere.
>
> However, it seems that the idea for such a HA Summit in Brno/Feb 2015
> hasn't exactly fallen on fertile grounds, even with the suggested
> user/client day. (Or if there was a lot of feedback, it wasn't
> public.)
>
> I wonder why that is, and if/how we can make this more attractive?
>
> Frankly, as might have been obvious ;-), for me the venue is an issue.
> It's not easy to reach, and I'm theoretically fairly close in Germany
> already.
>
> I wonder if we could increase participation with a virtual meeting (on
> either those dates or another), similar to what the Ceph Developer
> Summit does?
>
> Those appear really productive and make it possible for a wide range of
> interested parties from all over the world to attend, regardless of
> travel times, or even just attend select sessions (that would otherwise
> make it hard to justify travel expenses & time off).
>
>
> Alternatively, would a relocation to a more connected venue help, such
> as Vienna xor Prague?
>
>
> I'd love to get some more feedback from the community.
>
> As Fabio put it, yes, I *can* suck it up and go to Brno if that's where
> everyone goes to play ;-), but I'd also prefer to have a broader
> participation.

Hi,

I will do some advertisement in Germany.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Michael Schwartzkopff

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