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US encryption rules, France and politics

Jan 14, 1999, 10:26 AM

Post #1 of 6 (733 views)

I think there has been to much talk on this list on the above topics.
1/ Many people who talk about legal issues here simply don't know what
they are talking about. Actually quoting from laws and legal texts is much
better than just repeating distorted versions of the truth.
I am sick and tired of the sci.crypt kind of political discussion.
2/ When talking about national laws in an international newsgroup, the
thread usually quickly degenerates into a series of chauvinistic remarks,
like "Oh, that's because in country xxx they have a socialist/fascist
government, WE in our country wouldn't allow such things to happen.". This
is especially true of people who anyway don't know much about what is
discussed (see 1).
For instance, many Americans think France is a police state, and the
reverse is true. Repeated misconception and prejudice is NOT pushing the
discussion forward.
3/ The person that proposed France should be cut from the Linux community
has a tremendous sense of humour, since the author of ext2fs, Rémy Card,
works in an university in Paris.
4/ POLITICAL SPECULATION / INSULTS / COMPARISONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
KERNEL DEVELOPMENT.
Now let's go on with the REAL business.
Regards,
David Monniaux
Computer Science Laboratory, École Normale Supérieure, Paris, France
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Re: US encryption rules, France and politics [ In reply to ]

mhw at wittsend

Jan 15, 1999, 10:43 AM

Post #2 of 6 (729 views)

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Gregory Maxwell enscribed thusly:
> HA!
> The fear of losing Linux has made the French government change their
> encryption policy!
> http://liberation.com/multi/actu/semaine990111/art990114d.html
Ok... That's interesting...
Not to offend any of the French speaking members of this list, but...
Is there and english translation around for the French impaired
such as myself?
> On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, David Monniaux wrote:
>
> > I think there has been to much talk on this list on the above topics.
> >
> > 1/ Many people who talk about legal issues here simply don't know what
> > they are talking about. Actually quoting from laws and legal texts is much
> > better than just repeating distorted versions of the truth.
> >
> > I am sick and tired of the sci.crypt kind of political discussion.
> >
> > 2/ When talking about national laws in an international newsgroup, the
> > thread usually quickly degenerates into a series of chauvinistic remarks,
> > like "Oh, that's because in country xxx they have a socialist/fascist
> > government, WE in our country wouldn't allow such things to happen.". This
> > is especially true of people who anyway don't know much about what is
> > discussed (see 1).
> >
> > For instance, many Americans think France is a police state, and the
> > reverse is true. Repeated misconception and prejudice is NOT pushing the
> > discussion forward.
> >
> > 3/ The person that proposed France should be cut from the Linux community
> > has a tremendous sense of humour, since the author of ext2fs, Rémy Card,
> > works in an university in Paris.
> >
> > 4/ POLITICAL SPECULATION / INSULTS / COMPARISONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
> > KERNEL DEVELOPMENT.
> >
> > Now let's go on with the REAL business.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > David Monniaux
> > Computer Science Laboratory, École Normale Supérieure, Paris, France
> >
> >
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Re: US encryption rules, France and politics [ In reply to ]

synrg at bgpc

Jan 15, 1999, 11:06 AM

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On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> HA!
>
> The fear of losing Linux has made the French government change their
> encryption policy!
>
> http://liberation.com/multi/actu/semaine990111/art990114d.html
Even mangled through http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/ I was
able to get enough of the gist of this announcement to realize that no
actual policies have changed, but that the government (or one arm of
the government) has announced their *intention* to relax their
policies. We will see what comes of that.
Ben
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Re: US encryption rules, France and politics [ In reply to ]

linker at z

Jan 15, 1999, 11:17 AM

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HA!
The fear of losing Linux has made the French government change their
encryption policy!
http://liberation.com/multi/actu/semaine990111/art990114d.html
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, David Monniaux wrote:
> I think there has been to much talk on this list on the above topics.
>
> 1/ Many people who talk about legal issues here simply don't know what
> they are talking about. Actually quoting from laws and legal texts is much
> better than just repeating distorted versions of the truth.
>
> I am sick and tired of the sci.crypt kind of political discussion.
>
> 2/ When talking about national laws in an international newsgroup, the
> thread usually quickly degenerates into a series of chauvinistic remarks,
> like "Oh, that's because in country xxx they have a socialist/fascist
> government, WE in our country wouldn't allow such things to happen.". This
> is especially true of people who anyway don't know much about what is
> discussed (see 1).
>
> For instance, many Americans think France is a police state, and the
> reverse is true. Repeated misconception and prejudice is NOT pushing the
> discussion forward.
>
> 3/ The person that proposed France should be cut from the Linux community
> has a tremendous sense of humour, since the author of ext2fs, Rémy Card,
> works in an university in Paris.
>
> 4/ POLITICAL SPECULATION / INSULTS / COMPARISONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
> KERNEL DEVELOPMENT.
>
> Now let's go on with the REAL business.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Monniaux
> Computer Science Laboratory, École Normale Supérieure, Paris, France
>
>
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Re: US encryption rules, France and politics [ In reply to ]

thomasz at hostmaster

Jan 16, 1999, 6:27 AM

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> 3/ The person that proposed France should be cut from the Linux community
> has a tremendous sense of humour, since the author of ext2fs, Rémy Card,
> works in an university in Paris.
I am very sorry for all linux developers and also all linux users in France but the french government has officially considered the internet as a threat to the french language and seems to be trying to minimize internet use in France.
> 4/ POLITICAL SPECULATION / INSULTS / COMPARISONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
> KERNEL DEVELOPMENT.
Having the kernel support encryption (even the crippled 56Bit DES) would be appreciated by many users and developers but would render linux illegal because of the french encryption policy which is POLITIC.
Thomas
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Re: US encryption rules, France and politics [ In reply to ]

rhw at BigFoot

Jan 16, 1999, 6:35 AM

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Hi there.
>> The fear of losing Linux has made the French government change
>> their encryption policy!
>> http://liberation.com/multi/actu/semaine990111/art990114d.html
> Ok... That's interesting...
> Not to offend any of the French speaking members of this list,
> but...
> Is there and english translation around for the French impaired
> such as myself?
It's not brilliant, but feeding the above URL into the following one
produces a semi-understandable translation thereof...
Q> http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate
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